Coronavirus Thread III: The Show Must Not Go On (READ OP)

[San Lumen]

It will definitely be over in 1,5 years once the vaccine has been developed and mass-distributed. That's a lot of time though.

The problem is that 90+% of people won't wanna stay sheltered in place for that long. It's been difficult in some places getting people to obey the lockdown after 4 days. There's no way it would last that long in America or western Europe. Especially if the virus declines in infection. If people think it's too dangerous to go outside, they'll agree to stay indoors. But if they begin to believe (rightly or wrongly) that it isn't dangerous to go out, and they've been inside for over a month, there's a good chance they're gonna stop listening. Not necessarily in a dramatic way like Lumen described with riots and civil war, but just not following protocol. Imagine if tomorrow 75% of the people in your city decided they werent gonna keep following the lockdown and started gathering in crowds, going out with friends, having parties and some businesses reopened. In China, the government would respond by murdering people, because they do that for every reason. In a place like Portugal, it would be the end of the lockdown, because Portugese troops aren't gonna shoot unarmed civilians for gathering, especially when they themselves are skeptical of the lockdown.

To put it simply, a majority of people, civilians and government alike, are not gonna keep a lockdown going if the reason for the lockdown seems to have abated. The day michigan sees only a couple new coronavirus cases a day, the lockdown is probably gonna be over. Especially considering that Whitmer is a swing state governor and isnt guaranteed her seat. She doesn't wanna give an opponent cannon fodder by locking the state down to the point of overkill and causing significant economic damage and a mental health crisis. So in short, my point is a point shared by most people. You lock down till the healthcare system won't be totally decimated. Once the cases are back at a manageable level and we've contained the infected, you end the official lockdown, although you don't necessarily end all restrictions. So if you wanted to shut the whole world down for three weeks and then promised on your mother's life we would reopen in three weeks, I would agree to it.

Very well said. Could not have said it better

[Nobel Hobos 2]

No one should have to make an appointment to go to the bar, gym or mall and be limited in their time there. That’s absurd.

Since you plainly didn't read the post ... I asked if ArP would accept rationing of something that he is currently denied.

The choice seems obvious to me. You can have a bit of something (a ration), it's better than none at all isn't it?

[San Lumen]

No one should have to make an appointment to go to the bar, gym or mall and be limited in their time there. That’s absurd.

Since you plainly didn't read the post ... I asked if ArP would accept rationing of something that he is currently denied.

The choice seems obvious to me. You can have a bit of something (a ration), it's better than none at all isn't it?

It’s still absurd and I doubt many would go for it

And how are they going to perform if we need to keep social distancing?

Again streaming is a thing. They can manage through donations and or selling tickets of sorts to view their online streams.

Doesn’t answer my question. How are you going to do a ballet or theatre production if you have to keep social distancing?

[Luminesa]

Since you plainly didn't read the post ... I asked if ArP would accept rationing of something that he is currently denied.

The choice seems obvious to me. You can have a bit of something (a ration), it's better than none at all isn't it?

It’s still absurd and I doubt many would go for it

Again streaming is a thing. They can manage through donations and or selling tickets of sorts to view their online streams.

Doesn’t answer my question. How are you going to do a ballet or theatre production if you have to keep social distancing?

Are you in charge of a ballet or theatre company?

[San Lumen]

It’s still absurd and I doubt many would go for it



Doesn’t answer my question. How are you going to do a ballet or theatre production if you have to keep social distancing?

Are you in charge of a ballet or theatre company?

No but I know people in theatre. My sister is in it

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The problem is that 90+% of people won't wanna stay sheltered in place for that long. It's been difficult in some places getting people to obey the lockdown after 4 days. There's no way it would last that long in America or western Europe. Especially if the virus declines in infection. If people think it's too dangerous to go outside, they'll agree to stay indoors. But if they begin to believe (rightly or wrongly) that it isn't dangerous to go out, and they've been inside for over a month, there's a good chance they're gonna stop listening. Not necessarily in a dramatic way like Lumen described with riots and civil war, but just not following protocol. Imagine if tomorrow 75% of the people in your city decided they werent gonna keep following the lockdown and started gathering in crowds, going out with friends, having parties and some businesses reopened. In China, the government would respond by murdering people, because they do that for every reason. In a place like Portugal, it would be the end of the lockdown, because Portugese troops aren't gonna shoot unarmed civilians for gathering, especially when they themselves are skeptical of the lockdown.

