Coronavirus Thread III: The Show Must Not Go On (READ OP)

[San Lumen]

And you would be removed from office or voted out in a landslide after you destroyed your state or countries economy and bankrupted nearly every business and your state or country, destroyed everyone’s savings and overall made the Great Depression look prosperous. The effects of such an idea are simply not worth the cost.

Years from now you’d be asked: what did it cost? And your response? Everything

The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

And besides, that wouldn't make me the worst Alabama governor ever. George Wallace still existed.

I well aware of that but some seem to think a two year shutdown is feasible

But I fear that at some point it may be our only choice. But even then it wouldn't matter because: if we keep everything shut down people will starve and die, but if we open everything up people will get the virus and die. We're stuck.

South Korea and Taiwan are proof that a lockdown is only necessary when you have no alternatives. Widespread testing could keep this disease down.

Assuming we had the ability and wherewithal to do widespread testing. Just because two countries can do it doesn't mean every country can.

Your solution is totally unfeasible. We’d be better off ending all restrictions tomorrow not that I am calling for that. The Economic damage would not worth it and at some point people would stop listening

[Diahon]

7. Elect people, not dicks in human form who would sooner sacrifice you for their fucking stock portfolios than fucking give a shit about, well, other people. No amount of laws, precautions, or preparations can shield the vulnerable from the worst if those in charge of preparing and putting those them in force are. Fucking. DICKS. THAT. SHOULD. NEVER. EVER. FUCKING. EVER. TAKE. POWER.

You're more likely to find a jabberwocky in a rainforest in the Sahara than find an official who isn't a dick in human form in the US, I'm afraid.

I refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that out of the more than three hundred million Americans there now are in the United States, there are not a few ten thousand who can steer the world's lynchpin in a more humane direction. I refuse. I utterly refuse.

But speaking of dicks, what the actual fuck?

As states begin to reopen their economies after weeks of stay-at-home orders, some are warning employees that they will lose unemployment benefits if they refuse to return to their jobs, according to The Hill — even if they fear contracting the coronavirus.

In Iowa, Governor Kim Reynolds (R) said failing to return to work would be considered a “voluntary quit,” which would terminate an employee’s benefits.

"If you're an employer and you offer to bring your employee back to work and they decide not to, that's a voluntary quit," Reynolds said Friday. "Therefore, they would not be eligible for the unemployment money."

The governor also said employers should file a report with Iowa Workforce Development if they encounter workers who refuse to come back to their jobs.

[Torisakia]

You're more likely to find a jabberwocky in a rainforest in the Sahara than find an official who isn't a dick in human form in the US, I'm afraid.

I refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that out of the more than three hundred million Americans there now are in the United States, there are not a few ten thousand who can steer the world's lynchpin in a more humane direction. I refuse. I utterly refuse.

Well then I really don't know what to tell you other than prepare to be disappointed.

[Bombadil]

I refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that out of the more than three hundred million Americans there now are in the United States, there are not a few ten thousand who can steer the world's lynchpin in a more humane direction. I refuse. I utterly refuse.

Well then I really don't know what to tell you other than prepare to be disappointed.

Unfortunately it requires the people, again HK is a good example in this regard. Given my list.. the government said only the sick should wear masks but everyone ignored them. The medical community actually had to go on strike to force the government to close borders with China and enact quarantine rules. Everyone essentially worked from home where possible without any government edict. Events essentially cancelled themselves.

There wasn't even any real social distancing until a bunch of international school kids returned and started partying in LKF leading to an outbreak.

HK is odd because the people have simply stopped listening to the government and taken things into their own hands.

Of course there's plenty of far better and more qualified people than Trump for god's sake, but it really takes the people to look out for themselves as opposed to indulging in petty, divisive, partisan one-upmanship and spending most of the time judging what Meghan Markle is wearing on any particular day.

[Torisakia]

Well then I really don't know what to tell you other than prepare to be disappointed.

Unfortunately it requires the people, again HK is a good example in this regard. Given my list.. the government said only the sick should wear masks but everyone ignored them. The medical community actually had to go on strike to force the government to close borders with China and enact quarantine rules. Everyone essentially worked from home where possible without any government edict. Events essentially cancelled themselves.

There wasn't even any real social distancing until a bunch of international school kids returned and started partying in LKF leading to an outbreak.

HK is odd because the people have simply stopped listening to the government and taken things into their own hands.

Of course there's plenty of far better and more qualified people than Trump for god's sake, but it really takes the people to look out for themselves as opposed to indulging in petty, divisive, partisan one-upmanship and spending most of the time judging what Meghan Markle is wearing on any particular day.

It's my belief that elected officials are a reflection of the people who elected them. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens then you're going to have selfish, ignorant leaders. So it's not the officials themselves, it's the people.

