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Choose your favourite NSG Bulwer-Lytton Competition entry:

Poll ended at Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:12 am

Dumb Ideologies 1
3
9%
Dumb Ideologies 2
6
18%
Piraccas
1
3%
Cannot think of a name
10
29%
Hurdergaryp
5
15%
Bombadil
2
6%
Forsher
3
9%
Czechostan
1
3%
An Alan Smithee Nation
1
3%
Pax Nerdvana
2
6%
 
Total votes : 34

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:06 pm

Thanks for running this, Arch! I wasn't expecting to be a finalist.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:14 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:Thanks for running this, Arch! I wasn't expecting to be a finalist.


Ditto, specifically on thanks to Arch, a well run show.
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:26 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Just throwing this out there, has anyone considered requiring monetary payment for votes to ensure they're more meaningful.. I haven't thought of a word for this system but I'm pretty sure it will work.



'It's the taking part that counts' was always a lie.

There is no participation trophy for Bulwar-Lytton, he said as he didnt even get a honorable mention even when plagiarizing classic literature.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:59 am

Bombadil wrote:Just throwing this out there, has anyone considered requiring monetary payment for votes to ensure they're more meaningful.. I haven't thought of a word for this system but I'm pretty sure it will work.


It's been possible for years to subscribe to NS. One gains a few small benefits like making more TG's at once.

The money goes to NS not to the mod running the competition, not much conflict of interest there.

But for one thing, I doubt Arch would be part of such a blatant commercial promotion.
For another thing, enabling voting only for some users (subscribers) would require code modification and a reboot.


Just vote for the one you like best, and accept that Dumb Ideologies is going to win because she's got the most friends. ;)
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:35 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Just throwing this out there, has anyone considered requiring monetary payment for votes to ensure they're more meaningful.. I haven't thought of a word for this system but I'm pretty sure it will work.


It's been possible for years to subscribe to NS. One gains a few small benefits like making more TG's at once.

The money goes to NS not to the mod running the competition, not much conflict of interest there.

But for one thing, I doubt Arch would be part of such a blatant commercial promotion.


I think Bombadil was joking; but rest assured that Bombadil's attempt to suggest naked bribery is as likely to conquer me as the One Ring is to conquer Bombadil.

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Postby Bombadil » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:25 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
It's been possible for years to subscribe to NS. One gains a few small benefits like making more TG's at once.

The money goes to NS not to the mod running the competition, not much conflict of interest there.

But for one thing, I doubt Arch would be part of such a blatant commercial promotion.


I think Bombadil was joking; but rest assured that Bombadil's attempt to suggest naked bribery is as likely to conquer me as the One Ring is to conquer Bombadil.


Ironically enough Xero paid for my no-ads-on-NS status for reasons I cannot recall.. having said that..

..can I have my £5 back then..?

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Just vote for the one you like best, and accept that Dumb Ideologies is going to win because she's got the most friends. ;)


I voted for Mr. Smithee's entry despite questions as to the strategic value of Prestatyn after King's Lynn.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:23 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Just throwing this out there, has anyone considered requiring monetary payment for votes to ensure they're more meaningful.. I haven't thought of a word for this system but I'm pretty sure it will work.


It's been possible for years to subscribe to NS. One gains a few small benefits like making more TG's at once.

The money goes to NS not to the mod running the competition, not much conflict of interest there.

But for one thing, I doubt Arch would be part of such a blatant commercial promotion.
For another thing, enabling voting only for some users (subscribers) would require code modification and a reboot.


Just vote for the one you like best, and accept that Dumb Ideologies is going to win because she's got the most friends. ;)


Alternatively DI is too weird and awkward to have friends, an underappreciated piece of backroom furniture that occasionally needs moving into the main room and a bit of vote-based buff and polish to keep looking cheerful.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:37 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
It's been possible for years to subscribe to NS. One gains a few small benefits like making more TG's at once.

The money goes to NS not to the mod running the competition, not much conflict of interest there.

But for one thing, I doubt Arch would be part of such a blatant commercial promotion.
For another thing, enabling voting only for some users (subscribers) would require code modification and a reboot.


Just vote for the one you like best, and accept that Dumb Ideologies is going to win because she's got the most friends. ;)

Alternatively DI is too weird and awkward to have friends, an underappreciated piece of backroom furniture that occasionally needs moving into the main room and a bit of vote-based buff and polish to keep looking cheerful.

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Postby Grenartia » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:53 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Alternatively DI is too weird and awkward to have friends, an underappreciated piece of backroom furniture that occasionally needs moving into the main room and a bit of vote-based buff and polish to keep looking cheerful.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:11 am

Most of them are funny, which is good writing in a sense. Some are outright jokes, including puns. I would keep reading such a book.

