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Postby Bombadil » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:18 pm

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Well exactly. I disagree with the Swedish approach, but until it's all over I can't prove it's any worse.

Neither the authoritarian/progressive nor the male-leader/female-leader "intuitions" you have can be demonstrated. At this stage: information is too incomplete. We can pick out examples of countries screwing up (arresting people for wearing masks for instance), and we can point to great results by early intervention (Taiwan) but the vast majority of countries aren't obviously screwing up also never had the option of early intervention. They only have different approaches, and if only it was that simple. They also have different strengths (population that likes to follow rules for instance) or different weaknesses (dense cities for instance). They're also not at the same stage.

When it's all over there will be a wealth of information about countries and about leaders. But trying for it now is likely to just reinforce hunches and listen for music in noise.

Thank you. You said that better than I could.


I don't disagree it's practically impossible to really determine right now but there's no doubt Mette Frederiksen, Tsai Ing-wen and Jacinda Arden have been stand outs in terms of their response, both in speed of response, manner of maintaining clear and consistent information and managing the threat well. There is also little doubt that Bolsonaro, Duterte, Xi, Putin and, dare I say, Trump have been stand outs for inconsistency, unclear messaging if not downright bullshit.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:18 pm

Galloism wrote:I just realized Táiwān has both a head of state and head of government, and they’re two separate people.

That’s confusing. I retract my earlier correction, and correct my correction.


It's annoying when countries do that. Technically the Head of State in Australia is Queen Elizabeth II. We don't like to talk about it.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:20 pm

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Australian rePublic wrote:"And he is gay"- and I should care, because?


You have to read Galloism carefully, or he'll trick you into seeing things that are not there. :p

We were talking about whether male or female leaders are handling the virus better. Gallo is for the null hypothesis.

ScoMo and Adern are handling it about as well as each other. Any difference would be less than the differences between Australia and NZ.

In a democracy, leaders have so little individual power that the rest of the MPs hold all the cars. If you want to see who's really doing power, you have to compare the of male MPs to their female counterparts

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Australian rePublic wrote:I don't know whether or not he's gay. I never said that I don't know. What I did say is that I don't care.

Weird, since you brought it up. But ok.

I didn't. I was replying to Galloism
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:21 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Galloism wrote:I just realized Táiwān has both a head of state and head of government, and they’re two separate people.

That’s confusing. I retract my earlier correction, and correct my correction.


It's annoying when countries do that. Technically the Head of State in Australia is Queen Elizabeth II. We don't like to talk about it.


India has one as well, not even sure Indians know who it is.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:22 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Galloism wrote:I just realized Táiwān has both a head of state and head of government, and they’re two separate people.

That’s confusing. I retract my earlier correction, and correct my correction.


It's annoying when countries do that. Technically the Head of State in Australia is Queen Elizabeth II. We don't like to talk about it.

I actually like the fact that the queen's the head of state. If it all goes to shit in Canberra, we have someone in London who's literarly been taught to rule from birth to look after us. And being located in London, there's less chance of a localised conflict of interests.

That, and, if ain't broke, don't fix. I also reacon William will make an excellent king, and Lizzie's been pretty good, I guess
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:23 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
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You have to read Galloism carefully, or he'll trick you into seeing things that are not there. :p

We were talking about whether male or female leaders are handling the virus better. Gallo is for the null hypothesis.

ScoMo and Adern are handling it about as well as each other. Any difference would be less than the differences between Australia and NZ.

In a democracy, leaders have so little individual power that the rest of the MPs hold all the cars. If you want to see who's really doing power, you have to compare the of male MPs to their female counterparts


In a parliamentary democracy, leaders don't have much individual power. In a presidential democracy like France or the US, they do.

I prefer the parliamentary way. Trump wouldn't have lasted a year in leadership, in fact he never would have got the leadership. He'd be Barnaby Joyce.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:25 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
You have to read Galloism carefully, or he'll trick you into seeing things that are not there. :p

We were talking about whether male or female leaders are handling the virus better. Gallo is for the null hypothesis.

