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What kind of Leftist are you?

Centrist/Moderate/Third wayer.
17
12%
Social Liberal
10
7%
Social Democrat
22
16%
Green Progressive
7
5%
Democratic Socialist
25
18%
Marxist Communist
19
14%
Anarchist Communist
20
14%
Other (please state)
20
14%
 
Total votes : 140

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Postby No State Here » Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:48 am

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Fahran wrote:In the short-term, I believe this will energize leftists who will then be herded into the DNC. They'll then propose such absurd ideas that they're once more relegated to the obscure corners of the political spectrum beyond the Overton Window where they rightly belong and have rightly belonged since the 1970s.


Wishful thinking, we'll come to power and successfully transition the country away from capitalism and also implement all the things you don't like.

In that scenario, I’ll probably be the first one to be thrown into the gulag
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:52 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf/dp/0395925037

Look, it's even on sale. 20% off, what a steal.


You can't get Hitler's Table Talk, the Jewish revolutionary spirit or any number of books of that nature. Hitler's Table Talk was viewed as the gold standard for evaluating his ideas more so than Mein Kampf which is a poorly written book. I should not surprised you would resort to that as proof of censorship not existing. On that note, I'll be sure to use a single black man in government as proof systemic racism doesn't exist the next time you bring it up. You ignore that also gentlemen like Tommy Robinson or the infamous Jewish Revolutionary spirit books have also been removed for hate. Those alone remove your frankly pathetic and desperate position that this censorship does not exist.


https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Table-Ta ... 1929631057
https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Revolutio ... 0929891074
https://www.amazon.com/Tommy-Robinson/e ... scns_share

Is this a plot to make me search and link the no-no books? Jokes on you, I'm incognito.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:54 am

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Valrifell wrote:
Wishful thinking, we'll come to power and successfully transition the country away from capitalism and also implement all the things you don't like.

In that scenario, I’ll probably be the first one to be thrown into the gulag


Please, there are higher order targets to give a People's Trial, like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos.

You'll probably be scheduled for the 23rd round of purges :p
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:01 am

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You can't get Hitler's Table Talk, the Jewish revolutionary spirit or any number of books of that nature. Hitler's Table Talk was viewed as the gold standard for evaluating his ideas more so than Mein Kampf which is a poorly written book. I should not surprised you would resort to that as proof of censorship not existing. On that note, I'll be sure to use a single black man in government as proof systemic racism doesn't exist the next time you bring it up. You ignore that also gentlemen like Tommy Robinson or the infamous Jewish Revolutionary spirit books have also been removed for hate. Those alone remove your frankly pathetic and desperate position that this censorship does not exist.


https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Table-Ta ... 1929631057
https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Revolutio ... 0929891074
https://www.amazon.com/Tommy-Robinson/e ... scns_share

Is this a plot to make me search and link the no-no books? Jokes on you, I'm incognito.


Sold by third party sellers on and not on Kindle! Amazon doesn't touch it. Very well done Varlifell. You got me again. I'll be sure to add this to your list of failed complaints. Next time you whine about food deserts or unequal treatment, I'll remind of your mealy-mouthed excuses right here. Remember kids, if you force the sale of only used goods through third party vendors and won't let the e-edition be sold, it's the same as it was before. You truly outdo yourself. Then again, what else can we expect given your track record of positions?

Edit: Upon further investigation, it seems Varlifell couldn't get their books right. Amazon totally banned Mohammed's Koran. This even made it to the WSJ but I could see how your sort would sleep easy with tech censorship and would never have raised an eyebrow. I'll be extra sure to make that reference when you complain of system racism. It doesn't count if there is a single example. I'll be sure to hold you to that.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:06 am

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As usually, your information is not only old but wrong. He caved. Now if your book is a hate one, it's removed. A great number of books related to Herr Hitler or which were deemed anti-semetic or racist are gone. He receives effusive praise for the crumbs he throws your sort. Afterall, he bribes them with WaPo jobs and being his censorship committee


https://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf/dp/0395925037

Look, it's even on sale. 20% off, what a steal.


I used to have a copy of Mein Kampf laying around here for a while. The edition on the right.

It even had a signature inside which may or may not have been by the author.

The fonts were unreadable gibberish though.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:32 am

Nakena wrote:I used to have a copy of Mein Kampf laying around here for a while. The edition on the right.