Forsher wrote:
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This is bad, very bad. Second place, since the humor of incongruity at the end comes close to working as humor. I would put this book back on the shelf.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:15 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Alternatively DI is too weird and awkward to have friends, an underappreciated piece of backroom furniture that occasionally needs moving into the main room and a bit of vote-based buff and polish to keep looking cheerful.


Sorry DI. Would it creep you out if I said you have more admirers than friends?
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Postby Forsher » Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:00 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Most of them are funny, which is good writing in a sense. Some are outright jokes, including puns. I would keep reading such a book.

Forsher wrote:
As the heavenly bodies rose in the East, casting their gloried light over a rolling plain resplendent with the life of spring and the labour of the goodly creatures, from the littlest bee to the galloping horses, the armies that brought chaos, war and suffering to half a continent heaved and bellowed in a foetid stench of man, beast and metal, unaware of their impending destruction; for, as the armies stilled, that golden host crested the western hill, glittering in their fine satin underwear and gleaming with silver charm bracelets.

This is bad, very bad. Second place, since the humour of incongruity at the end comes close to working as humour. I would put this book back on the shelf.


Admit it, the only reason you don't find it funny is because lots of fantasy novels really do have characters dressed like that.

If you ever feel the need to imagine what the rest of the book would look like... there'll be lots of:

  • [eye colour] met [eye colour],
  • the [description, usually hair colour] [verb] [action], and
  • endless pages of dialogue with no description and [character name] said as the only interruption.

Aren't I just an amazing writer?

In any case, I prefer the evil Google sentence. At least that had an interesting premise. That one is just generic fantasy... although I do like the phrase "goodly creatures".
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:46 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
It's been possible for years to subscribe to NS. One gains a few small benefits like making more TG's at once.

The money goes to NS not to the mod running the competition, not much conflict of interest there.

But for one thing, I doubt Arch would be part of such a blatant commercial promotion.


I think Bombadil was joking; but rest assured that Bombadil's attempt to suggest naked bribery is as likely to conquer me as the One Ring is to conquer Bombadil.

Drat!
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:24 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:I was kinda hoping for a dishonorable mention for my Bulwer-Lytton double feature:

It being the best of lines and the worst of lines. :P


While I appreciated the double Bulwer-Lytton allusion, I usually gave preference to entries that weren't direct literary references (sorry, Ethel); and particularly entries that didn't directly reference 'a dark and stormy night'.

You might have mentioned that. :P

The Archregimancy wrote:I think Bombadil was joking; but rest assured that Bombadil's attempt to suggest naked bribery is as likely to conquer me as the One Ring is to conquer Bombadil.

Would well-dressed bribery work?

In any case, Old Tom has no need of trinkets like the One Ring.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:07 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
While I appreciated the double Bulwer-Lytton allusion, I usually gave preference to entries that weren't direct literary references (sorry, Ethel); and particularly entries that didn't directly reference 'a dark and stormy night'.

You might have mentioned that. :P

The Archregimancy wrote:I think Bombadil was joking; but rest assured that Bombadil's attempt to suggest naked bribery is as likely to conquer me as the One Ring is to conquer Bombadil.

Would well-dressed bribery work?

In any case, Old Tom has no need of trinkets like the One Ring.

It's all starting to make sense now.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:40 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:You might have mentioned that. :P


Would well-dressed bribery work?

In any case, Old Tom has no need of trinkets like the One Ring.

It's all starting to make sense now.

Which might be detrimental to your psychological condition.


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Postby Bombadil » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:49 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:You might have mentioned that. :P


Would well-dressed bribery work?

In any case, Old Tom has no need of trinkets like the One Ring.

It's all starting to make sense now.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:59 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:It's all starting to make sense now.

Which might be detrimental to your psychological condition.



Pfft, cant fall out of the gutter
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:59 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:It's all starting to make sense now.


Slanderous lies spread by Old Man Willow.


That was a great article
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:56 am

Congratulations to the top ten finalists. Very good bad writing all 'round; I'm enjoying reading them all again!

A very enjoyable competition.

Thanks to Arch for running it.
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Postby Forsher » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:38 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Just a gentle reminder that there's still roughly 24 hours left to vote; the poll will close on the 12th.


Vote for Forsher! It's the longest bad sentence!

And, also, Nobel Hobos 2 is kind of right... the others are too good to win. That gravel sentence by CTOAN is hilarious. (Okay, Hurdergaryp and Bombadil's entries are at least as deliberately off putting, but this is trying to convince you to vote for Forsher's sentence. That Hurdergaryp's sentence is here is why I say NH2's only kind of right.)
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Forsher wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Most of them are funny, which is good writing in a sense. Some are outright jokes, including puns. I would keep reading such a book.

