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What kind of Leftist are you?

Centrist/Moderate/Third wayer.
17
12%
Social Liberal
10
7%
Social Democrat
22
16%
Green Progressive
7
5%
Democratic Socialist
25
18%
Marxist Communist
19
14%
Anarchist Communist
20
14%
Other (please state)
20
14%
 
Total votes : 140

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Audioslavia
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Postby Audioslavia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:12 am

Las Islas de Metanoia wrote:Hey there Mr. Reporter who got me temp banned even when I explicitly said I won't report you for the insults you hurled at me first. I will never forget your ingrate and callous nature.


This is an excellent way of going straight back to ban. This isn't the place to be dredging up old grudges.

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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:15 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How many of you here view the Russian Revolution favorably?

I’m inclined to view the February Revolution favourably. But I’m a Menshevik rather than a Bolshevik. Red October was a bloody coup by antidemocratic forces and should be viewed as such.

Yes, exactly. Things could've been fine, but the Petrograd Soviet was power-hungry to the extreme.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:15 am

Kowani wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How many of you here view the Russian Revolution favorably?

The Revolution itself, fine. Tsardom needed to die.
What followed, not so much.

I think most history scholars nowadays agree that the autocracy of the Tsar needed to end, but Kerensky's decision not to end Russian involvement in the war was fatal for the Prov Gov.
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Postby Las Islas de Metanoia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:23 am

Audioslavia wrote:
Las Islas de Metanoia wrote:Hey there Mr. Reporter who got me temp banned even when I explicitly said I won't report you for the insults you hurled at me first. I will never forget your ingrate and callous nature.


This is an excellent way of going straight back to ban. This isn't the place to be dredging up old grudges.


I just want people to know what he did. Is truth a ban-able offence? Anyway, I will still take the high ground as I said, and I'll forgive him. This is the last time I will mention this on the thread. Also isn't it part of the rules: "Moderators are not weapons".

You're supposed to enforcers of balance. Forgive! Let's move on.

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Postby Las Islas de Metanoia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:16 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Las Islas de Metanoia wrote:
Nah, more than anything Americans are deeply honest, I think being honest about your intentions and emotions is a sign of strength at least from a position of power since you can be more honest about yourself when can control everyone but you have to shut up about your intentions if you're a powerless slave. That's why I really admire honest labor class people, especially if they go against you despite their weakness.

Maybe my mom hid things from me because she had a "Metanoia" moment, when she was pregnant with my sister with dictator's soldiers who spared her life because she was raped instead, she then had an about turn; she said that, she has kids to take care now, she was very willing to throw away her life for the cause but now that she has another kid to take care, she had to work within the system.

That's why she kept drumming in me "humility! humility!" the meek and kind will inherit the earth. And she wanted to keep her communist episodes a secret for our own safety. Had I gone on with my genetic predisposition of our soldier and knightly lineage of always looking for honor in war, she would probably be a poor insurgent until now instead of a judge and a prospect of the Philippine Supreme Court.


My mom is basically a political normie, being a Biden supporter, and my dad is a borderline fascist so that's...uncomfortable. Nothing in their political past that's weird.

And I dont know if Americans are honest. I think we were very honest recently when we elected Trump, since we were finally admitting to the world:

•We don't value freedom.
•We don't value human life.
•We accept feelings over facts.
•We have alot of racists in our country.
•We love reality TV and all its obnoxious and vulgar behavior.

Trump is the president we definitely didn't need, but we absolutely deserved as a people.


Yes, the expansion of America across the world has been constantly a tale of politicians lying to the people over and over again. They lied to Native Americans "Here Sign this treaty and we'll take care of you! Then the Trail of Tears happened", they said to the Hawaiian Queen "Here sign this treaty and we'll preserve your kingdom and then boom! Hawaii becomes a US State"

For all its claims to be accepting and cosmopolitan the vast majority of Americans are not, most Americans are mono-lingual and believe in American exceptionalism. The ordinary American would laugh at the dude who speaks with an accent when he's probably already learned in his third of fourth language. But Hollywood has fooled America into thinking she's the good guy. Yes the country causing majority of the wars of the last century is the good guy.

However, even though I hate Trump I have deep respect for the Republican Party. The Republicans produced Abraham Lincoln who went to war against the Confederates over the issue of slavery, he wanted to free slaves. Whereas the Democrats then where known as the Whigs and they were busy lynching blacks. Likewise Theodore Roosevelt another beloved President during World War 2 was Republican, while Ronald Reagan who oversaw the dismantling of the Soviet Union and the fall of the Berlin Wall was also Republican.

I hate Trump but I respect Republicans.

