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Love
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54%
Money
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46%
 
Total votes : 133

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Chernoslavia
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:54 am

Diahon wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This is a new nation? Why you make new nation?


GVH make fire. Duhon fight fire with fire. Mod ban Duhon.


You didn't ''fight fire with fire'' you just let people know that it's easy to push your buttons which was likely his intention lol.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:16 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Sex is not always degrading but it can be in certain instances like prostitution.


Why is prostitution degrading?

Presumably because God said so.


Rojava Free State wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Tbh even your phrasing here, that their body/sexual services are "themself", is kinda sexist. I don't think you mean it, but it definitely comes across that way.


Is their body not a part of them? I wouldn't say it is sexist at all because I dont mean that a prostitute is only a body. Clearly they're a person with feelings and thoughts and they deserve their basic rights. The prostitutes aren't worthless, nor are they only worth the price people pay them. It's a disgrace that some people think that is their worth alone.

That's how every job works under capitalism.
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Rojava Free State
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:41 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Why is prostitution degrading?

Presumably because God said so.


Rojava Free State wrote:
Is their body not a part of them? I wouldn't say it is sexist at all because I dont mean that a prostitute is only a body. Clearly they're a person with feelings and thoughts and they deserve their basic rights. The prostitutes aren't worthless, nor are they only worth the price people pay them. It's a disgrace that some people think that is their worth alone.

That's how every job works under capitalism.


Unfortunately yes, which is why my workplace is one of the most dangerous places in the county and should be anything but, and why when a customer bitches us out over stupid crap and we stand up for ourselves, corporate gets far angrier at us than at the troublesome customer.
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:54 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Nouveau Yathrib wrote:
If I'm interpreting the OP correctly, I would still be filthy rich even if I give 99% (maybe even 99.9%) of my wealth away, whether to friends and family or to the betterment of humanity. In which case I would still need to deal with the consequences of foregoing guaranteed true love for a possibly tumultuous and drama-filled personal life.

Maybe I'm still reeling from the aftershock of Parasite (which I saw last weekend), or maybe I'm too firm a believer in Disney fairytales.

It's not the worst thing to live without a romantic relationship especially when you realize that God loves you more than anyone is capable. If I had $100 billion to give to the church I would do it in a heartbeat. No one needs all of that money individually, and to hoard all of that would make it extremely difficult to get into heaven.


I would find this more comforting if I were a believer, kuya. (Guessing from your posts in this thread that you may be Filipino). But I'd be more likely to pick the money if the conditions in the OP were phrased differently.
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:55 pm

Interesting to see the results change over the weekend.
I still can't believe that Brazil lost to Germany 1:7. Copy and paste onto your sig if you were alive when this happened.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:08 pm

Nouveau Yathrib wrote:Interesting to see the results change over the weekend.


The forces of the Disneyland is making a real come back in the polls

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:43 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Nouveau Yathrib wrote:Interesting to see the results change over the weekend.


The forces of the Disneyland is making a real come back in the polls


A whole new woooooooorld...

Although technically he got both love and money...

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:38 am

Albrenia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
The forces of the Disneyland is making a real come back in the polls


A whole new woooooooorld...

Although technically he got both love and money...


That is true

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Postby Sundiata » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:54 pm

Ankenland wrote:Why would you give this money to Opus Dei, and not something else?
I thought about this for a few days. Ultimately, the reason I'd give $100 billion dollars to Opus Dei is because I sincerely believe it be the work of God.

Because I have an obligation to the Lord, to give to Opus Dei is to give to the Lord.

Do you think that people need your particular religion more than healthcare, education, disaster relief, etc?
Absolutely, but that isn't to denigrate material development. I just think that there's no point in being wealthy or prosperous without God at the center.

What if people, themselves, would rather have material human development index from you, instead of more of your favorite religion? Would it be better to give them what they want and materially need, than to give them what they do not want but which you think they immaterially need?
Tough question.

I want the poorest of the poor to live prosperous and high quality lives. As a Catholic, I have that obligation to them because when we pass by the least amongst us, we pass by Christ himself. However, providing material goods without Catholicism is a recipe for disaster.

This is because material prosperity is not an end to itself, but a means the end that is sanctification. Wealth is not supposed to be the center of our existence.
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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:13 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Ankenland wrote:Why would you give this money to Opus Dei, and not something else?
I thought about this for a few days. Ultimately, the reason I'd give $100 billion dollars to Opus Dei is because I sincerely believe it be the work of God.

Because I have an obligation to the Lord, to give to Opus Dei is to give to the Lord.

Do you think that people need your particular religion more than healthcare, education, disaster relief, etc?
Absolutely, but that isn't to denigrate material development. I just think that there's no point in being wealthy or prosperous without God at the center.

What if people, themselves, would rather have material human development index from you, instead of more of your favorite religion? Would it be better to give them what they want and materially need, than to give them what they do not want but which you think they immaterially need?
Tough question.

I want the poorest of the poor to live prosperous and high quality lives. As a Catholic, I have that obligation to them because when we pass by the least amongst us, we pass by Christ himself. However, providing material goods without Catholicism is a recipe for disaster.

This is because material prosperity is not an end to itself, but a means the end that is sanctification. Wealth is not supposed to be the center of our existence.


Wait, Opus Dei... you mean from the Da Vinci Code?

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Postby Sundiata » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:36 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I thought about this for a few days. Ultimately, the reason I'd give $100 billion dollars to Opus Dei is because I sincerely believe it be the work of God.

Because I have an obligation to the Lord, to give to Opus Dei is to give to the Lord.

Absolutely, but that isn't to denigrate material development. I just think that there's no point in being wealthy or prosperous without God at the center.

Tough question.

I want the poorest of the poor to live prosperous and high quality lives. As a Catholic, I have that obligation to them because when we pass by the least amongst us, we pass by Christ himself. However, providing material goods without Catholicism is a recipe for disaster.

This is because material prosperity is not an end to itself, but a means the end that is sanctification. Wealth is not supposed to be the center of our existence.


Wait, Opus Dei... you mean from the Da Vinci Code?

Opus Dei is real.

However, its fictional depiction in the Da Vinci Code is wildly exaggerated.
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