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Postby The Chuck » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:52 am

Thepeopl wrote:
The Chuck wrote:I believe I can make it this weekend


Did you finish your white paper in time?


Indeed I did, I'm actually working on the final polished draft right now lol.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:09 am

The Chuck wrote:
Thepeopl wrote:
Did you finish your white paper in time?


Indeed I did, I'm actually working on the final polished draft right now lol.


The correct term is European-American paper.
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Postby Menassa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:07 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Yes, I know I've triple posted.

I am planning to do this next Saturday at 8 pm UK time, so 3 pm eastern, 2 pm central, 9 pm in most of Europe. Is this a bad time for anyone, aside from the people who've said they'll be late anyway?

Friday-Saturday are no goes for me.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:10 pm

Menassa wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Yes, I know I've triple posted.

I am planning to do this next Saturday at 8 pm UK time, so 3 pm eastern, 2 pm central, 9 pm in most of Europe. Is this a bad time for anyone, aside from the people who've said they'll be late anyway?

Friday-Saturday are no goes for me.


Why?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Menassa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:14 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Menassa wrote:Friday-Saturday are no goes for me.


Why?

For in six days God created the world, and on the seventh he rested, and was refreshed.
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Postby Dylar » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:17 pm

Menassa wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Why?

For in six days God created the world, and on the seventh he rested, and was refreshed.

I keep forgetting that Jews can't do much during the Sabbath
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Postby Menassa » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:18 pm

Dylar wrote:
Menassa wrote:For in six days God created the world, and on the seventh he rested, and was refreshed.

I keep forgetting that Jews can't do much during the Sabbath

We're easily forgotten. :(
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Postby Mushet » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:19 pm

Dylar wrote:
Menassa wrote:For in six days God created the world, and on the seventh he rested, and was refreshed.

I keep forgetting that Jews can't do much during the Sabbath

Observant ones anyway :p
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:14 pm

Menassa wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Why?

For in six days God created the world, and on the seventh he rested, and was refreshed.


The sabbath bans work. Does it ban simply calling someone?
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Dylar » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:21 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Menassa wrote:For in six days God created the world, and on the seventh he rested, and was refreshed.


The sabbath bans work. Does it ban simply calling someone?

From Wiki:
Jewish law (halakha) prohibits doing any form of melakhah (מְלָאכָה, plural melakhoth) on Shabbat, unless an urgent human or medical need is life-threatening. Though melakhah is commonly translated as "work" in English, a better definition is "deliberate activity" or "skill and craftmanship". There are 39 categories of prohibited activities (melakhoth) listed in Mishnah Tractate Shabbat 7:2. The 39 categories of melakhah are:
plowing earth
sowing
reaping
binding sheaves
threshing
winnowing
selecting
grinding
sifting
kneading
baking
shearing wool
washing wool
beating wool
dyeing wool
spinning
weaving
making two loops
weaving two threads
separating two threads
tying
untying
sewing stitches
tearing
trapping
slaughtering
flaying
tanning
scraping hide
marking hide
cutting hide to shape
writing two or more letters
erasing two or more letters
building
demolishing
extinguishing a fire
kindling a fire
putting the finishing touch on an object, and
transporting an object (between private and public domains, or over 4 cubits within public domain)

Orthodox and some Conservative authorities rule that turning electric devices on or off is prohibited as a melakhah; however, authorities are not in agreement about exactly which one(s). One view is that tiny sparks are created in a switch when the circuit is closed, and this would constitute lighting a fire (category 37). If the appliance is purposed for light or heat (such as an incandescent bulb or electric oven), then the lighting or heating elements may be considered as a type of fire that falls under both lighting a fire (category 37) and cooking (i.e., baking, category 11). Turning lights off would be extinguishing a fire (category 36).

Another view is that a device plugged into an electrical outlet of a wall becomes part of the building, but is nonfunctional while the switch is off; turning it on would then constitute building (category 35) and turning it off would be demolishing (category 34). Some schools of thought consider the use of electricity to be forbidden only by rabbinic injunction, rather than because it violates one of the original categories.

A common solution to the problem of electricity involves preset timers (Shabbat clocks) for electric appliances, to turn them on and off automatically, with no human intervention on Shabbat itself. Some Conservative authorities[32][33][34] reject altogether the arguments for prohibiting the use of electricity. Some Orthodox also hire a "Shabbos goy", a Gentile to perform prohibited tasks (like operating light switches) on Shabbat.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:23 pm

Dylar wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
The sabbath bans work. Does it ban simply calling someone?

