Coronavirus Thread III: The Show Must Not Go On (READ OP)

[Gormwood]

Don't lecture me about laziness if you cannot be bothered to watch two minutes of video and only the first 30 seconds. They mislead the world about how bad it is, while they knew how bad it was, which is obvious due to the steps they took.

I must say, while I could have typed up context, there is no reason for such a hostile reaction, unless of course, you have sympathy for the Chinese regime.

OMG! They actually did this before.

Saving face is important to them. Don't forget one of things the bad evil intelligence community does is watch for possible pandemics as they would be a threat to the country. Trump was most likely informed about it and did nothing. Well he did make sure Chinese nationals couldn't fly in. Everybody else in China could however.

Looking for "THEY LIED!" proof is something Trump is desperate to do so he can shift the blame of his flaccid response to the early stages of the pandemic.

He seriously seems capable of literally blaming China for his incompetent response and fairy hand-clapping. After all his enabler McConnell actually blamed the impeachment for Trump's spanktacular response.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

They do, but other scientists can always tell when a virus has been manipulated. Unless China is somehow decades ahead of Western virus research we would already know if it was engineered.

It could also be a natural virus that they were experimenting with on animals in a lab. No genetic manipulation of any sort.

Yeah. Modern concepts of republicanism, and less-modern concepts of communism, are undermined by old Chinese concepts of saving face. Nobody dares blames anyone else. Actually one person in the supposedly P4 virus lab fucked up.

It was China's only P4 lab, there are about 12 such labs in the world. They fucked up. They have a problem admitting it.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Looking for "THEY LIED!" proof is something Trump is desperate to do so he can shift the blame of his flaccid response to the early stages of the pandemic.

I'm not doing this to defend Trump and I am very critical of that man. Also, Trump using it for an excuse does not mean we shouldn't be talking about it. You bringing up that man does not mean I should shut up, so I won't.

[Rojava Free State]

Looking for "THEY LIED!" proof is something Trump is desperate to do so he can shift the blame of his flaccid response to the early stages of the pandemic.

I'm not doing this to defend Trump and I am very critical of that man. Also, Trump using it for an excuse does not mean we shouldn't be talking about it. You bringing up that man does not mean I should shut up, so I won't.

Just because Trump is a satanic jackass does not mean China is exempt of blame. They hid this from us for too long.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm not doing this to defend Trump and I am very critical of that man. Also, Trump using it for an excuse does not mean we shouldn't be talking about it. You bringing up that man does not mean I should shut up, so I won't.

Just because Trump is a satanic jackass does not mean China is exempt of blame. They hid this from us for too long.

Agreed. I hate that a bunch of liberals are arguing with me on this, and are doing so in bad faith as well. Showing hostility to any criticism of China, and putting partisan bickering over needed conversations about China's problems.

I don't approve Trump's handling of the crisis, nor am I defending him. It's sad he even got elected.

[The Black Forrest]

Looking for "THEY LIED!" proof is something Trump is desperate to do so he can shift the blame of his flaccid response to the early stages of the pandemic.

I'm not doing this to defend Trump and I am very critical of that man. Also, Trump using it for an excuse does not mean we shouldn't be talking about it. You bringing up that man does not mean I should shut up, so I won't.

You are bringing up points which ambassadors already know. People who are concerned about things like this; already know. China has lied in the past and will continue in the future.

The only "reward" from this effort will be giving Trump the ability to shift blame.

[The Black Forrest]

Just because Trump is a satanic jackass does not mean China is exempt of blame. They hid this from us for too long.

Agreed. I hate that a bunch of liberals are arguing with me on this, and are doing so in bad faith as well. Showing hostility to any criticism of China, and putting partisan bickering over needed conversations about China's problems.

And ZERO liberals have argued China is blameless.

[Rojava Free State]

Agreed. I hate that a bunch of liberals are arguing with me on this, and are doing so in bad faith as well. Showing hostility to any criticism of China, and putting partisan bickering over needed conversations about China's problems.

And ZERO liberals have argued China is blameless.

Idk, I haven't heard Gauth mention China besides saying what about Trump.

[Galloism]

Agreed. I hate that a bunch of liberals are arguing with me on this, and are doing so in bad faith as well. Showing hostility to any criticism of China, and putting partisan bickering over needed conversations about China's problems.

And ZERO liberals have argued China is blameless.