To put it simply, a majority of people, civilians and government alike, are not gonna keep a lockdown going if the reason for the lockdown seems to have abated. The day michigan sees only a couple new coronavirus cases a day, the lockdown is probably gonna be over. Especially considering that Whitmer is a swing state governor and isnt guaranteed her seat. She doesn't wanna give an opponent cannon fodder by locking the state down to the point of overkill and causing significant economic damage and a mental health crisis. So in short, my point is a point shared by most people. You lock down till the healthcare system won't be totally decimated. Once the cases are back at a manageable level and we've contained the infected, you end the official lockdown, although you don't necessarily end all restrictions. So if you wanted to shut the whole world down for three weeks and then promised on your mother's life we would reopen in three weeks, I would agree to it.

Very well said. Could not have said it better

Factually true, you couldn't.

It did however contain a false assumption in the first sentence, and ended with an impossible proposition, so I can see why you agreed with every word you read.

[Luminesa]

I mean, considering how crowded a mall can get, it’s not always a bad idea to limit how many people go in. For Black Friday they had to limit how many people could get into the local Bath and Body Works, since more people were going in than the Fire Marshal would allow. This is not ALL that different. And going to the gym sometimes also requires scheduling, depending on where you go. You still get to go to those places, sometimes having less traffic is not a bad thing.

[Luminesa]

Are you in charge of a ballet or theatre company?

No but I know people in theatre. My sister is in it

Your sister doesn’t know how to run a ballet or theatre company.

[Ifreann]

Since you plainly didn't read the post ... I asked if ArP would accept rationing of something that he is currently denied.

The choice seems obvious to me. You can have a bit of something (a ration), it's better than none at all isn't it?

It’s still absurd and I doubt many would go for it

Again streaming is a thing. They can manage through donations and or selling tickets of sorts to view their online streams.

Doesn’t answer my question. How are you going to do a ballet or theatre production if you have to keep social distancing?

You're awfully attached to the performing arts in New South Wales. And here I thought you lived in New York. A person might think that you are freaking out for no good reason and should probably stop coming to this website when that seems to happen to you every day.

[San Lumen]

I mean, considering how crowded a mall can get, it’s not always a bad idea to limit how many people go in. For Black Friday they had to limit how many people could get into the local Bath and Body Works, since more people were going in than the Fire Marshal would allow. This is not ALL that different. And going to the gym sometimes also requires scheduling, depending on where you go. You still get to go to those places, sometimes having less traffic is not a bad thing.

I should be able to go to mall or gym whenever I want during their operating hours. I shouldn’t have to book a time to go or reserve a spot at the bar weeks in advance

[San Lumen]

No but I know people in theatre. My sister is in it

Your sister doesn’t know how to run a ballet or theatre company.

Did you listen to a word I said? How are you going to do a ballet or play if you have to maintain six feet distance? The answer is you can’t

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Since you plainly didn't read the post ... I asked if ArP would accept rationing of something that he is currently denied.

The choice seems obvious to me. You can have a bit of something (a ration), it's better than none at all isn't it?

It’s still absurd and I doubt many would go for it

Yet people accept such rationing when they visit a popular restaurant. I'm not proposing anything much different: if you turn up and it's too crowded you don't get seated unless you have a booking. If you really object to it, you can turn up anyway, you might get lucky on a quiet night, they'll give you a seat and feed you.

To really finish off your analogy, one of the examples you chose yourself sometimes has to ration places. There's a rush after work and you may be turned away if the gym is too full and you haven't booked.

[San Lumen]

It’s still absurd and I doubt many would go for it

Yet people accept such rationing when they visit a popular restaurant. I'm not proposing anything much different: if you turn up and it's too crowded you don't get seated unless you have a booking. If you really object to it, you can turn up anyway, you might get lucky on a quiet night, they'll give you a seat and feed you.

To really finish off your analogy, one of the examples you chose yourself sometimes has to ration places. There's a rush after work and you may be turned away if the gym is too full and you haven't booked.

A restaurant is one thing. But the mall or gym? No

[Luminesa]

Your sister doesn’t know how to run a ballet or theatre company.

Did you listen to a word I said? How are you going to do a ballet or play if you have to maintain six feet distance? The answer is you can’t

Are you sure? You can do ballet from home. You can maintain social distancing in a ballet studio. You can have solo performances. People have been doing theatre readings from home, from what I’ve heard. We’re adapting, and your sister is going to be alright.

