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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun May 03, 2020 11:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:Maybe.

That’s ridiculous.Clearly no country is going to adopt the Swedish model going forward and is just going to keep restricting people


Well? Noway and Finland have 1/4 of the rates of Sweden. What would that gain? If the US has responded right away? Our numbers would be less then they are now.
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Postby Andsed » Sun May 03, 2020 11:42 am

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Andsed wrote:Well then they can cut some wages and lay off some people. If we want to reopen restrictions are going to be needed for a time. No real way around that.

And that won’t give them enough money to pay their rent or buy supplies

As Ifreann commented if their not operating at full capacity then they need less supplies and can then cutdown on what their consuming to save money. Like it or not Lumen any kind of reopening is going to need some restrictions. I don't get why you seem so opposed to that. It's better for the economy then no reopening.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 03, 2020 11:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And that won’t give them enough money to pay their rent or buy supplies

If they're only operating at 25% capacity then they only need ~25% of their usual stock.

And they won’t make enough money to pay their bills

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Postby Andsed » Sun May 03, 2020 11:53 am

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Ifreann wrote:If they're only operating at 25% capacity then they only need ~25% of their usual stock.

And they won’t make enough money to pay their bills

Why would they not be able to? If their operating at a smaller capacity then they don't need to buy as many things or have as much staff. I do not see a reason on why they would not be able to afford to stay in businesses.
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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 03, 2020 11:54 am

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San Lumen wrote:And they won’t make enough money to pay their bills

Why would they not be able to? If their operating at a smaller capacity then they don't need to buy as many things or have as much staff. I do not see a reason on why they would not be able to afford to stay in businesses.


There's also a simple thing a government can do:
- Pay their bills, at least enough so that they can remain in business at reduced capacity.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 03, 2020 11:54 am

Andsed wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And they won’t make enough money to pay their bills

Why would they not be able to? If their operating at a smaller capacity then they don't need to buy as many things or have as much staff. I do not see a reason on why they would not be able to afford to stay in businesses.

You obviously don’t own a restaurant

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 03, 2020 11:57 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If they're only operating at 25% capacity then they only need ~25% of their usual stock.

And they won’t make enough money to pay their bills


That's where the money printer comes in handy.
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Postby Andsed » Sun May 03, 2020 11:58 am

San Lumen wrote:
Andsed wrote:Why would they not be able to? If their operating at a smaller capacity then they don't need to buy as many things or have as much staff. I do not see a reason on why they would not be able to afford to stay in businesses.

You obviously don’t own a restaurant

That is not an argument. If a restaurant is operating at a smaller capacity and thus is buying less things and paying fewer people, why can't it afford to stay in businesses?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 03, 2020 11:59 am

Estanglia wrote:
Andsed wrote:Why would they not be able to? If their operating at a smaller capacity then they don't need to buy as many things or have as much staff. I do not see a reason on why they would not be able to afford to stay in businesses.


There's also a simple thing a government can do:
- Pay their bills, at least enough so that they can remain in business at reduced capacity.

How about the government pay everyone’s bills going forward? No need for income tax anymore since inflation isn’t a problem

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 03, 2020 12:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
There's also a simple thing a government can do:
- Pay their bills, at least enough so that they can remain in business at reduced capacity.

How about the government pay everyone’s bills going forward? No need for income tax anymore since inflation isn’t a problem

Nobody is saying that Lumen
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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 03, 2020 12:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
There's also a simple thing a government can do:
- Pay their bills, at least enough so that they can remain in business at reduced capacity.

How about the government pay everyone’s bills going forward? No need for income tax anymore since inflation isn’t a problem


Why not stick to the stuff I said, rather than bringing up stuff I haven't and won't advocate for?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 03, 2020 12:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
There's also a simple thing a government can do:
- Pay their bills, at least enough so that they can remain in business at reduced capacity.

How about the government pay everyone’s bills going forward? No need for income tax anymore since inflation isn’t a problem


As has been shown repeatedly at this point you do not understand inflation well enough to comment on it.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun May 03, 2020 12:01 pm

Andsed wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You obviously don’t own a restaurant

That is not an argument. If a restaurant is operating at a smaller capacity and thus is buying less things and paying fewer people, why can't it afford to stay in businesses?

Maintenance and rental costs haven't gone down.
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Postby Andsed » Sun May 03, 2020 12:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Estanglia wrote:
There's also a simple thing a government can do:
- Pay their bills, at least enough so that they can remain in business at reduced capacity.

How about the government pay everyone’s bills going forward? No need for income tax anymore since inflation isn’t a problem

Lumen why is it that you always jump to extreme strawmans instead of addressing what were actually saying?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun May 03, 2020 12:02 pm

Andsed wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You obviously don’t own a restaurant

That is not an argument. If a restaurant is operating at a smaller capacity and thus is buying less things and paying fewer people, why can't it afford to stay in businesses?


Some business costs are static. Rent, insurance, business rates, power bills, etc. Some of these can be helped by government intervention but not all.

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Postby Andsed » Sun May 03, 2020 12:03 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Andsed wrote:That is not an argument. If a restaurant is operating at a smaller capacity and thus is buying less things and paying fewer people, why can't it afford to stay in businesses?


Some business costs are static. Rent, insurance, business rates, power bills, etc. Some of these can be helped by government intervention but not all.

True. Government interventions and bailouts are essential.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sun May 03, 2020 12:03 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Andsed wrote:That is not an argument. If a restaurant is operating at a smaller capacity and thus is buying less things and paying fewer people, why can't it afford to stay in businesses?


Some business costs are static. Rent, insurance, business rates, power bills, etc. Some of these can be helped by government intervention but not all.

And if the large-scale corporate landlords go bust, it will be bad for a lot of businesses.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 03, 2020 12:05 pm

Andsed wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Some business costs are static. Rent, insurance, business rates, power bills, etc. Some of these can be helped by government intervention but not all.

True. Government interventions and bailouts are essential.

And where is all the money going to come from?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun May 03, 2020 12:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Andsed wrote:True. Government interventions and bailouts are essential.

And where is all the money going to come from?


Money machine go brrrr.

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Postby Zeritae » Sun May 03, 2020 12:07 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And where is all the money going to come from?


Money machine go brrrr.

So that's what that sound was. (502!)
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Postby Estanglia » Sun May 03, 2020 12:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Andsed wrote:True. Government interventions and bailouts are essential.

And where is all the money going to come from?


There's that giant, bloated defence budget that we could take some money from. Oh, and the billionaires and millionaires, they've got a fuckton of money lying around that they don't need.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun May 03, 2020 12:09 pm

When do we get 4th thread.
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Postby Zeritae » Sun May 03, 2020 12:11 pm

Greed and Death wrote:When do we get 4th thread.

Aren't you the one that reported the second thread?
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Postby Valentian Elysium » Sun May 03, 2020 12:11 pm

Greed and Death wrote:When do we get 4th thread.

It's already here
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Postby UniversalCommons » Sun May 03, 2020 12:17 pm

Well, they could take some of the defense money and have the national guard disinfect the cities and provide some more relief for some of the cities. Also, bring some of the medical staff out of the VA to help with the pandemic. It could be a dry run for germ warfare. Practice for when someone releases a more deadly plague.

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