LWDT IX: Discussing the Left From All Engels

[Salus Maior]

......That's not at all what "Republic" means. It means a representative government.

Typically done via electing political representatives to form a government.

Republic refers to the state, not the government. It is "representative" in the sense that republics derive legitimacy from public ownership (ie the state is the representation of the people), but it is not "representative" in the sense that actual named "representatives" are holding the levers of power in the government.

Republic, form of government in which a state is ruled by representatives of the citizen body. Modern republics are founded on the idea that sovereignty rests with the people, though who is included and excluded from the category of the people has varied across history. Because citizens do not govern the state themselves but through representatives, republics may be distinguished from direct democracy, though modern representative democracies are by and large republics. The term republic may also be applied to any form of government in which the head of state is not a hereditary monarch.

—Encyclopædia Britannica. In the non-democratic Nazi Germany, Hitler ruled as the representative of the citizen body. Nazi Germany was a republic. It was not a democracy, there were no real elections (during the non-democratic phase of the state, that is), etc. But it was a republic, as it was not a monarchy nor did the state derive its legitimacy from external means (such as military imposition).

Democracy, on the other hand, refers to an organization of government in which the general public exercises some degree of authority over decision-making.

"Republics, though often associated with democracy because of the shared principle of rule by consent of the governed, are not necessarily democracies, as republicanism does not specify how the people are to rule."

Then it's a meaningless definition.

[Carvio Saikesenassia]

Thoughts on Vietnam's partial privatization?

didnt go far enough

[Rojava Free State]

Thoughts on Vietnam's partial privatization?

didnt go far enough

They would really get my support if they ended the dictatorship.

[Carvio Saikesenassia]

didnt go far enough

They would really get my support if they ended the dictatorship.

really does remind me of china with the whole "perestroika w/o glasnost" dynamic

[Cisairse]

didnt go far enough

They would really get my support if they ended the dictatorship.

Dictatorship? Believe it or not, they have some separation of powers in Vietnam, and strict term limits for presidents. Of course they're still a Marxist—Leninst single-party state, but they aren't totalitarian like China.

[Nap the Magnificent]

didnt go far enough

They would really get my support if they ended the dictatorship.

Why should it end?

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Why is LWDT full of right wingers now

[Cisairse]

Why is LWDT full of right wingers now

Aren't you a fascist yourself?

[Aureumterra]

Why is LWDT full of right wingers now

Aren't you a fascist yourself?

Is it really right wing? Would nationalizing industry be considered right wing?

[Albrenia]

Why is LWDT full of right wingers now

Open borders man, it bit us in the arse.

[Cisairse]

Aren't you a fascist yourself?

Is it really right wing? Would nationalizing industry be considered right wing?

I always placed fascism as either authcenter or auth right-of-center.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

TIL the Roman Republic didn't have a hierarchy.

Why not? The people of the Roman Republic are divided into three classes: citizens, civilians and slaves.So was ancient Greece. They're a slave society

[Fahran]

Or we could not call people who provide essential services parasites simply because we're not living in a moneyless society. It leads to dark places.

[True Refuge]

Why is LWDT full of right wingers now

Aren't you a fascist yourself?

Fascism as an umbrella term is economically ambiguous.

[Proctopeo]

Or we could not call people who provide essential services parasites simply because we're not living in a moneyless society. It leads to dark places.

Worst case scenario, millions of deaths. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, but it's also paved with the skulls of the innocent and the incompetence of those in power.

Also, I do wait to see how quickly people jump at you for calling land renting an essential service. I don't entirely agree with the assessment but I do completely understand what you mean by using that term.

[Carvio Saikesenassia]

daily reminder that landlords are good so as long as they arent nimbys

[Liriena]

Started an anarchist Spain walkthrough in HOI4.

Now it's mid 1943 and I've almost unified all of Western Europe (except the Brits and the Irish) under the Global Defence Council. Turns out the key to anarchist success was having a huge airforce to rain freedom^TM upon fascists' tanks.

[Fahran]

Why is LWDT full of right wingers now

This was my question as well. Then again, I stole the word "degenerate" from the Neo-Nazis to use as an adjective to describe ideas that I feel degrade the social fabric in one way or another.