[Rojava Free State]

You're more likely to find a jabberwocky in a rainforest in the Sahara than find an official who isn't a dick in human form in the US, I'm afraid.

I refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe that out of the more than three hundred million Americans there now are in the United States, there are not a few ten thousand who can steer the world's lynchpin in a more humane direction. I refuse. I utterly refuse.

But speaking of dicks, what the actual fuck?

As states begin to reopen their economies after weeks of stay-at-home orders, some are warning employees that they will lose unemployment benefits if they refuse to return to their jobs, according to The Hill — even if they fear contracting the coronavirus.

In Iowa, Governor Kim Reynolds (R) said failing to return to work would be considered a “voluntary quit,” which would terminate an employee’s benefits.

"If you're an employer and you offer to bring your employee back to work and they decide not to, that's a voluntary quit," Reynolds said Friday. "Therefore, they would not be eligible for the unemployment money."

The governor also said employers should file a report with Iowa Workforce Development if they encounter workers who refuse to come back to their jobs.

Oh Diahon, looks like that filipino idealism about America is kicking in again. My girlfriend Cecilia shared your idealism about her adopted homeland. Things are worse here than you can even imagine. My girlfriend thought everyone here was rich and pretty and friendly and instead she found a shithole full of poor, ugly and hostile idiots. Poor thing was so disillusioned.

Our country has failed us time and time again and it's failing us now.

[Aureumterra]

Is the coronavirus outbreak China's Chernobyl?

[Rojava Free State]

Is the coronavirus outbreak China's Chernobyl?

Chernobyl didn't affect the whole world the way this did.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Pence leads the US government’s coronavirus taskforce, but his staff have claimed he does not need to wear the protective covering because he is regularly tested for the coronavirus.

B..b..but testing doesn't make you immune you know.. you do know don't you?

1. That's probably not true. Pence is probably just praying a lot.
2. If it is true, it's disgusting. Nanatsu who works in a hospital can't get a test, but Pence gets them regularly?

[Rojava Free State]

Pence leads the US government’s coronavirus taskforce, but his staff have claimed he does not need to wear the protective covering because he is regularly tested for the coronavirus.

B..b..but testing doesn't make you immune you know.. you do know don't you?

1. That's probably not true. Pence is probably just praying a lot.
2. If it is true, it's disgusting. Nanatsu who works in a hospital can't get a test, but Pence gets them regularly?

This disaster is happening because of the kind of society we live in. Many of the people who died were killed due to how little the Trump administration cared for their wellbeing.

[Torisakia]

1. That's probably not true. Pence is probably just praying a lot.
2. If it is true, it's disgusting. Nanatsu who works in a hospital can't get a test, but Pence gets them regularly?

This disaster is happening because of the kind of society we live in. Many of the people who died were killed due to how little the Trump administration cared for their wellbeing.

You'll come to realize that the US government doesn't really care about the well-being of its people if they aren't bringing them money.

[Rojava Free State]

This disaster is happening because of the kind of society we live in. Many of the people who died were killed due to how little the Trump administration cared for their wellbeing.

You'll come to realize that the US government doesn't really care about the well-being of its people if they aren't bringing them money.

I already knew that, and I guarentee you that if rich people were completely immune to COVID, there's a good chance they would abandon us to die.

Consider for a second that thousands die a day from starvation across the global south. I hear next to nothing about that except for when Bono does a save the children commercial, but COVID, now that's a problem we all gotta worry about.

[San Lumen]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... scientists

Some scientists are warning this disease could become endemic which would mean all current measures and social distancing is utterly pointless

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Potentially 33 or more different strains might explain varying death rate - https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... a-11976380

The deadliest mutations in the patients in the study had also been found in most patients across Europe, the South China Morning Post reported.
Meanwhile, the milder strains were the predominant types found in parts of the United States, such as Washington state, the newspaper said.

Worrying thought. What if they further diverge, and two different cures are needed? Or worse, a "third world" strain develops which neither Europe nor the US bother to make a cure for?

[Diahon]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/virus-is-here-to-stay-and-likely-seasonal-say-china-scientists

Some scientists are warning this disease could become endemic which would mean all current measures and social distancing is utterly pointless

Social distancing? Nah -- that will become compulsory, as will masks by the tens of billions, for as long as this persists. Lockdown not so much.

[Bombadil]

Potentially 33 or more different strains might explain varying death rate - https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... a-11976380

The deadliest mutations in the patients in the study had also been found in most patients across Europe, the South China Morning Post reported.
Meanwhile, the milder strains were the predominant types found in parts of the United States, such as Washington state, the newspaper said.

Worrying thought. What if they further diverge, and two different cures are needed? Or worse, a "third world" strain develops which neither Europe nor the US bother to make a cure for?

Well.. that's the point of what they're saying, that the wide variations needs to be taken into account in searching for any vaccine.

