Coronavirus Thread III: The Show Must Not Go On (READ OP)

[Nobel Hobos 2]

How about we apply a Biblical standard to stuff he says. It's provably wrong, so it must be a parable ...

When he says disinfectant, maybe he means sunlight. Or fresh mountain air?

I am sure those kinds of interpretations are trending amongst his followers.

Well fresh mountain air never hurt anyone. But I hope they don't try getting a UV light down into their lungs, can you imagine sunburn in your lungs?

[Vassenor]

This sudden tiptoeing around China and the WHO because "muh racist conspiracy theories" is just the latest addition to the Left's growing list of unforgivable betrayals of some of the very peoples they once regarded as victims of social and political injustice.

That's what outrage culture does, it lacks any long term coherence, and it sees people as just outrage vectors, and not as, people.

It's naive to think otherwise, but it would be nice if at least during a pandemic the politicizing could take a trip day away.

Apparently calling out Trump for peddling actually lethal snake oil is just playing politics now.

[Albrenia]

I've yet to see all this pro-CCP leftism people keep talking about. Granted I keep off Buzzfeed and similar places, but all the lefties I personally know think the CCP are directly to blame for this pandemic due to their mishandling and corrupt actions at the start.

It's just we don't give Trump a pass on his share of the blame either, or Boris Johnson and so on.

[Vassenor]

I've yet to see all this pro-CCP leftism people keep talking about. Granted I keep off Buzzfeed and similar places, but all the lefties I personally know think the CCP are directly to blame for this pandemic due to their mishandling and corrupt actions at the start.

It's just we don't give Trump a pass on his share of the blame either, or Boris Johnson and so on.

Any blame apportioned to Trump, Boris or anyone else is blame not apportioned to the CCP and thus is apologia for the CCP, I believe is the logic.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

This sudden tiptoeing around China and the WHO because "muh racist conspiracy theories" is just the latest addition to the Left's growing list of unforgivable betrayals of some of the very peoples they once regarded as victims of social and political injustice.

That's what outrage culture does, it lacks any long term coherence, and it sees people as just outrage vectors, and not as, people.

It's naive to think otherwise, but it would be nice if at least during a pandemic the politicizing could take a trip day away.

The irony of you replying to a flagrantly political post with a gentle suggestion that we all depoliticize. When did that ever work?

[Albrenia]

I've yet to see all this pro-CCP leftism people keep talking about. Granted I keep off Buzzfeed and similar places, but all the lefties I personally know think the CCP are directly to blame for this pandemic due to their mishandling and corrupt actions at the start.

It's just we don't give Trump a pass on his share of the blame either, or Boris Johnson and so on.

Any blame apportioned to Trump, Boris or anyone else is blame not apportioned to the CCP and thus is apologia for the CCP, I believe is the logic.

Blame is like love - there's enough for everyone to get their share.

[Post War America]

I've yet to see all this pro-CCP leftism people keep talking about. Granted I keep off Buzzfeed and similar places, but all the lefties I personally know think the CCP are directly to blame for this pandemic due to their mishandling and corrupt actions at the start.

It's just we don't give Trump a pass on his share of the blame either, or Boris Johnson and so on.

Because to Cold Warrior LARPers anything less than immediate calls for the invasion of mainland China, or at least closing Chinese Embassies and declaring them a Rogue State is considered apologetics.

[The Grims]

How about we apply a Biblical standard to stuff he says. It's provably wrong, so it must be a parable ...

When he says disinfectant, maybe he means sunlight. Or fresh mountain air?

I am sure those kinds of interpretations are trending amongst his followers.

Surely his followers are now mass injecting themselves or gargling bleech because all the doctors that say nooooo are just leftist democrats ?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I've yet to see all this pro-CCP leftism people keep talking about. Granted I keep off Buzzfeed and similar places, but all the lefties I personally know think the CCP are directly to blame for this pandemic due to their mishandling and corrupt actions at the start.

It's just we don't give Trump a pass on his share of the blame either, or Boris Johnson and so on.

Personally I go easy on China because (a) they still have stuff we need, and (b) a rising tide of China hate will get Trump re-elected.