ScoMo and Adern are handling it about as well as each other. Any difference would be less than the differences between Australia and NZ.

In a democracy, leaders have so little individual power that the rest of the MPs hold all the cars. If you want to see who's really doing power, you have to compare the of male MPs to their female counterparts

Galloism wrote:Weird, since you brought it up. But ok.

I didn't. I was replying to Galloism

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:28 pm

Galloism wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:In a democracy, leaders have so little individual power that the rest of the MPs hold all the cars. If you want to see who's really doing power, you have to compare the of male MPs to their female counterparts


I didn't. I was replying to Galloism

I think you might have a smudge on your monitor. Might want to get a cloth and clean it off. If it doesn’t come off really easy, a little isopropyl alcohol on the cloth can loosen it right up.


Pretty sure bleach or just really strong light works better.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:29 pm

Australian rePublic wrote:
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It's annoying when countries do that. Technically the Head of State in Australia is Queen Elizabeth II. We don't like to talk about it.

I actually like the fact that the queen's the head of state. If it all goes to shit in Canberra, we have someone in London who's literarly been taught to rule from birth to look after us. And being located in London, there's less chance of a localised conflict of interests.

That, and, if ain't broke, don't fix. I also reacon William will make an excellent king, and Lizzie's been pretty good, I guess


So you're a monarchist, I'm not surprised.

I am a republican, but I wasn't having anything to do with the Strong President model the republican convention put up. Nonono, I'd rather keep the Queen, than have a President like France or the US does. A significantly powerful individual which
parliament can't remove, just a terrible idea.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:29 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Galloism wrote:I think you might have a smudge on your monitor. Might want to get a cloth and clean it off. If it doesn’t come off really easy, a little isopropyl alcohol on the cloth can loosen it right up.


Pretty sure bleach or just really strong light works better.

If his monitor has coronavirus.
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Postby -Ebola- » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:48 pm

Galloism wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Pretty sure bleach or just really strong light works better.

If his monitor has coronavirus.


Better get it tested. There are viruses on the internet. His computer could be infected.
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Postby Diahon » Fri May 01, 2020 12:09 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:I actually like the fact that the queen's the head of state. If it all goes to shit in Canberra, we have someone in London who's literarly been taught to rule from birth to look after us. And being located in London, there's less chance of a localised conflict of interests.

That, and, if ain't broke, don't fix. I also reacon William will make an excellent king, and Lizzie's been pretty good, I guess


So you're a monarchist, I'm not surprised.

I am a republican, but I wasn't having anything to do with the Strong President model the republican convention put up. Nonono, I'd rather keep the Queen, than have a President like France or the US does. A significantly powerful individual which
parliament can't remove, just a terrible idea.


isn't the queen a figurehead down under?

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Postby -Astoria » Fri May 01, 2020 12:14 am

About a week or so ago, we were at nearly 1,000 cases with 25 or so dead.

Now we're just under the 2,000 mark with double the amount dead.

And the best part? The lockdown's been more or less lifted for most stateswell, except mine & the capital.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri May 01, 2020 12:27 am

Diahon wrote:
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So you're a monarchist, I'm not surprised.

I am a republican, but I wasn't having anything to do with the Strong President model the republican convention put up. Nonono, I'd rather keep the Queen, than have a President like France or the US does. A significantly powerful individual which
parliament can't remove, just a terrible idea.


isn't the queen a figurehead down under?


IShort answer, no. The Queen has significant powers which she personally chooses not to exercise.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri May 01, 2020 12:30 am

-Astoria wrote:About a week or so ago, we were at nearly 1,000 cases with 25 or so dead.

Now we're just under the 2,000 mark with double the amount dead.

And the best part? The lockdown's been more or less lifted for most stateswell, except mine & the capital.


Doubling every seven days is not terrible. It's not flattening the curve though.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri May 01, 2020 12:55 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Diahon wrote:
isn't the queen a figurehead down under?


IShort answer, no. The Queen has significant powers which she personally chooses not to exercise.