Forsher wrote:
As the heavenly bodies rose in the East, casting their gloried light over a rolling plain resplendent with the life of spring and the labour of the goodly creatures, from the littlest bee to the galloping horses, the armies that brought chaos, war and suffering to half a continent heaved and bellowed in a foetid stench of man, beast and metal, unaware of their impending destruction; for, as the armies stilled, that golden host crested the western hill, glittering in their fine satin underwear and gleaming with silver charm bracelets.

This is bad, very bad. Second place, since the humour of incongruity at the end comes close to working as humour. I would put this book back on the shelf.


Admit it, the only reason you don't find it funny is because lots of fantasy novels really do have characters dressed like that.


Honestly, I haven't read much fantasy and I didn't even recognize the genre you were defiling.

I read a couple of Pratchetts but wasn't much happier for it. Is Pratchett fantasy?

If you ever feel the need to imagine what the rest of the book would look like... there'll be lots of:

  • [eye colour] met [eye colour],
  • the [description, usually hair colour] [verb] [action], and
  • endless pages of dialogue with no description and [character name] said as the only interruption.

Aren't I just an amazing writer?


A wincingly bad first sentence does not mean an eye-gougingly bad book. But I'm sure you have one in you!
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Postby Forsher » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:06 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Forsher wrote:
Admit it, the only reason you don't find it funny is because lots of fantasy novels really do have characters dressed like that.


Honestly, I haven't read much fantasy and I didn't even recognize the genre you were defiling.

I read a couple of Pratchetts but wasn't much happier for it. Is Pratchett fantasy?


Discworld, yes. Technically, the first ones might be considered parodies of fantasy, but they pretty quickly evolved into satires of the real world set on an increasingly modernised fantasy world. But there's wiz(z)ards, demons, gods, magic and heroes. Classic fantasy. However, most of them are not of the "armies gathering on the horizon" type (Jingo and Monstrous Regiment... maybe Thud, fall in this category; actually, Jingo, Soul Music and The Last Continent are the Discworlds to look at, imo, if you're willing to give Pratchett another shot).

Some of his other books might not be but aside from the Long Earth (sci-fi, definitely sci-fi) I can't think of any off the top of my head.

If you ever feel the need to imagine what the rest of the book would look like... there'll be lots of:

  • [eye colour] met [eye colour],
  • the [description, usually hair colour] [verb] [action], and
  • endless pages of dialogue with no description and [character name] said as the only interruption.

Aren't I just an amazing writer?


A wincingly bad first sentence does not mean an eye-gougingly bad book. But I'm sure you have one in you!


I'm much better (albeit relative to a low base) when the (third person omniscient) narrator is a sarcastic little shit. Actually, it's amazing how many of those there are... Vanity Fair's actually quite like this too (I refuse to dress my characters in setting appropriate costumes because those were fugly is basically a quote).

Sadly, what I've been working on is fanfics that are trying to not be sarcastic. So, I guess, I'm making good process on the eye=gougingly bad follow up sentences.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:35 am

Forsher wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Honestly, I haven't read much fantasy and I didn't even recognize the genre you were defiling.

I read a couple of Pratchetts but wasn't much happier for it. Is Pratchett fantasy?


Discworld, yes. Technically, the first ones might be considered parodies of fantasy, but they pretty quickly evolved into satires of the real world set on an increasingly modernised fantasy world. But there's wiz(z)ards, demons, gods, magic and heroes. Classic fantasy. However, most of them are not of the "armies gathering on the horizon" type (Jingo and Monstrous Regiment... maybe Thud, fall in this category; actually, Jingo, Soul Music and The Last Continent are the Discworlds to look at, imo, if you're willing to give Pratchett another shot).

Some of his other books might not be but aside from the Long Earth (sci-fi, definitely sci-fi) I can't think of any off the top of my head.


A wincingly bad first sentence does not mean an eye-gougingly bad book. But I'm sure you have one in you!


I'm much better (albeit relative to a low base) when the (third person omniscient) narrator is a sarcastic little shit. Actually, it's amazing how many of those there are... Vanity Fair's actually quite like this too (I refuse to dress my characters in setting appropriate costumes because those were fugly is basically a quote).

Sadly, what I've been working on is fanfics that are trying to not be sarcastic. So, I guess, I'm making good process on the eye=gougingly bad follow up sentences.

I really should read Discworld one of these days, considering how much I liked the Long Earth books.
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