If that means letting China off the hook until at least November, so be it. It's going to take years anyway, let's deal with the problems we can actually solve first. Firstly beat the virus. Secondly beat Trump.

Punishing China won't do a thing to overthrow their government (well unless it's invasion lol), it's just for revenge. Not a big fan of revenge personally. But something along the lines of Demand Reparations, then Apply Sanctions when China refuses to pay is probably going to happen. Revenge. But "revenge is best served cold". Trying to hurt China this year will hurt us pretty badly too.

[Ifreann]

That is utterly absurd as is the whole idea of rationing who can go out on what day or what hours

I do get setting certain times for the elderly to shop. All grocery stores around here have set shopping hours that cater exclusively to the elderly. 8am to 9:30am is usually the time set so as to give them time and safety in which to shop. But segregation by sex and age? Gods no.

It's actually not a bad idea. You want to keep the number of people in public at any one time down below some threshold so that social distancing is nice and easy. If no more than, say, ten thousand people are out at once, then there probably won't be any big crowds forming. So, how to accomplish that? Well "out in public" isn't exactly a small area that the government can easily control access to. It's not like bouncers at a night club where they can count people coming in and going out. Best thing is to assign everyone a time when they're allowed out. But how to assign those times? Well everyone obviously knows their own age, and further dividing it by sex will half the number of people again. Convenient arbitrary categories.

[Samudera Darussalam]

I am sure those kinds of interpretations are trending amongst his followers.

Well fresh mountain air never hurt anyone. But I hope they don't try getting a UV light down into their lungs, can you imagine sunburn in your lungs?

Somewhere in twitter I read that one person said that kind of treatment is making your lungs into Hiroshima, which says something.

[Fartsniffage]

Humanity is doomed

Really wanted her to ask him if it was because the government needs to change the batteries in the birds...

[Nobel Hobos 2]

That is utterly absurd as is the whole idea of rationing who can go out on what day or what hours

Since you utterly refuse to debate any of your own claims, I'd appreciate if you not harass me from a distance by calling my ideas "absurd". That's not debate.

Rationing was used in the United States when there wasn't enough petrol, in 1973:

Petroleum products were rationed in many countries following the 1973 oil crisis. The United States introduced odd–even rationing for fuels during the crisis, which allowed only vehicles with even-numbered numberplates to fill up on gas one day and odd-numbered ones on another.[30]

The public spaces in cities are not big enough now to allow everyone to go out as much as they want, while also maintaining social distancing. Rationing the public space is a better solution than what most governments are doing: closing parks and beaches, causing even more congestion in the available spaces.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I do get setting certain times for the elderly to shop. All grocery stores around here have set shopping hours that cater exclusively to the elderly. 8am to 9:30am is usually the time set so as to give them time and safety in which to shop. But segregation by sex and age? Gods no.

It's actually not a bad idea.

We've got that, but I think it's an initiative of the big supermarket chains.

You want to keep the number of people in public at any one time down below some threshold so that social distancing is nice and easy. If no more than, say, ten thousand people are out at once, then there probably won't be any big crowds forming. So, how to accomplish that? Well "out in public" isn't exactly a small area that the government can easily control access to. It's not like bouncers at a night club where they can count people coming in and going out. Best thing is to assign everyone a time when they're allowed out. But how to assign those times? Well everyone obviously knows their own age, and further dividing it by sex will half the number of people again. Convenient arbitrary categories.

How about height? Hear me out, most people know their own height and if not they can measure it. But unlike their age, their height is plain for others to see. People flouting the rationing scheme would stand out (literally come to think of it).

[Rojava Free State]

I am. You aren't. The US overproduces food relative to its requirements by an utterly ludicrous margin. There's no possibility of food shortages in the US any time soon. Stop fearmongering.

What did we tell you about continuing to harrass San Lumen? Also, your appeal for your previous warning is denied.
*** 24-hour ban for harrassment ***

Aw Lamoni, you didn't have to do it. He was just speaking facts.

[Rojava Free State]

This sudden tiptoeing around China and the WHO because "muh racist conspiracy theories" is just the latest addition to the Left's growing list of unforgivable betrayals of some of the very peoples they once regarded as victims of social and political injustice.

That's what outrage culture does, it lacks any long term coherence, and it sees people as just outrage vectors, and not as, people.