There is a strange and disturbing trend of whataboutism any time you bring new news about the depth of China’s fuck up though.

Kind of like how Trump supporters still do with Clinton and may do for centuries.

The fact that China lied and people died does not stand in opposition to the fact that Trump lied and people died.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'm not doing this to defend Trump and I am very critical of that man. Also, Trump using it for an excuse does not mean we shouldn't be talking about it. You bringing up that man does not mean I should shut up, so I won't.

You are bringing up points which ambassadors already know. People who are concerned about things like this; already know. China has lied in the past and will continue in the future.

The only "reward" from this effort will be giving Trump the ability to shift blame.

I'm making sure people remember that China dropped the ball too, as they have a great propaganda machine that can make many forget that. You are more than capable to counter Trump's stupidity even when I highlight China's problems, and I doubt I'm creating more Trump supporters by posting. Nothing I posted excuses Trump's handling of the crisis. The ability to counter Trump's attempt to shift all blame away from himself is not being stifled by my posting.

[The Black Forrest]

And ZERO liberals have argued China is blameless.

Idk, I haven't heard Gauth mention China besides saying what about Trump.

Hmmm? I doubt Gauth is arguing China can't be blamed. He tends to focus on the Trump connection.

For example; I doubt you will see any serious punishment since China gave the Trump family a great deal of money with those patents trade marks. I am sure there are a couple hotels as well.

Anyway; finding blame at this juncture shouldn't be the focus.

[Rojava Free State]

And ZERO liberals have argued China is blameless.

There is a strange and disturbing trend of whataboutism any time you bring new news about the depth of China’s fuck up though.

Kind of like how Trump supporters still do with Clinton and may do for centuries.

The fact that China lied and people died does not stand in opposition to the fact that Trump lied and people died.

Yeah I get annoyed when I point out Trump's flaws and get hit with "what about hillary?" Based on the person you ask, I'm either a MAGA extremist or a Clintonite, since I've said alot about the both of them.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Miserable whining about how China is exporting less PPE. Yes that's only the first thirty seconds.

If you have something to say, then say it. Lazy linking will not make any points for you.

Don't lecture me about laziness if you cannot be bothered to watch two minutes of video

You dropped a video with no comment. That right there is lazy.

and only the first 30 seconds.

I spent 30 seconds, it's a lot more than you spent linking to the video.

They mislead the world about how bad it is, while they knew how bad it was, which is obvious due to the steps they took.

I must say, while I could have typed up context, there is no reason for such a hostile reaction, unless of course, you have sympathy for the Chinese regime.

Oh what the fuck ever. I spent 30 seconds watching your video, and you spend 30 seconds reacting to my reaction. But pitifully little of that time did you spend propounding your views.

This is got from you:

They mislead the world about how bad it is, while they knew how bad it was, which is obvious due to the steps they took.

"They" being presumably China.

Yes, China misled the world about how bad covid was. No, they'd didn't actually know how bad it was (provincial officials lied to them), and some nonsense about the steps they took.

It really should not be necessary for you and I to waste so many words over some dumb youtube video. If it's necessary to make a point then link to sources. If you have nothing to say, don't link to sources. In fact don't say anything.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

There is a strange and disturbing trend of whataboutism any time you bring new news about the depth of China’s fuck up though.

Exactly.

[Rojava Free State]

Idk, I haven't heard Gauth mention China besides saying what about Trump.

Hmmm? I doubt Gauth is arguing China can't be blamed. He tends to focus on the Trump connection.

For example; I doubt you will see any serious punishment since China gave the Trump family a great deal of money with those patents trade marks. I am sure there are a couple hotels as well.

Anyway; finding blame at this juncture shouldn't be the focus.

I don't doubt that Trump won't really punish China. And if Gauth focuses entirely on trump and never talks about China, he kinda is defending the CCP, albeit passively and not actively.

[The Black Forrest]

And ZERO liberals have argued China is blameless.

There is a strange and disturbing trend of whataboutism any time you bring new news about the depth of China’s fuck up though.

Kind of like how Trump supporters still do with Clinton and may do for centuries.

The fact that China lied and people died does not stand in opposition to the fact that Trump lied and people died.

"whataboutism" what do you mean?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Oh what the fuck ever.

My reaction to your fucking posts, How much is the 50 cent army paying you? Think I'm lazy, then don't fucking respond.

