LWDT IX: Discussing the Left From All Engels

[Rojava Free State]

I have a question for all the leftists here, at least those that support LGBT rights and such and support racial equality. How do you reconcile these two when the black community is immensely "homophobic" and "transphobic?" I mean, leftists seem to love racial equality, yet they also support LGBT rights, so how do you put two and two together?

Because I don't unequivocally support "black rights." I believe that many black Americans are struggling to survive and deserve a better life, like anyone else, and I don't treat people differently just because of their skin tone, but when a black man is on some bullshit, I don't hesitate to get it going. There is a shitload of racism, homophobia, and sexism in black america. I know some people give it a pass cause "black people were victims historically" but I don't accept racism or sexism or hemophobia from anyone. There is no excuse for that shit.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I have a question for all the leftists here, at least those that support LGBT rights and such and support racial equality. How do you reconcile these two when the black community is immensely "homophobic" and "transphobic?" I mean, leftists seem to love racial equality, yet they also support LGBT rights, so how do you put two and two together?

LGBT and political correctness that's the right.Neoliberal.The thing of black brothers is the freedom of others. Why intervene and comment on them? Why special black people

[Cekoviu]

I have a question for all the leftists here, at least those that support LGBT rights and such and support racial equality. How do you reconcile these two when the black community is immensely "homophobic" and "transphobic?" I mean, leftists seem to love racial equality, yet they also support LGBT rights, so how do you put two and two together?

LGBT and political correctness that's the right.Neoliberal.The thing of black brothers is the freedom of others. Why intervene and comment on them? Why special black people

i english can't overstand you're what saying

[Stylan]

I have a question for all the leftists here, at least those that support LGBT rights and such and support racial equality. How do you reconcile these two when the black community is immensely "homophobic" and "transphobic?" I mean, leftists seem to love racial equality, yet they also support LGBT rights, so how do you put two and two together?

Because I don't unequivocally support "black rights." I believe that many black Americans are struggling to survive and deserve a better life, like anyone else, and I don't treat people differently just because of their skin tone, but when a black man is on some bullshit, I don't hesitate to get it going. There is a shitload of racism, homophobia, and sexism in black america. I know some people give it a pass cause "black people were victims historically" but I don't accept racism or sexism or hemophobia from anyone. There is no excuse for that shit.

Most of your leftist comrades would call you racist.

[Stylan]

Because leftists never seem to criticize that aspect of black culture. And they also seem to believe blacks are exempt from criticism.

k lol

Can you actually answer my question?

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

What do people here think of Tucker Carlson? Considering how often he goes on long rants about class and inequality

[Stylan]

What do people here think of Tucker Carlson? Considering how often he goes on long rants about class and inequality

Carlson is pretty "based."

But then again I'm not a leftist so.

[The Alma Mater]

How are those supposed to be contradictory?
Black people should have the same rights as white people, and neither of those groups have the right to discriminate against gay and trans people. Where is the problem here?

Because leftists never seem to criticize that aspect of black culture. And they also seem to believe blacks are exempt from criticism.

Where is that ? Because over here they certainly do not think so...
Replace black by muslim however and you are 100% right.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

LGBT and political correctness that's the right.Neoliberal.The thing of black brothers is the freedom of others. Why intervene and comment on them? Why special black people

i english can't overstand you're what saying

They are right,they are not left ,they are Neoliberal.

[Aureumterra]

What do people here think of Tucker Carlson? Considering how often he goes on long rants about class and inequality

Peak auth unity guy?

[Valrifell]

k lol

Can you actually answer my question?

It's a stupid question that tries to peddle a false dichotomy to pwn the leftists. It's a goofy premise.

[Valrifell]

What do people here think of Tucker Carlson? Considering how often he goes on long rants about class and inequality

I know so little about Tucker Carlson that every time some rightist asks what I think of him I have to blank stare for a couple seconds as my brain processes the request.

[Rojava Free State]

What do people here think of Tucker Carlson? Considering how often he goes on long rants about class and inequality

I support Tucker's views on fighting the upper class. That being said, I think he's said some really fucked up shit, like Iraqis are monkeys, child marriage is okay, etc.