It's naive to think otherwise, but it would be nice if at least during a pandemic the politicizing could take a trip day away.

I bet if Hillary Clinton was president right now and did the same thing, they wouldn't be saying shit.

Many of these outraged wimps are partisans and not truly principled human beings. They think whatever Trump does is bad, and while much of what he does is indeed awful, they'll hate on him when he does the right thing. They don't really hate him for what he does, but because he beat their candidate of choice. I can't stand Trump, but I know he isn't as uniquely evil as people claim. He acts crazier than others but in policy most of what he's done is the same old shit as other presidents before him. My goal isn't just "get rid of Trump." The partisan man's is. Trump was right to ban travel from China and even Fauci said as much. I can't imagine how bad it would have been if trump didn't.

[Vassenor]

That's what outrage culture does, it lacks any long term coherence, and it sees people as just outrage vectors, and not as, people.

It's naive to think otherwise, but it would be nice if at least during a pandemic the politicizing could take a trip day away.

I bet if Hillary Clinton was president right now and did the same thing, they wouldn't be saying shit.

Many of these outraged wimps are partisans and not truly principled human beings. They think whatever Trump does is bad, and while much of what he does is indeed awful, they'll hate on him when he does the right thing. They don't really hate him for what he does, but because he beat their candidate of choice. I can't stand Trump, but I know he isn't as uniquely evil as people claim. He acts crazier than others but in policy most of what he's done is the same old shit as other presidents before him. My goal isn't just "get rid of Trump." The partisan man's is. Trump was right to ban travel from China and even Fauci said as much. I can't imagine how bad it would have been if trump didn't.

That's a pretty baseless assumption.

[Rojava Free State]

I do get setting certain times for the elderly to shop. All grocery stores around here have set shopping hours that cater exclusively to the elderly. 8am to 9:30am is usually the time set so as to give them time and safety in which to shop. But segregation by sex and age? Gods no.

It's actually not a bad idea. You want to keep the number of people in public at any one time down below some threshold so that social distancing is nice and easy. If no more than, say, ten thousand people are out at once, then there probably won't be any big crowds forming. So, how to accomplish that? Well "out in public" isn't exactly a small area that the government can easily control access to. It's not like bouncers at a night club where they can count people coming in and going out. Best thing is to assign everyone a time when they're allowed out. But how to assign those times? Well everyone obviously knows their own age, and further dividing it by sex will half the number of people again. Convenient arbitrary categories.

That sounds absolutely bizarre. How about we keep it simple and just give different age groups time out in public. The youth can go out at this time, the middle aged at this time and the old at this time. I strongly encourage the old not to go out at all, since they have the privilege of not having a job, but i know they won't listen and will put themselves in danger like they always do, so they can go out at a certain time.

We'll let people age 65 to dead go out between 5 AM and 12 PM, Middle age people between 12 and 7, and young folks between 7 and 2 AM, with a curfew between 2 and 5.
That or we could avoid these kind of unusual draconian measures altogether but if we must, let's not make it too crazy.

[Rojava Free State]

I bet if Hillary Clinton was president right now and did the same thing, they wouldn't be saying shit.

Many of these outraged wimps are partisans and not truly principled human beings. They think whatever Trump does is bad, and while much of what he does is indeed awful, they'll hate on him when he does the right thing. They don't really hate him for what he does, but because he beat their candidate of choice. I can't stand Trump, but I know he isn't as uniquely evil as people claim. He acts crazier than others but in policy most of what he's done is the same old shit as other presidents before him. My goal isn't just "get rid of Trump." The partisan man's is. Trump was right to ban travel from China and even Fauci said as much. I can't imagine how bad it would have been if trump didn't.

That's a pretty baseless assumption.

No it isn't. I notice CNN, the same news station that was against the Iraq war, bashed trump for wanting to pull out of Syria. I also remember CNN bashing trump for admiring Xi Jingping for being president for life (they should because trump is admiring a tyrant), but then they bashed him for closing down travel with china and blaming the chinese government. "Oh he called it the chinese virus," they said after calling it the chinese coronavirus a couple months before. No matter what he does, theyll complain. It's what they do.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... times.html

[Vassenor]

That's a pretty baseless assumption.