The fonts were unreadable gibberish though.

Comic Sans.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:42 am

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Sold by third party sellers on and not on Kindle! Amazon doesn't touch it. Very well done Varlifell. You got me again. I'll be sure to add this to your list of failed complaints. Next time you whine about food deserts or unequal treatment, I'll remind of your mealy-mouthed excuses right here. Remember kids, if you force the sale of only used goods through third party vendors and won't let the e-edition be sold, it's the same as it was before. You truly outdo yourself. Then again, what else can we expect given your track record of positions?

Edit: Upon further investigation, it seems Varlifell couldn't get their books right. Amazon totally banned Mohammed's Koran. This even made it to the WSJ but I could see how your sort would sleep easy with tech censorship and would never have raised an eyebrow. I'll be extra sure to make that reference when you complain of system racism. It doesn't count if there is a single example. I'll be sure to hold you to that.


It's not censorship that a vendor refuses to sell a good, particularly when the platform owned by said vendor still lets the selling of those goods. It would be one thing if Amazon banned listings of these books altogether, but they don't, they just choose not to print and sell them themselves. Again, that's not censorship unless Target refusing to sell these books in their stores is also censorship. No, that's just how the market be sometimes. I am, at best, mildly inconvenienced by this, but as the Amazon listings I provided show you, that information is still wildly available and convenient to access.

EDIT: also the quaran is, funnily enough, a best-seller on the Amazon market place.

The lack of an e-book rendering seems more like a Karen-tier complaint, tbh.

You're really like the boy who cried wolf, huh. If you step on a LEGO I'd bet you cry censorship then, too.
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Postby Asherahan » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:08 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Nakena wrote:I used to have a copy of Mein Kampf laying around here for a while. The edition on the right.

The fonts were unreadable gibberish though.

Comic Sans.
i have a copy of the mein kampf too.

I especially liked hitlers views on the economy which to say a little generally varied from none existent to laughably stupid.

Shame his shitty political views got more traction than his economic one.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:18 am

Valrifell wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Sold by third party sellers on and not on Kindle! Amazon doesn't touch it. Very well done Varlifell. You got me again. I'll be sure to add this to your list of failed complaints. Next time you whine about food deserts or unequal treatment, I'll remind of your mealy-mouthed excuses right here. Remember kids, if you force the sale of only used goods through third party vendors and won't let the e-edition be sold, it's the same as it was before. You truly outdo yourself. Then again, what else can we expect given your track record of positions?

Edit: Upon further investigation, it seems Varlifell couldn't get their books right. Amazon totally banned Mohammed's Koran. This even made it to the WSJ but I could see how your sort would sleep easy with tech censorship and would never have raised an eyebrow. I'll be extra sure to make that reference when you complain of system racism. It doesn't count if there is a single example. I'll be sure to hold you to that.


It's not censorship that a vendor refuses to sell a good, particularly when the platform owned by said vendor still lets the selling of those goods. It would be one thing if Amazon banned listings of these books altogether, but they don't, they just choose not to print and sell them themselves. Again, that's not censorship unless Target refusing to sell these books in their stores is also censorship. No, that's just how the market be sometimes. I am, at best, mildly inconvenienced by this, but as the Amazon listings I provided show you, that information is still wildly available and convenient to access.

EDIT: also the quaran is, funnily enough, a best-seller on the Amazon market place.

The lack of an e-book rendering seems more like a Karen-tier complaint, tbh.

You're really like the boy who cried wolf, huh. If you step on a LEGO I'd bet you cry censorship then, too.


I don't know why you would think I meant the religious book. I've long said your sort lacks the most basic bravery to ban anything where the followers might punish you with assault rifles and machetes. The book I mentioned is a title by Mr. Robinson. It's not there. You wanted evidence, there it is.

Regarding the rest of your post. The e-book version is the most profitable and popular version of a book. Being barred from selling on Kindle ruins most output these days. And furthermore I am glad to see you went with if the free market does it, it's not censorship. I will remind you of your position here again in the future. Your lack of consistency is a great ally is discrediting you. I can put your moaning about systemic racism, food deserts and now political silencing by firms in the bin! You're the best Varlifell.
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Postby Stylan » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:18 am

My problem with anarchism (as a former ancom and anprim) is that it's overwhelmingly rich white kids. Sure you get the occasional Kurt Cobain type or whatever, but it really does seem to be a bourgeoisie thing. There's a reason Black Panthers were Marxist.
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The East Marches II wrote:You're the best Varlifell.