We come from opposite ends when it comes to our parent's politics. My dad was a former Catholic Seminarian who became Atheist and is a pretty radical Communist whereas my mom was a radical Communist who joined the Conservative Right by the joining at the cusp of the EDSA 1 Revolution, and since Marcos accused Communists of destabilizing the state (Using the Commie bogieman to leech the US with money to support his dictatorship) and he appropriated all media and shut down all opposition networks during his Martial Law, yet he can't shut up the Church though which itself was bleeding in Soviet Russia and Eastern Europe especially in Warsaw Poland with Priests constantly being exterminated by Communists . Unfortunately, Commie Liberal Degenerate Dysgenic Vulgar Free sex Epicurian culture from Holywood California is now creeping in the Philippines, we are losing our militant discipline under fidelity to church doctrines and succumbing to secularism. There is divorce being introduced and the monogamous nuclear family of one husband and wife with children united under God is falling apart. Notice how in America back in the day, when family and marriage were sacred under conservative values, crime wasn't as rampant, but now after the Sexual Revolution where people had sex and had a merry go round of partners, all the mentally scarred children who witness a merry go round of different parents in their life go to crime. After all, the progress of Europe was attributable to the strict enforcement of monogamy which was Eugenic since monogamy increased genetic diversity and health since it prevented the unstable pattern of Polygamous marriages where the woman is just some form of chattel to be traded and all the women flock to the strong man and then leave dozens of unmarried men to go become incels and do crime to. I have left leanings myself since obviously Jesus Christ had leftist tendencies "Whoever who does this to the least of your brothers he does unto me" (That was the MOST HIGH, GOD already speaking). However, I disagree with the Left's obsession with pandering to the mob, i.e. socialism, if everyone were equal and nobody is better or worse, then what's the point to earning merit? To forge your own individual path? To become better than others if you are constantly beholden to the many? I'm a Eugenic by nature and I want an expanding Meritocratic Aristocracy (Rule of the Best in Greek) of able and educated people like with ancient Sparta where only heroes and soldiers who served in wars get to be married and it's expected that they have a lot of children.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:24 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:How many of you here view the Russian Revolution favorably?

I’m inclined to view the February Revolution favourably. But I’m a Menshevik rather than a Bolshevik. Red October was a bloody coup by antidemocratic forces and should be viewed as such.

I should have clarified that I was asking about the October Revolution.
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Postby Cisairse » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:28 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:I’m inclined to view the February Revolution favourably. But I’m a Menshevik rather than a Bolshevik. Red October was a bloody coup by antidemocratic forces and should be viewed as such.

I should have clarified that I was asking about the October Revolution.


Oh. Never mind then.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:31 am

Cisairse wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I should have clarified that I was asking about the October Revolution.


Oh. Never mind then.

I think the first revolution (the February one) was fine. Things would have been so much better if the Provisional Government held onto power. Unfortunately, its leader wanted to keep Russia in WWI.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am

Cisairse wrote:A friend of mind considers himself a "nonsectarian socialist" and I'm trying to figure out if that means anything other than "larper."


I mean, the only sectarianism I really support is deplatforming tankies. Bottom left unity is the only workable path towards the ultimate goal.
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Postby Cisairse » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:36 am

Grenartia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:A friend of mind considers himself a "nonsectarian socialist" and I'm trying to figure out if that means anything other than "larper."


I mean, the only sectarianism I really support is deplatforming tankies. Bottom left unity is the only workable path towards the ultimate goal.


Cool. What's the ultimate goal?
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:37 am

Cisairse wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I mean, the only sectarianism I really support is deplatforming tankies. Bottom left unity is the only workable path towards the ultimate goal.


Cool. What's the ultimate goal?


The end of capitalism and tyranny.
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Postby Mirial Magna » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:40 am

I'd go back to the Russian Revolution and join the American Expeditionary Forces. Even if I don't change history, it'd still be nice to know I resisted the rise of the second-most murderous regime in history. And, by extension, the most murderous regime as well.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:52 am

Top left/top right/bottom right unity against the deplatform gang.
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Postby Mirial Magna » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:54 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Top left/top right/bottom right unity against the deplatform gang.

You'd think more anarchists (not including ancaps) would be against deplatforming.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:54 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Top left/top right/bottom right unity against the deplatform gang.

Deplatform gang unity against authoritarians and rightists
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:55 am

Mirial Magna wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Top left/top right/bottom right unity against the deplatform gang.

You'd think more anarchists (not including ancaps) would be against deplatforming.


Culture war is a hell of a drug. If you don't have a formal leader for your campaign of censorship and intimidation then it's apparently libertarian don't you know!
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Postby LRON » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:55 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Top left/top right/bottom right unity against the deplatform gang.

Deplatform gang unity against authoritarians and rightists

Does it not make you authoritarian to "deplatform" right wing persons?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:56 am

LRON wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Deplatform gang unity against authoritarians and rightists

Does it not make you authoritarian to "deplatform" right wing persons?

Community self-regulation isn't authoritarianism
This is an incredibly simple concept
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Postby Mirial Magna » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:57 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Top left/top right/bottom right unity against the deplatform gang.

Deplatform gang unity against authoritarians and rightists

Empowering corporate monopolies by giving them the power to censor their opponents to *checks script* own the... capitalists?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:59 am

Cekoviu wrote:
LRON wrote:Does it not make you authoritarian to "deplatform" right wing persons?

Community self-regulation isn't authoritarianism
This is an incredibly simple concept


Calling it community self-regulation is pure ideology.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:01 pm

Mirial Magna wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Deplatform gang unity against authoritarians and rightists

Empowering corporate monopolies by giving them the power to censor their opponents to *checks script* own the... capitalists?

I like capitalism
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Mirial Magna wrote:Empowering corporate monopolies by giving them the power to censor their opponents to *checks script* own the... capitalists?

I like capitalism


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Postby LRON » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:03 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
LRON wrote:Does it not make you authoritarian to "deplatform" right wing persons?

Community self-regulation isn't authoritarianism
This is an incredibly simple concept

Well then why can't society do that against the she males? After all, isn't that frowned upon?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:05 pm

LRON wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Community self-regulation isn't authoritarianism
This is an incredibly simple concept

Well then why can't society do that against the she males? After all, isn't that frowned upon?

First of all, gross
Second of all, because it's not necessary or helpful
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Postby Mirial Magna » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:07 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Mirial Magna wrote:Empowering corporate monopolies by giving them the power to censor their opponents to *checks script* own the... capitalists?

I like capitalism

Everyone unite against the liberal.
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