[Torisakia]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/virus-is-here-to-stay-and-likely-seasonal-say-china-scientists

Some scientists are warning this disease could become endemic which would mean all current measures and social distancing is utterly pointless

So am I better off killing myself in this case, since the countermeasures in place now won't save me? Asking for a friend.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/virus-is-here-to-stay-and-likely-seasonal-say-china-scientists

Some scientists are warning this disease could become endemic which would mean all current measures and social distancing is utterly pointless

The article doesn't say that. You're twisting it to support your agenda.

Lives have already been saved by lockdown, they're people who would have caught the disease (too many of them at once) and without medical treatment would have died. That they will still catch it (but later) means they remain alive and will probably survive when they do catch it.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/virus-is-here-to-stay-and-likely-seasonal-say-china-scientists

Some scientists are warning this disease could become endemic which would mean all current measures and social distancing is utterly pointless

So am I better off killing myself in this case, since the countermeasures in place now won't save me? Asking for a friend.

The countermeasures in place may have ALREADY saved you.

[Shanzie]

As someone suffering from Covid-19, Please, I beg you, do not even think about opening the economy until the cases are back in containment phase. If i had underlying conditions, I would have died on Sunday Night. But steroids and quick ER action saved me. Please please please stop thinking about money and think about lives. Deaths are undercounted, cases are under counted. Please think about your fellow humans, America (I know this is an international thread, but I'm also aware that many americans are here.).

[Diahon]

Potentially 33 or more different strains might explain varying death rate - https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... a-11976380

The deadliest mutations in the patients in the study had also been found in most patients across Europe, the South China Morning Post reported.
Meanwhile, the milder strains were the predominant types found in parts of the United States, such as Washington state, the newspaper said.

Worrying thought. What if they further diverge, and two different cures are needed? Or worse, a "third world" strain develops which neither Europe nor the US bother to make a cure for?

All possibilities, and with the current (in places malevolently) discombobulated response to this contagion there's a higher chance of divergence... so let's hope a vaccine is developed soon enough, or else that less lethal strains come to predominate, because goddammit, our current global dishevelment cannot be our future.

[Diahon]

As someone suffering from Covid-19, Please, I beg you, do not even think about opening the economy until the cases are back in containment phase. If i had underlying conditions, I would have died on Sunday Night. But steroids and quick ER action saved me. Please please please stop thinking about money and think about lives. Deaths are undercounted, cases are under counted. Please think about your fellow humans, America (I know this is an international thread, but I'm also aware that many americans are here.).

Where are you from and how are you faring right now? Just hang on in there. You have family, you have friends, you have a world waiting ahead of you. Stay strong; you have the help you need right now, which is good.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The deadliest mutations in the patients in the study had also been found in most patients across Europe, the South China Morning Post reported.
Meanwhile, the milder strains were the predominant types found in parts of the United States, such as Washington state, the newspaper said.

Worrying thought. What if they further diverge, and two different cures are needed? Or worse, a "third world" strain develops which neither Europe nor the US bother to make a cure for?

All possibilities, and with the current (in places malevolently) discombobulated response to this contagion there's a higher chance of divergence... so let's hope a vaccine is developed soon enough, or else that less lethal strains come to predominate, because goddammit, our current global dishevelment cannot be our future.

My understanding is that viruses evolve towards being LESS lethal. My worry here is that with borders closed, evolution of the virus in different areas could diverge so much that one cure won't work for all.

[Torisakia]

So am I better off killing myself in this case, since the countermeasures in place now won't save me? Asking for a friend.

The countermeasures in place may have ALREADY saved you.

I misread it. My bad.

As someone suffering from Covid-19, Please, I beg you, do not even think about opening the economy until the cases are back in containment phase. If i had underlying conditions, I would have died on Sunday Night. But steroids and quick ER action saved me. Please please please stop thinking about money and think about lives. Deaths are undercounted, cases are under counted. Please think about your fellow humans, America (I know this is an international thread, but I'm also aware that many americans are here.).

Unfortunately it seems that America believes money to be more important than lives. Wishful thinking, though.

[Tinhampton]

Professor Hugh Pennington: Don't count on a vaccine being released any time soon

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A SENSE OF SCALE: Remember when 2020 was something to look forward to?

A third of this list has either been postponed, cancelled, or rendered nigh-on impossible to hold as scheduled due to coronavirus:
1. Olympics postponed until 2021
2. Glastonbury 2020 cancelled
4. Pussycat Dolls gigs rendered impossible as scheduled in April due to social distancing
5. EURO 2020 postponed until 2021
13 (dishonourable mention, not CV-related): "[W]e need to be producing 15% of our power from renewable energy this year. OK, so the UK isn't going to meet its targets for 2020"
14. Eurovision 2020 cancelled
18. COP26 postponed until July 2021
20. The Hundred is still technically on... but is very unlikely to occur as planned