Thanks king, I know.
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Valrifell wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:You're the best Varlifell.


Thanks king, I know.


<3

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:34 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It's not censorship that a vendor refuses to sell a good, particularly when the platform owned by said vendor still lets the selling of those goods. It would be one thing if Amazon banned listings of these books altogether, but they don't, they just choose not to print and sell them themselves. Again, that's not censorship unless Target refusing to sell these books in their stores is also censorship. No, that's just how the market be sometimes. I am, at best, mildly inconvenienced by this, but as the Amazon listings I provided show you, that information is still wildly available and convenient to access.

EDIT: also the quaran is, funnily enough, a best-seller on the Amazon market place.

The lack of an e-book rendering seems more like a Karen-tier complaint, tbh.

You're really like the boy who cried wolf, huh. If you step on a LEGO I'd bet you cry censorship then, too.


I don't know why you would think I meant the religious book. I've long said your sort lacks the most basic bravery to ban anything where the followers might punish you with assault rifles and machetes. The book I mentioned is a title by Mr. Robinson. It's not there. You wanted evidence, there it is.

Regarding the rest of your post. The e-book version is the most profitable and popular version of a book. Being barred from selling on Kindle ruins most output these days. And furthermore I am glad to see you went with if the free market does it, it's not censorship. I will remind you of your position here again in the future. Your lack of consistency is a great ally is discrediting you. I can put your moaning about systemic racism, food deserts and now political silencing by firms in the bin! You're the best Varlifell.


Ah ah aha, I didn't know it was a work by Robinson because I don't read that kind of stuff. Sure, they probably shouldn't have banned the book from their marketplace, but now it looks like you're upset that some rich-ass political writer isn't getting as fat a paycheck he otherwise would have with your e-book complaint, so long as the information is out there the financial condition of the auteur should be of secondary concern, because then it's not censorship, it's just how the economy struggles to treat artists as worth something.

And that wasn't my point, the free market in this instance isn't even censoring 75% of the stuff you brought up because it's still freely available on the market. Only now did you finally touch upon a case that is distinguished from the others. I salute you for finally getting something to support your point, that wasn't so hard, was it?
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Postby Stylan » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:37 am

The whole Free Capitol Hill/Autonomous Zone thing in Seattle rn makes me so happy.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:38 am

Stylan wrote:The whole Free Capitol Hill/Autonomous Zone thing in Seattle rn makes me so happy.


I won't be contented until the entire city of Seattle is under a commune.
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Postby Asherahan » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:42 am

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Stylan wrote:The whole Free Capitol Hill/Autonomous Zone thing in Seattle rn makes me so happy.


I won't be contented until the entire city of Seattle is under a commune.

Isn't this how 1848 started?
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Valrifell wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I don't know why you would think I meant the religious book. I've long said your sort lacks the most basic bravery to ban anything where the followers might punish you with assault rifles and machetes. The book I mentioned is a title by Mr. Robinson. It's not there. You wanted evidence, there it is.

Regarding the rest of your post. The e-book version is the most profitable and popular version of a book. Being barred from selling on Kindle ruins most output these days. And furthermore I am glad to see you went with if the free market does it, it's not censorship. I will remind you of your position here again in the future. Your lack of consistency is a great ally is discrediting you. I can put your moaning about systemic racism, food deserts and now political silencing by firms in the bin! You're the best Varlifell.


Ah ah aha, I didn't know it was a work by Robinson because I don't read that kind of stuff. Sure, they probably shouldn't have banned the book from their marketplace, but now it looks like you're upset that some rich-ass political writer isn't getting as fat a paycheck he otherwise would have with your e-book complaint, so long as the information is out there the financial condition of the auteur should be of secondary concern, because then it's not censorship, it's just how the economy struggles to treat artists as worth something.

And that wasn't my point, the free market in this instance isn't even censoring 75% of the stuff you brought up because it's still freely available on the market. Only now did you finally touch upon a case that is distinguished from the others. I salute you for finally getting something to support your point, that wasn't so hard, was it?


It is not my job to educate you, as your leftist friends always say!

