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Postby Knask » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:08 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:One more thing. Early on in the crisis Trump appointed VP Pence to handle it. Trump is a known germophobe. Do you think there might be a connection?

It is well known that his germophobia has always just been a clever excuse to avoid shaking hands with black people and other minorities.

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Postby -Astoria » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:10 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Anything with a "www.thesun.*" address should be held in deepest scepticism.

To be fair, at least it isn't the English Sun - and it was either this, or the Daily Mail.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:12 am

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Anything with a "www.thesun.*" address should be held in deepest scepticism.

To be fair, at least it isn't the English Sun - and it was either this, or the Daily Mail.


Daily Mail is great at making a mountain out of a mole hole.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:14 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
-Astoria wrote:To be fair, at least it isn't the English Sun - and it was either this, or the Daily Mail.


Daily Mail is great at making a mountain out of a mole hole.

They have never been a very reliable source of news

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Postby Zapato » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:14 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Zapato wrote:The people claiming that we should open up the restrictions because it's only the old and vulnerable who are affected should read this:

5 young New Yorkers with mild COVID-19 cases were recently hospitalized with strokes. Doctors say the coronavirus can cause blood clots.

Oxley told the Australian Broadcasting Co. that strokes have been observed in older COVID-19 patients, but this new trend was concerning because it involved younger patients in their 30s and 40s with mild symptoms.


Wonder how many of them had preexisting conditions.

Healthy young people don't usually die from COVID. That has been the consensus since this kicked off.

The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.


Thomas Jefferson University Hospitals, which operates 14 medical centers in Philadelphia, and NYU Langone Health in New York City, found that 12 of their patients treated for large blood blockages in their brains during a three-week period had the virus. Forty percent were under 50, and they had few or no risk factors. Their paper is under review by a medical journal, said Pascal Jabbour, a neurosurgeon at Thomas Jefferson.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

No underlying health issues for many of them.


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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:16 am

Zapato wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Wonder how many of them had preexisting conditions.

Healthy young people don't usually die from COVID. That has been the consensus since this kicked off.

The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.


Thomas Jefferson University Hospitals, which operates 14 medical centers in Philadelphia, and NYU Langone Health in New York City, found that 12 of their patients treated for large blood blockages in their brains during a three-week period had the virus. Forty percent were under 50, and they had few or no risk factors. Their paper is under review by a medical journal, said Pascal Jabbour, a neurosurgeon at Thomas Jefferson.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

No underlying health issues for many of them.


But how? So wait, is this thing literally the apocalypse or not? I've been told that the death rate for people my age is like 0.4%, and that many of the dead had health issues. So what's going on here?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:17 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:So was there 100 people still injecting or drink disinfectants as per the spike in phone calls?


I can’t say. My impression is that those calls were to ask if it was ok or not to drink disinfectants to treat CoVID19 because of Trump’s suggestions. That press conference has resulted in an aggressive pushback by FDA and some cleaning product companies in regards to telling people not to use disinfectants to treat coronavirus. That it could result in damage or in death.


Oh well thats not so bad but still bad.

People who could have needed the poison hotline where clogged by people who needed to ask if drinking bleach is safe.


TBH i'm not mad or disappointed in the callers beacuse they at least had the senablity to ask first.

I'm just in shock in how truly bad the Trump administration is.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:18 am

Knask wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:One more thing. Early on in the crisis Trump appointed VP Pence to handle it. Trump is a known germophobe. Do you think there might be a connection?

It is well known that his germophobia has always just been a clever excuse to avoid shaking hands with black people and other minorities.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:20 am

Rojava Free State wrote:Well after the 19th argument with my family in 3 days, I really cannot wait for this lockdown to end. They've been pushing me to find a second job, which is weird considering that #1 next to no one is hiring because everything is shut down and #2 the few places hiring like the grocery store are the places I would most likely catch COVID. My mom has been having a fucking spaz attack over COVID like this is the black plague (it isn't, this virus isn't the flu but it's more similar to the flu in morality than it is to the bubonic plague), but then wants me to basically put myself at risk for catching COVID.

Big reason I want the shelter in place order to end is so I can go back to spending most of my day away from them.


I hope this is constructive advice, but if it isn't just ignore. You catching COVID would be more of a risk to your parents (don't know how old, but older is more vulnerable) so the last thing your mother should want is for you to get a grocery job, catch the virus and bring it home. You noted yourself her inconsistency there. Maybe the missing piece of the puzzle is that she doesn't know about incubation period, or asymptomatic cases. She might be thinking that as soon as you catch it you'll show symptoms and be off to the hospital, leaving them safe.

Hmm, advice of arguments to throw at one's parents isn't really as constructive as I was trying for.

Is there any other way of getting out of the house, besides getting another job?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:25 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:Well after the 19th argument with my family in 3 days, I really cannot wait for this lockdown to end. They've been pushing me to find a second job, which is weird considering that #1 next to no one is hiring because everything is shut down and #2 the few places hiring like the grocery store are the places I would most likely catch COVID. My mom has been having a fucking spaz attack over COVID like this is the black plague (it isn't, this virus isn't the flu but it's more similar to the flu in morality than it is to the bubonic plague), but then wants me to basically put myself at risk for catching COVID.