[Proctopeo]

Started an anarchist Spain walkthrough in HOI4.

Now it's mid 1943 and I've almost unified all of Western Europe (except the Brits and the Irish) under the Global Defence Council. Turns out the key to anarchist success was having a huge airforce to rain freedom^TM upon fascists' tanks.

Were the focuses historical, or did Germany do something weird? Seems odd to conquer fascists but also conquer France.

Over here I still don't have Man the Guns, much less Le Resistance, in part because I grew more interested in EU4 and CK2.

[Diahon]

Why is LWDT full of right wingers now

as albrenia said in rwdt -- open borders, yo, they be bitchin'

[Liriena]

Why is LWDT full of right wingers now

Like the early capitalists seized communal rural land, so too do online right-wingers seize our communal threads.

[Suburbistanistan]

Fascism as an umbrella term is economically ambiguous.

Fascist countries tend to have corporatist (a type of capitalism) economies- which means the countries were seen as organisms, and that meant every interest group, socioeconomic class, etc. was an organ (why fascists believe in class collaboration) in the state. This also entails the idea of the government being the "mediator." While there were large-scale public works projects, nationally-owned enterprises tended to be privatized. There were expropriations, but they were 'foreign' (read: owned by [insert scapegoat group here]) businesses that were given to the 'national' bourgeoisie.
This description also resembles that of social democracy, which is also economically corporatist, but it operates under a liberal framework instead of being the raw reaction of capital. Social democracies tend to be much more pro-labor than fascist countries.

[Liriena]

Started an anarchist Spain walkthrough in HOI4.

Now it's mid 1943 and I've almost unified all of Western Europe (except the Brits and the Irish) under the Global Defence Council. Turns out the key to anarchist success was having a huge airforce to rain freedom^TM upon fascists' tanks.

Were the focuses historical, or did Germany do something weird? Seems odd to conquer fascists but also conquer France.

Over here I still don't have Man the Guns, much less Le Resistance, in part because I grew more interested in EU4 and CK2.

Well, Le Resistance adds a new focus tree specific to Spain, and adds a couple new outcomes. Anarchist Spain is not the same as democratic or communist Republican Spain anymore. Anarchist Spain is a "non-aligned" commune that can't join any factions but can wage war to "expand" the revolution abroad. Which means that, when the Germans took France and the Benelux, I was allowed to then take France and the Benelux from them, because neither France nor the Benelux are on my side either.

Playing anarchist Spain is basically a free for all.

[True Refuge]

Fascism as an umbrella term is economically ambiguous.

Fascist countries tend to have corporatist (a type of capitalism) economies- which means the countries were seen as organisms, and that meant every interest group, socioeconomic class, etc. was an organ (why fascists believe in class collaboration) in the state. This also entails the idea of the government being the "mediator." While there were large-scale public works projects, nationally-owned enterprises tended to be privatized. There were expropriations, but they were 'foreign' (read: owned by [insert scapegoat group here]) businesses that were given to the 'national' bourgeoisie.
This description also resembles that of social democracy, which is also economically corporatist, but it operates under a liberal framework instead of being the raw reaction of capital. Social democracies tend to be much more pro-labor than fascist countries.

In practice, yes. There's a lot of fascist ideologies that haven't been put into practice such as Strasserism that occupy a variety of spots on the economic axis.

[Proctopeo]

Were the focuses historical, or did Germany do something weird? Seems odd to conquer fascists but also conquer France.

Over here I still don't have Man the Guns, much less Le Resistance, in part because I grew more interested in EU4 and CK2.

Well, Le Resistance adds a new focus tree specific to Spain, and adds a couple new outcomes. Anarchist Spain is not the same as democratic or communist Republican Spain anymore. Anarchist Spain is a "non-aligned" commune that can't join any factions but can wage war to "expand" the revolution abroad. Which means that, when the Germans took France and the Benelux, I was allowed to then take France and the Benelux from them, because neither France nor the Benelux are on my side either.

Playing anarchist Spain is basically a free for all.

Ah, that makes sense. Reminds me of my Freegypt campaign right before Man the Guns, where for some unknown reason, the peace deal AI broke and let me take most of everything, including all of France. Now, I was the main force behind kicking Italy's ass, but still, that made no sense.