Duvniask wrote:Novus America wrote:The DSA largely just wants more welfare handouts anyways. Many DSA are often more “the government should pay my tuition even if I just get smashed and do not even show up to class, government should pay for my Starbucks to help with my hang” over actual “revolution” or even socialism.
The DSA is largely just want a Nordic style welfare state, MINUS the social obligations it requires to work (tell the many DSA Sweden has conscription and their mind would be utterly blown).
Conscription has literally nothing to do with it.
"government should pay for my Starbucks", Jesus Christ, this is like some Fox News, Boomer type shit.
No, conscription does have a lot to do with it. I am not against social democracy, just the Sanders/DSA misunderstanding of it. Social democracy is a much more than just more welfare, it is a social contract, nothing is “free”. Society has an obligation to you, but you have obligations to society (such as fighting to defend it). Thus saying free healthcare and free college shows a complete misunderstanding of it.
That is the problem, wanting “free” stuff without paying back to society in return.
I have no problem with government subsidized education as long as it comes with strict grade and attendance requirements (do not show up for class, you should lose any government payment for the classes you missed unless you have a really good excuse) and you pay it back in contributions to society.
The truth is we have “free” college. It is called ROTC and the GI Bill.
Anecdotal but telling.
I had a class at 8 in the morning. There were maybe 150 people in the class, 15 military (obvious who was because we always wore uniforms and usually sat together).
There was no class penalty for attendance (but for military students we could be disciplined by our military program for missing class). By the middle of the semester there were only about 20 students, all 15 military and some five civilians showing up.
Why should those who did not show up get the same government funding as the military students given out greater discipline and social requirements (we did community service as well like cleaning up the campus)?
Nothing is free. If you want something without the monetary expense someone else is still paying a cost, if you are not. Society should provide for basic needs, BUT their should be societal obligations in return.
The Nordics understand that, but it seems many in the DSA might not.