Big reason I want the shelter in place order to end is so I can go back to spending most of my day away from them.


I hope this is constructive advice, but if it isn't just ignore. You catching COVID would be more of a risk to your parents (don't know how old, but older is more vulnerable) so the last thing your mother should want is for you to get a grocery job, catch the virus and bring it home. You noted yourself her inconsistency there. Maybe the missing piece of the puzzle is that she doesn't know about incubation period, or asymptomatic cases. She might be thinking that as soon as you catch it you'll show symptoms and be off to the hospital, leaving them safe.

Hmm, advice of arguments to throw at one's parents isn't really as constructive as I was trying for.

Is there any other way of getting out of the house, besides getting another job?


My mom knows about the incubation period. Idk what she is thinking. And yes, they are definitely more at risk. My mom had Epstein Barr a few years ago which all but destroyed her immune system and my dad has chrones. If either of them get COVID, they're finished. My parents are very stubborn hard headed people though, and frankly I think they wish they could push me out of their house, not that I would need much of a push. I was gonna move out in August until COVID all but ended my hopes of leaving here before next year. Sucks, I probably should have stayed out when I moved in May, but Tez was a real pain to live with.
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Postby -Astoria » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Daily Mail is great at making a mountain out of a mole hole.

They have never been a very reliable source of news

That's why I didn't use it as the sauce to my spaghetti.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:35 am

Hey all found a really good youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJteHRyclI

It is informative and calming. It runs about 10 minutes.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:50 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
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Generally I distrust business, but when the reputation of their own product is at stake they're quite diligent.


I’m sure they’d rather not have grieving families suing them.


If it even came to that. They'd take quite a beating in out-of-court settlements just to avoid the further publicity. Well imo.

It's a guilt by association thing. They put the required warnings on the bottle, they put the child-proof cap required by law, they never implied in advertising or on the bottle that the stuff was safe (let along beneficial) for internal use. It's not in any way their fault that someone took what the President said as advice. They did nothing wrong and my guess is they would win in court if grieving families did sue them. But the more publicity there is for injuries or deaths, by the misuse of their product, the more their brand will suffer. The public aren't rational that way, they're forever going to see that brand "which killed someone" as more toxic and dangerous than the competitor's.

Must confess, Hobos, I just can’t stop shaking my head at this whole situation.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:03 am

Greed and Death wrote:Hey all found a really good youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJteHRyclI

It is informative and calming. It runs about 10 minutes.


That was pretty good. Thanks!
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:09 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
I hope this is constructive advice, but if it isn't just ignore. You catching COVID would be more of a risk to your parents (don't know how old, but older is more vulnerable) so the last thing your mother should want is for you to get a grocery job, catch the virus and bring it home. You noted yourself her inconsistency there. Maybe the missing piece of the puzzle is that she doesn't know about incubation period, or asymptomatic cases. She might be thinking that as soon as you catch it you'll show symptoms and be off to the hospital, leaving them safe.

Hmm, advice of arguments to throw at one's parents isn't really as constructive as I was trying for.

Is there any other way of getting out of the house, besides getting another job?


My mom knows about the incubation period. Idk what she is thinking. And yes, they are definitely more at risk. My mom had Epstein Barr a few years ago which all but destroyed her immune system and my dad has chrones. If either of them get COVID, they're finished. My parents are very stubborn hard headed people though, and frankly I think they wish they could push me out of their house, not that I would need much of a push. I was gonna move out in August until COVID all but ended my hopes of leaving here before next year. Sucks, I probably should have stayed out when I moved in May, but Tez was a real pain to live with.


So their motives are mixed. They must know the risk (to themselves) of you getting another job. Yet they want you to, just to get you out for more of the day. It doesn't seem to balance. Perhaps they want you to pay more rent, that would be possible motivation to want you to work more.

But I return to this: is there any way of spending more time out of the house, other than getting the non-existent job? It seems to be the one thing that both you and your parents want, and a couple more hours a day obviously won't satisfy them but it might take the pressure off a bit.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:09 am

Greed and Death wrote:Hey all found a really good youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJteHRyclI

It is informative and calming. It runs about 10 minutes.


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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:18 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
My mom knows about the incubation period. Idk what she is thinking. And yes, they are definitely more at risk. My mom had Epstein Barr a few years ago which all but destroyed her immune system and my dad has chrones. If either of them get COVID, they're finished. My parents are very stubborn hard headed people though, and frankly I think they wish they could push me out of their house, not that I would need much of a push. I was gonna move out in August until COVID all but ended my hopes of leaving here before next year. Sucks, I probably should have stayed out when I moved in May, but Tez was a real pain to live with.


So their motives are mixed. They must know the risk (to themselves) of you getting another job. Yet they want you to, just to get you out for more of the day. It doesn't seem to balance. Perhaps they want you to pay more rent, that would be possible motivation to want you to work more.