No it isn't. I notice CNN, the same news station that was against the Iraq war, bashed trump for wanting to pull out of Syria. I also remember CNN bashing trump for admiring Xi Jingping for being president for life (they should because trump is admiring a tyrant), but then they bashed him for closing down travel with china and blaming the chinese government. "Oh he called it the chinese virus," they said after calling it the chinese coronavirus a couple months before. No matter what he does, theyll complain. It's what they do.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... times.html

So you're grasping desperately for a BOTHSAME.

[Caracasus]

No it isn't. I notice CNN, the same news station that was against the Iraq war, bashed trump for wanting to pull out of Syria. I also remember CNN bashing trump for admiring Xi Jingping for being president for life (they should because trump is admiring a tyrant), but then they bashed him for closing down travel with china and blaming the chinese government. "Oh he called it the chinese virus," they said after calling it the chinese coronavirus a couple months before. No matter what he does, theyll complain. It's what they do.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... times.html

So you're grasping desperately for a BOTHSAME.

Honestly, the degree of partisanship in the US is both amazing given how little real difference there seems to be between both main parties compared to the diversity of difference in other countries and terrifying. Especially seeing as the US has spectacularly failed to deal with an ongoing pandemic in part because "dealing with a pandemic" has somehow become a partisan issue. This isn't a problem most other countries have had. That's not to say that other countries haven't had their own problems, but most have been able to not turn the response into a bitter fight between the two main parties.

Now no doubt you're going to claim it's the other side that's the problem. That's not going to be of much help to all those people who are gonna die because of this though.

[Ethel mermania]

So you're grasping desperately for a BOTHSAME.

Honestly, the degree of partisanship in the US is both amazing given how little real difference there seems to be between both main parties compared to the diversity of difference in other countries and terrifying. Especially seeing as the US has spectacularly failed to deal with an ongoing pandemic in part because "dealing with a pandemic" has somehow become a partisan issue. This isn't a problem most other countries have had. That's not to say that other countries haven't had their own problems, but most have been able to not turn the response into a bitter fight between the two main parties.

Now no doubt you're going to claim it's the other side that's the problem. That's not going to be of much help to all those people who are gonna die because of this though.

You mean like this

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 010947001/

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So you're grasping desperately for a BOTHSAME.

Honestly, the degree of partisanship in the US is both amazing given how little real difference there seems to be between both main parties compared to the diversity of difference in other countries and terrifying. Especially seeing as the US has spectacularly failed to deal with an ongoing pandemic in part because "dealing with a pandemic" has somehow become a partisan issue. This isn't a problem most other countries have had. That's not to say that other countries haven't had their own problems, but most have been able to not turn the response into a bitter fight between the two main parties.

Now no doubt you're going to claim it's the other side that's the problem. That's not going to be of much help to all those people who are gonna die because of this though.

As I like to say, the First Past The Post system converges on Two Party Politics. But the hyper-partisanship of the last decade (or more) makes me think it's not quite accurate. Maybe One-And-A-Half Party Politics: the political space isn't big enough for the two of them, so they fight like it's a matter of survival.

But then I look at the UK, also a FPTP system. Not only do they have more than two parties (for now) but the partisan fighting is less bitter.

It might actually be the US's strong constitution. I find it admirable to have a firm set of rules, of what government can't do, and the document itself lays out some pretty important rights. But maybe it's perversely led to the belief that anything in politics is fair game ... providing it's constitutional.

[Juristonia]

You mean like this

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 010947001/

So the Dems want to bar someone in their party who supported the use of a potentially dangerous drug, against the judgement of both her own party and pretty much every medical expert.
And not even the Dems as a whole, mind you; just the 13th Congressional District Democratic Party Organization.

Not sure how that shows partisan finger pointing, but good for them.

[Ethel mermania]

What did we tell you about continuing to harrass San Lumen? Also, your appeal for your previous warning is denied.
*** 24-hour ban for harrassment ***

Aw Lamoni, you didn't have to do it. He was just speaking facts.

He has been harassing that kid all through this thread. I asked him nicely to stop, he said no take it to moderation, so I did.

This is a tough time for everyone, a little kindness and consideration wouldnt hurt anybody.