From Wiki:
Jewish law (halakha) prohibits doing any form of melakhah (מְלָאכָה, plural melakhoth) on Shabbat, unless an urgent human or medical need is life-threatening. Though melakhah is commonly translated as "work" in English, a better definition is "deliberate activity" or "skill and craftmanship". There are 39 categories of prohibited activities (melakhoth) listed in Mishnah Tractate Shabbat 7:2. The 39 categories of melakhah are:
plowing earth
sowing
reaping
binding sheaves
threshing
winnowing
selecting
grinding
sifting
kneading
baking
shearing wool
washing wool
beating wool
dyeing wool
spinning
weaving
making two loops
weaving two threads
separating two threads
tying
untying
sewing stitches
tearing
trapping
slaughtering
flaying
tanning
scraping hide
marking hide
cutting hide to shape
writing two or more letters
erasing two or more letters
building
demolishing
extinguishing a fire
kindling a fire
putting the finishing touch on an object, and
transporting an object (between private and public domains, or over 4 cubits within public domain)

Orthodox and some Conservative authorities rule that turning electric devices on or off is prohibited as a melakhah; however, authorities are not in agreement about exactly which one(s). One view is that tiny sparks are created in a switch when the circuit is closed, and this would constitute lighting a fire (category 37). If the appliance is purposed for light or heat (such as an incandescent bulb or electric oven), then the lighting or heating elements may be considered as a type of fire that falls under both lighting a fire (category 37) and cooking (i.e., baking, category 11). Turning lights off would be extinguishing a fire (category 36).

Another view is that a device plugged into an electrical outlet of a wall becomes part of the building, but is nonfunctional while the switch is off; turning it on would then constitute building (category 35) and turning it off would be demolishing (category 34). Some schools of thought consider the use of electricity to be forbidden only by rabbinic injunction, rather than because it violates one of the original categories.

A common solution to the problem of electricity involves preset timers (Shabbat clocks) for electric appliances, to turn them on and off automatically, with no human intervention on Shabbat itself. Some Conservative authorities[32][33][34] reject altogether the arguments for prohibiting the use of electricity. Some Orthodox also hire a "Shabbos goy", a Gentile to perform prohibited tasks (like operating light switches) on Shabbat.


So what can you do during the sabbath? Sleep?

I'm glad I'm not an orthodox Jew. Wow.
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Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Dylar » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:26 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Dylar wrote:From Wiki:


So what can you do during the sabbath? Sleep?

I'm glad I'm not an orthodox Jew. Wow.

From my very limited understanding on Judaism, most observant Jews gather around with their families and do spiritual activities such as reading from the Tanakh, and praying from Friday evening until Saturday evening.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:32 pm

Dylar wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
So what can you do during the sabbath? Sleep?

I'm glad I'm not an orthodox Jew. Wow.

From my very limited understanding on Judaism, most observant Jews gather around with their families and do spiritual activities such as reading from the Tanakh, and praying from Friday evening until Saturday evening.


That sounds boring.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Menassa » Tue Apr 28, 2020 7:34 am

I could tell you all about it, if the meeting time were not on a Saturday :p
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:04 am

I could see if people would be agreeable to moving it to the Thursday but I'm not sure that it'd be possible. Obviously I've got to think about what time and date would enable the most people possible to participate.
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Postby Menassa » Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:07 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I could see if people would be agreeable to moving it to the Thursday but I'm not sure that it'd be possible. Obviously I've got to think about what time and date would enable the most people possible to participate.

Obviously, I don't expect the entire framework to shift based upon the needs of one individual.
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
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Postby -Astoria » Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:40 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I could see if people would be agreeable to moving it to the Thursday but I'm not sure that it'd be possible. Obviously I've got to think about what time and date would enable the most people possible to participate.

Friday is a better alternative - of course, if most of us will be fine with that.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:24 am

-Astoria wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I could see if people would be agreeable to moving it to the Thursday but I'm not sure that it'd be possible. Obviously I've got to think about what time and date would enable the most people possible to participate.

Friday is a better alternative - of course, if most of us will be fine with that.


Saturday seems to be the perfect day for most people that attend, including myself.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:51 am

Celritannia wrote:
-Astoria wrote:Friday is a better alternative - of course, if most of us will be fine with that.


Saturday seems to be the perfect day for most people that attend, including myself.

Saturday seems to be suiting me just fine so far.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:53 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Saturday seems to be the perfect day for most people that attend, including myself.

Saturday seems to be suiting me just fine so far.


Saturday is the best day for me.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:54 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Saturday seems to be suiting me just fine so far.


Saturday is the best day for me.

Yeah, this is what I thought. Sorry Menassa, but it seems that Saturday enables the most people to participate.
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Postby Menassa » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:59 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Saturday is the best day for me.

Yeah, this is what I thought. Sorry Menassa, but it seems that Saturday enables the most people to participate.

Doesn't bother me none.
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"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
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Against.

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Postby -Astoria » Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:57 am

Anyways, what's the time for the next one?

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9 pm saturday
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