[Purpelia]

Hmmm? I doubt Gauth is arguing China can't be blamed. He tends to focus on the Trump connection.

For example; I doubt you will see any serious punishment since China gave the Trump family a great deal of money with those patents trade marks. I am sure there are a couple hotels as well.

Anyway; finding blame at this juncture shouldn't be the focus.

I don't doubt that Trump won't really punish China. And if Gauth focuses entirely on trump and never talks about China, he kinda is defending the CCP, albeit passively and not actively.

Out of curiosity just what exactly can he do other than declare war or unilaterally declare illegal sanctions? As far as I am aware there is no international law dictating the proper response for an epidemic outbreak that he can call on. So all he could do is act out like a petulant child imposing measures which would frankly make your country look even more like a global d*** than it already is.

And that's another thing. I know you americans think that acting out like a scorned baby and deciding you get to chose right from wrong and "punish" those that disagree makes you look strong. But in reality it just makes you look like a bully. Which is why nobody really wants to be friends with you. Even the rest of OTAN is only really in it to mooch off your military spending.

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmm? I doubt Gauth is arguing China can't be blamed. He tends to focus on the Trump connection.

For example; I doubt you will see any serious punishment since China gave the Trump family a great deal of money with those patents trade marks. I am sure there are a couple hotels as well.

Anyway; finding blame at this juncture shouldn't be the focus.

I don't doubt that Trump won't really punish China. And if Gauth focuses entirely on trump and never talks about China, he kinda is defending the CCP, albeit passively and not actively.

Hmmm? I guess that question should be directed at him rather then assuming. Even though I assumed with the trump comment

[-Astoria]

It came from that lab. China won't admit it

Has there been any evidence to prove so?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And ZERO liberals have argued China is blameless.

There is a strange and disturbing trend of whataboutism any time you bring new news about the depth of China’s fuck up though.

Kind of like how Trump supporters still do with Clinton and may do for centuries.

The fact that China lied and people died does not stand in opposition to the fact that Trump lied and people died.

Disturbing? It's realpolitik.

You can't do a damn thing about Xi. But you can do something about Trump.

Or here in Australia, I might vote Liberal for the first time in my life. Very pleased with out PM's management, not impressed at all by the leader of the opposition, Albanese.

[Galloism]

There is a strange and disturbing trend of whataboutism any time you bring new news about the depth of China’s fuck up though.

Kind of like how Trump supporters still do with Clinton and may do for centuries.

The fact that China lied and people died does not stand in opposition to the fact that Trump lied and people died.

"whataboutism" what do you mean?

Give you a good example.

I linked to a news article detailing the five eyes intelligence dossier and its findings about truly incredible levels of CCP fuckery.

I got linked back a ccp propaganda video poking fun at Donald trump being an idiot. Which we all knew.

[Rojava Free State]

I don't doubt that Trump won't really punish China. And if Gauth focuses entirely on trump and never talks about China, he kinda is defending the CCP, albeit passively and not actively.

Out of curiosity just what exactly can he do other than declare war or unilaterally declare illegal sanctions? As far as I am aware there is no international law dictating the proper response for an epidemic outbreak that he can call on. So all he could do is act out like a petulant child imposing measures which would frankly make your country look even more like a global d*** than it already is.

And that's another thing. I know you americans think that acting out like a scorned baby and deciding you get to chose right from wrong and "punish" those that disagree makes you look strong. But in reality it just makes you look like a bully. Which is why nobody really wants to be friends with you. Even the rest of OTAN is only really in it to mooch off your military spending.

What can we do? We can definitely end our relations with China altogether. That would be a great first step. And while I know you aren't fond of America, right now thanks to China's missteps, thousands of people worldwide are dead. It ain't just us. People in your country are also dead. So you can either keep saying "what about america" or you can hold china accountable.

They can't survive without foreign trade. But please, enjoy being friends with china to scorn america in an act of vengeance for the horrible things the US did to mankind. Remember to dig two graves.

[The Black Forrest]

It came from that lab. China won't admit it

Has there been any evidence to prove so?

I think it was fox who reported that one(I am not sure) Trump has mentioned it as well.

This guy offers arguments for it not having escaped from a lab.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/coronaviru ... 5074e53042

[Nobel Hobos 2]

It came from that lab. China won't admit it

Has there been any evidence to prove so?

No proof, no. But my nation's leader is blowing pretty hard, that to me says he has information from Intelligence.