But I return to this: is there any way of spending more time out of the house, other than getting the non-existent job? It seems to be the one thing that both you and your parents want, and a couple more hours a day obviously won't satisfy them but it might take the pressure off a bit.


The job thing is heavily motivated by them wanting me to pay for my own food and for the heating bill since I insist it be warmer than 60 degrees in the house. Money is involved, and the only thing I can currently do is just go outside.

That's the best I can do right now while the lockdown goes on.
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Rojava Free State wrote:
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The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.


Thomas Jefferson University Hospitals, which operates 14 medical centers in Philadelphia, and NYU Langone Health in New York City, found that 12 of their patients treated for large blood blockages in their brains during a three-week period had the virus. Forty percent were under 50, and they had few or no risk factors. Their paper is under review by a medical journal, said Pascal Jabbour, a neurosurgeon at Thomas Jefferson.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

No underlying health issues for many of them.


But how? So wait, is this thing literally the apocalypse or not? I've been told that the death rate for people my age is like 0.4%, and that many of the dead had health issues. So what's going on here?

It's a developing situation, and we learn more as we go. Until we have learned all the important things, a 'better safe than sorry' approach is the wise choice.


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If you have the dry cough, you should get tested. People can have different symptoms.

I actually want to get one of those antibody tests when they are more reliable and widely available, because the more I read about less common symptoms, the more I wonder if I already had it. I had what I thought was a cold, and the symptoms were mostly not typical for COVID -- stuffy nose, sore throat, damp cough that wasn't very persistent, no fever or trouble breathing -- but the thing that makes me wonder is one night I was cooking dinner and I used garlic, onions, and chili oil to season my food, and I could not smell it cooking. It was only that one dinner, but you would think it would have a strong smell, right?


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I’m having a freak out caused by my health anxiety. Thank you both. I’m currently talking through FB with a family friend who’s a doctor in Spain. He’s telling me that since I don’t have any of the other telltale signs of CoVID (fever or aches), I’m probably having allergy driven cough (which I suspect it’s the deal) or a head cold. Weather here has been a tad yo-yo-ey so that never helps me.

:hug:

Can relate to the health anxiety. Although, oddly enough, COVID-19 hasn't given me as much anxiety as other stuff.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:47 am

Liriena wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:


I’m having a freak out caused by my health anxiety. Thank you both. I’m currently talking through FB with a family friend who’s a doctor in Spain. He’s telling me that since I don’t have any of the other telltale signs of CoVID (fever or aches), I’m probably having allergy driven cough (which I suspect it’s the deal) or a head cold. Weather here has been a tad yo-yo-ey so that never helps me.

:hug:

Can relate to the health anxiety. Although, oddly enough, COVID-19 hasn't given me as much anxiety as other stuff.


The anxiety comes from having some of the symptoms. As for myself, I have allergies. Among them tree and grass pollen. Though it seems I may have had the virus in late March and anxiety came with those symptoms including fever & aches which lasted a week. This timing was after flu season had spiked (I had my flu shot last fall too). Unfortunately allergy season is going to make a lot of people ill at ease this year.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:02 am

Greed and Death wrote:Hey all found a really good youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJteHRyclI

It is informative and calming. It runs about 10 minutes.


The intro just puts you in the wrong mood if you're watching at 2 am.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:06 pm

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I’m sure they’d rather not have grieving families suing them.


If it even came to that. They'd take quite a beating in out-of-court settlements just to avoid the further publicity. Well imo.

It's a guilt by association thing. They put the required warnings on the bottle, they put the child-proof cap required by law, they never implied in advertising or on the bottle that the stuff was safe (let along beneficial) for internal use. It's not in any way their fault that someone took what the President said as advice. They did nothing wrong and my guess is they would win in court if grieving families did sue them. But the more publicity there is for injuries or deaths, by the misuse of their product, the more their brand will suffer. The public aren't rational that way, they're forever going to see that brand "which killed someone" as more toxic and dangerous than the competitor's.

Must confess, Hobos, I just can’t stop shaking my head at this whole situation.


Shaking of the head! Oh no, those are symptoms. You might have Trump Derangement Syndrome!


Gods, no. I came to terms with him being president a long time ago. No. What makes me shake my head is this ongoing thing with disinfectants, claims of sarcasm and damage control. Something that could’ve been avoided. But no.

I’m honestly emotionally exhausted, ngl. My patience is shorter than Britney Spears’s first marriage.
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Rojava Free State
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:13 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Liriena wrote: :hug:

Can relate to the health anxiety. Although, oddly enough, COVID-19 hasn't given me as much anxiety as other stuff.


The anxiety comes from having some of the symptoms. As for myself, I have allergies. Among them tree and grass pollen. Though it seems I may have had the virus in late March and anxiety came with those symptoms including fever & aches which lasted a week. This timing was after flu season had spiked (I had my flu shot last fall too). Unfortunately allergy season is going to make a lot of people ill at ease this year.


It's made me worry. I have a dry cough due to allergies as well as runny nose and shortness of breath, and these are all symptoms of COVID.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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