[Andsed]

Your sister doesn’t know how to run a ballet or theatre company.

Did you listen to a word I said? How are you going to do a ballet or play if you have to maintain six feet distance? The answer is you can’t

I am sure they can manage.

[Andsed]

Yet people accept such rationing when they visit a popular restaurant. I'm not proposing anything much different: if you turn up and it's too crowded you don't get seated unless you have a booking. If you really object to it, you can turn up anyway, you might get lucky on a quiet night, they'll give you a seat and feed you.

To really finish off your analogy, one of the examples you chose yourself sometimes has to ration places. There's a rush after work and you may be turned away if the gym is too full and you haven't booked.

A restaurant is one thing. But the mall or gym? No

Why not? You schedule a time slot and when it comes you go and do what you need. Seems just fine to me.

[San Lumen]

Did you listen to a word I said? How are you going to do a ballet or play if you have to maintain six feet distance? The answer is you can’t

Are you sure? You can do ballet from home. You can maintain social distancing in a ballet studio. You can have solo performances. People have been doing theatre readings from home, from what I’ve heard. We’re adapting, and your sister is going to be alright.

There aren’t a tremendous amount of solo shows and many ballets and plays maintaining social distancing Is impossible. Unless you want to change the whole meaning of entire scenes

[Luminesa]

I mean, considering how crowded a mall can get, it’s not always a bad idea to limit how many people go in. For Black Friday they had to limit how many people could get into the local Bath and Body Works, since more people were going in than the Fire Marshal would allow. This is not ALL that different. And going to the gym sometimes also requires scheduling, depending on where you go. You still get to go to those places, sometimes having less traffic is not a bad thing.

I should be able to go to mall or gym whenever I want during their operating hours. I shouldn’t have to book a time to go or reserve a spot at the bar weeks in advance

At some restaurants you do have to reserve. And at some sports bars where you have a big party, yeah, sometimes it’s better to reserve, or you will have to wait a while to get seated. And uhhh, what if you get to the gym and everyone’s on the equipment, and you have to wait? Are you gonna scream about how your rights are being stomped-on? This is devolving really into petty whining over not getting to do what you want.

[San Lumen]

A restaurant is one thing. But the mall or gym? No

Why not? You schedule a time slot and when it comes you go and do what you need. Seems just fine to me.

Why should anyone have to? Why should your time in a store be limited?

[San Lumen]

I should be able to go to mall or gym whenever I want during their operating hours. I shouldn’t have to book a time to go or reserve a spot at the bar weeks in advance

At some restaurants you do have to reserve. And at some sports bars where you have a big party, yeah, sometimes it’s better to reserve, or you will have to wait a while to get seated. And uhhh, what if you get to the gym and everyone’s on the equipment, and you have to wait? Are you gonna scream about how your rights are being stomped-on? This is devolving really into petty whining over not getting to do what you want.

Is that what I said? No. Some here are suggesting that all public places become by appointment

[Andsed]

Why not? You schedule a time slot and when it comes you go and do what you need. Seems just fine to me.

Why should anyone have to? Why should your time in a store be limited?

Because this is a crisis Lumen. Measures need to be taken to prevent it from getting worse.

[Luminesa]

Are you sure? You can do ballet from home. You can maintain social distancing in a ballet studio. You can have solo performances. People have been doing theatre readings from home, from what I’ve heard. We’re adapting, and your sister is going to be alright.

There aren’t a tremendous amount of solo shows and many ballets and plays maintaining social distancing Is impossible. Unless you want to change the whole meaning of entire scenes

There’s a lot of solo scenes in ballets, though. Overall, though, your sister as an athlete probably knows better than you how to stay healthy, and she is going to be just fine. When all this is over, she’ll be able to go right back to being involved in productions. That’s the thing about the arts, they’re always in demand.

[San Lumen]

Why should anyone have to? Why should your time in a store be limited?

Because this is a crisis Lumen. Measures need to be taken to prevent it from getting worse.

Therefore going to the mall should be by appointment?

[Andsed]

Because this is a crisis Lumen. Measures need to be taken to prevent it from getting worse.

Therefore going to the mall should be by appointment?

If social distancing is still necessary at the time then yes.

[San Lumen]

Therefore going to the mall should be by appointment?

If social distancing is still necessary at the time then yes.

I’m sorry but that is ridiculous