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Postby -Astoria » Fri May 01, 2020 1:02 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Doubling every seven days is not terrible.

Something something different countries & rate of healthcare.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri May 01, 2020 1:50 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
-Astoria wrote:About a week or so ago, we were at nearly 1,000 cases with 25 or so dead.

Now we're just under the 2,000 mark with double the amount dead.

And the best part? The lockdown's been more or less lifted for most stateswell, except mine & the capital.


Doubling every seven days is not terrible. It's not flattening the curve though.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri May 01, 2020 1:55 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
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IShort answer, no. The Queen has significant powers which she personally chooses not to exercise.

Australia Act


The Australia Act 1986 ended the power of the UK Parliament to legislate in/for Australia.

Tell me, can the PM appoint a Governor General of their own choosing, without consent of the Queen?

And doesn't the Governor General still have significant powers in Australia?

The Queen has significant powers. Via the Governor General.
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Rojava Free State wrote:
Senkaku wrote:imagining the freakout that law enforcement would have if they were Black Panthers or something protesting an issue that suburban white people didn't give a fuck abt lol


I doubt the police are gonna let these guys walk away and I also doubt they would be running in guns blazing if it was the panthers. The panthers once took over the statehouse in Cali btw and police didn't charge in because they would risk shooting the senators.

These guys aren't suburban. As someone who lives right at the outskirts of a place full of suburban white people, none of them would have the insanity to do this. These dudes clearly live in trailers.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri May 01, 2020 2:10 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Doubling every seven days is not terrible. It's not flattening the curve though.


“Flattening the curve” and “CoVID19” are expressions I’m truly looking forward to never see again.


There's probably a browser plug-in for that. ;)

Last week I took a day off from covid. No internet, no television or radio. It took half a day to stop wanting "updates" but after that was a good day.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Doubling every seven days is not terrible. It's not flattening the curve though.


“Flattening the curve” and “CoVID19” are expressions I’m truly looking forward to never see again.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri May 01, 2020 2:56 am

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I doubt the police are gonna let these guys walk away and I also doubt they would be running in guns blazing if it was the panthers. The panthers once took over the statehouse in Cali btw and police didn't charge in because they would risk shooting the senators.

These guys aren't suburban. As someone who lives right at the outskirts of a place full of suburban white people, none of them would have the insanity to do this. These dudes clearly live in trailers.

(Narrator: The police did indeed let them walk away)


Maybe they should try Occupying next time. The objective IS to get pepper-sprayed, roughed-up and arrested, right?

Hell they could bring their trailers, set a whole new standard of Occupying. Look, look, cops destroyed my house.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri May 01, 2020 3:09 am

Galloism wrote:
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Singapore screwed up because they house migrant workers in large dormitories and basically ignored them. They also didn't bother wearing masks.

Taiwan and HK took to wearing masks immediately. Taiwan is helped by being about the largest manufacturer's of masks and HK simply ignored their government who said they weren't necessary. Taiwan closed its borders to China immediately and the HK medical community had to go on strike to force the HK government to do the same.

Actually Macau should get credit for similar.

Look at Brazil, Russia, China, USA.. lol.. in Uzbekistan they went so far in their denial they arrested anyone wearing a mask.. though god knows we'll never know how they're coping.

Actually look at progressive countries with female leaders and you're pretty much looking at well-managed responses.

EDIT: Not Uzbekistan, one of the Stans though.

I’m not sure where the sexist assumption comes in or what data it’s based on- the country with the highest death rate per capita is actually Belgium, which has a female PM (665 per m).

Real clear politics has a breakdown by country, but I’d have to go through one by one to see who has male/female leaders, other than ones I know like France, U.K., and us.

Also Montserrat is listed as a country, and it most definitely is not, along with having the population of a slightly overbooked cruise ship.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/


Belgiums numbers are complete bollocks since they're doing this weird thing where they're counting all deaths as covid deaths on the rational that if it wasn't for the disease then people would be getting better healthcare and more would have survived.

Hence the extreme deaths per million.

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