[The New California Republic]

I have a question for all the leftists here, at least those that support LGBT rights and such and support racial equality. How do you reconcile these two when the black community is immensely "homophobic" and "transphobic?" I mean, leftists seem to love racial equality, yet they also support LGBT rights, so how do you put two and two together?

LGBT and political correctness that's the right.Neoliberal.The thing of black brothers is the freedom of others. Why intervene and comment on them? Why special black people

...dafuq?

[Rojava Free State]

Because leftists never seem to criticize that aspect of black culture. And they also seem to believe blacks are exempt from criticism.

Where is that ? Because over here they certainly do not think so...
Replace black by muslim however and you are 100% right.

I can't stand Islam tbh. I view Islam the same way I view any other system of oppression out there, ranging from late stage capitalism to Maoism to Nazism to Baathism.

[Cekoviu]

k lol

Can you actually answer my question?

It's a nonsense question based on nonsense premises. Directly answering it would imply that I consider your premises valid, which they are clearly not.

[Stylan]

Can you actually answer my question?

It's a nonsense question based on nonsense premises. Directly answering it would imply that I consider your premises valid, which they are clearly not.

It really isn't.

So far no one in this thread has been able to answer why leftists continue to ignore the rampant homophobia and transphobia in black communities. Pretty much the only people who care about LGBT rights are white people.

[Cisairse]

In pre-capitalist times, land was owned by noble lords and serfs worked on that land. When the Burghers tool over, land could be freely traded to anyone

Feudalism is not pre-capitalism, really. Feudalism is capitalism when you take away government oversight, in Europe's case after the collapse of the Roman empire.

I still don't understand why people think fascism is right wing

You can have a definition of the left-right dichotomy that means fascism is not right-wing. However, I don't know how you would do that.

Like, if your definition of right-wing is a smaller government and left wing is a bigger government, then it makes sense. However, that's not a very useful dichotomy, since that would place fascism on the left, even though they murdered leftists by the hundreds of thousands, and it would place ancoms on the far right, together with ancaps.

In a useful dichotomy, right-wing ideologies are about conservatism and individual responsibility, preferably under capitalism. Fascism was probably the most aggresively conservative movement in history, with a capitalist system where the individual was seen as responsible for his own fate. That's an extreme right wing ideology.

stems from the dumb, arguably interwar cultured, left-right dichotomy used by 90% of the population where the extremes represent communism and fascism (and the center is muh liberalism)

What a convoluted way of saying that your definition of the dichotomy is used by a minimal minority of people.

But the house/apartment won't be there unless you know how to build it or can pay other people to build it. If you're paying a land-lord or land-lady for shelter, it's a good assumption that you're not capable of doing the aforementioned things. Even in more horizontal economies, the option to pay rent instead of investing in a house is a nice option to have.

You have to see that the concept of investment is a flawed one if you want to achieve an egalitarian society. Investment leads to a snowballing effect, where people with money can make money simply by investing the money they already have. This is literally the rich becoming richer, and not really doing anything for it except having money. This is already cause for concern, but it becomes ghastly when you look at the housing market. The demand for housing is inflexible: people are by necessity forced to have shelter. So, you are not providing a free service. Providing housing, in that sense, is much like healthcare, because everyone needs it.

Rent, then, is proportional to land value. The higher the land value, the higher the price. However, land value attracts the most blood-thirsty vultures of society, whose are literally only a drain on people: land speculators. These 'individuals' buy up land and hope it increases in value so they can sell at a profit. Now, having tennants decreases the value of a property, and it causes a lot of overhead, so these land speculators do not open up their properties to tennants. This has three big effects:
1. The housing supply is limited;
2. Demand is increased simply by having speculators;
3. The land value is driven through the roof, leading to higher rents.

This leads to this graph:

This shows that rents as a percentage of income are on the rise. More and more money goes up to rent. This means that, since people cannot choose to pay rent, the disposable income of people is deminished. Another result of this is that it is a hyper-powered way of increasing income inequality. Those with enough money to buy a home can invest, paying far less for their mortgage than poorer people pay in rent. All the time, landlords are taking up a large percentage of people's income without really providing a valuable service in return.

This is the biggest shortcoming, in my opinion. Landlords don't do much to earn an enormous share of income. The services they provide, like repairs and cleaning, can be achieved at a fraction of the cost if an appartment building was held communally. The only thing they really do is have ownership of a building. Under law, they happen to own a property that is necessary for people's survival. And why do they own that building? Because they had money to invest into that building to begin with. It's the simple result of some people being so rich that they can afford to invest in one. This, together with land speculation, is the reason for high rents that excede the cost of maintenance.

If we want to achieve an equal and just society, landlords need to go. There are various solutions to the problem, and leftists will literally murder each other for saying the wrong solution to the landlord issue, but right now the most feasible thing we can do is abolish land speculation, abolish private ownership of housing, and let the state take care of home construction. That would be expensive, but it would destroy high land prices in the biggest cities. In return, people would have their houses assigned, and have to take care of the maintenance for themselves. The state has to pay some more for this, but it also frees up around 25% of people's income to invest in the economy. Especially for the poor, this could make a world of difference, and a lot of that money would be spent locally rather than going into the yacht fund of some rich trust fund kid.

Tl;dr: ownership of housing is a drain on the economy and leads to immense income inequality. Rent is a poverty tax, and a tax that is not subject to the democratic will of the majority but rather to the whims of vultures. It's a legal fiction we should do away with.

I agree

[Cisairse]

What do people here think of Tucker Carlson? Considering how often he goes on long rants about class and inequality

Corporate hack.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I have a question for all the leftists here, at least those that support LGBT rights and such and support racial equality. How do you reconcile these two when the black community is immensely "homophobic" and "transphobic?" I mean, leftists seem to love racial equality, yet they also support LGBT rights, so how do you put two and two together?

Do you think all black people should be oppressed on unrelated issues because of the homophobia of a few people who happen to be black?

Here’s the trick: don’t ascribe traits like ‘homophobia’ to people on the basis of their skin colour. Because you can make that distinction in any way: why do you care about both group x and y, while x hates y?

Why do you care about men and women, while many men hate women?
Why do you care about bakers and red wine, while many bakers hate red wine?
Why do you care about people called Derek and carrots, while many people who are called Derek hate carrots?

What you said is just as sensible as these things.

[Rojava Free State]

It's a nonsense question based on nonsense premises. Directly answering it would imply that I consider your premises valid, which they are clearly not.

It really isn't.

So far no one in this thread has been able to answer why leftists continue to ignore the rampant homophobia and transphobia in black communities. Pretty much the only people who care about LGBT rights are white people.

I mean I care about LGBT rights and I'm not white, so does that make me some kind of oddity?

[Rojava Free State]

Because I don't unequivocally support "black rights." I believe that many black Americans are struggling to survive and deserve a better life, like anyone else, and I don't treat people differently just because of their skin tone, but when a black man is on some bullshit, I don't hesitate to get it going. There is a shitload of racism, homophobia, and sexism in black america. I know some people give it a pass cause "black people were victims historically" but I don't accept racism or sexism or hemophobia from anyone. There is no excuse for that shit.

Most of your leftist comrades would call you racist.

A very large number of them would not. #1 because they aren't just your average slightly left of center Obama lover, #2 because even if they thought that way, they would seem awfully strange calling a person of color racist. After all, "I can't be racist cause I don't have power."

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

What do people here think of Tucker Carlson? Considering how often he goes on long rants about class and inequality

The man will say whatever will give him an audience. He has talked way more about his racism, autocracy and xenophobia than his economic views, which are dogshit as well.

But I guess you would like these elements.

[Rojava Free State]

What do people here think of Tucker Carlson? Considering how often he goes on long rants about class and inequality

The man will say whatever will give him an audience. He has talked way more about his racism, autocracy and xenophobia than his economic views, which are dogshit as well.

But I guess you would like these elements.

The only person who I find to be more insufferable is Ann Coulter. Her "logic" and "free thought" are equivalent to an angry 12 year old gamer.

[Northern Davincia]

What do people here think of Tucker Carlson? Considering how often he goes on long rants about class and inequality

Corporate hack.

That's my job.