Though admittedly given the large gaps in your practical knowledge, I don't hold it against you for being uninformed on the matter. Regarding your comments about the treatment of books. As I said before, I will be able now to put your arguments about systemic discrimination and separate but equal in the trash. Especially regarding food deserts. There is no discrimination, it's the free market.

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Postby Asherahan » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:44 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Ah ah aha, I didn't know it was a work by Robinson because I don't read that kind of stuff. Sure, they probably shouldn't have banned the book from their marketplace, but now it looks like you're upset that some rich-ass political writer isn't getting as fat a paycheck he otherwise would have with your e-book complaint, so long as the information is out there the financial condition of the auteur should be of secondary concern, because then it's not censorship, it's just how the economy struggles to treat artists as worth something.

And that wasn't my point, the free market in this instance isn't even censoring 75% of the stuff you brought up because it's still freely available on the market. Only now did you finally touch upon a case that is distinguished from the others. I salute you for finally getting something to support your point, that wasn't so hard, was it?


It is not my job to educate you, as your leftist friends always say!

Though admittedly given the large gaps in your practical knowledge, I don't hold it against you for being uninformed on the matter. Regarding your comments about the treatment of books. As I said before, I will be able now to put your arguments about systemic discrimination and separate but equal in the trash. Especially regarding food deserts. There is no discrimination, it's the free market.

May speakers de-escalate their discussion please.

Also all religions should be banned.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:45 am

Asherahan wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
It is not my job to educate you, as your leftist friends always say!

Though admittedly given the large gaps in your practical knowledge, I don't hold it against you for being uninformed on the matter. Regarding your comments about the treatment of books. As I said before, I will be able now to put your arguments about systemic discrimination and separate but equal in the trash. Especially regarding food deserts. There is no discrimination, it's the free market.

May speakers de-escalate their discussion please.

Also all religions should be banned.


Fuck me that's a shot out of nowhere. I'm de-escalating, no need to keep dropping bombs like that.
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Postby Asherahan » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:47 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Asherahan wrote:May speakers de-escalate their discussion please.

Also all religions should be banned.


Fuck me that's a shot out of nowhere. I'm de-escalating, no need to keep dropping bombs like that.

I can't be racist if i hate every religion equally.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:56 am

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Valrifell wrote:
Thanks king, I know.


<3

ugh, get a room
Asherahan wrote:Also all religions should be banned.

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:57 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Ah ah aha, I didn't know it was a work by Robinson because I don't read that kind of stuff. Sure, they probably shouldn't have banned the book from their marketplace, but now it looks like you're upset that some rich-ass political writer isn't getting as fat a paycheck he otherwise would have with your e-book complaint, so long as the information is out there the financial condition of the auteur should be of secondary concern, because then it's not censorship, it's just how the economy struggles to treat artists as worth something.

And that wasn't my point, the free market in this instance isn't even censoring 75% of the stuff you brought up because it's still freely available on the market. Only now did you finally touch upon a case that is distinguished from the others. I salute you for finally getting something to support your point, that wasn't so hard, was it?


It is not my job to educate you, as your leftist friends always say!

Though admittedly given the large gaps in your practical knowledge, I don't hold it against you for being uninformed on the matter. Regarding your comments about the treatment of books. As I said before, I will be able now to put your arguments about systemic discrimination and separate but equal in the trash. Especially regarding food deserts. There is no discrimination, it's the free market.


Knowing who that Robinson chap is in no way practical knowledge whatsoever.

The rest of your post is a willful misinterpretation of what I said, but I shan't be shocked this conclusion was inevitable.
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<3

ugh, get a room


I have strong feelings about this post and none of them are positive, yet they're all indescribable.
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Postby North German Realm » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:59 am

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I won't be contented until the entire city of Seattle is under a commune.

Isn't this how 1848 started?

The Highlight of 1871, you mean.

Asherahan wrote:I can't be racist if i hate every religion equally.

How can hating religion be racist in the first place
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Postby Fahran » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:00 am

Stylan wrote:My problem with anarchism (as a former ancom and anprim) is that it's overwhelmingly rich white kids. Sure you get the occasional Kurt Cobain type or whatever, but it really does seem to be a bourgeoisie thing. There's a reason Black Panthers were Marxist.

Most "politically active" youth in the United States are rich, university-educated white kids who don't vote. I think I've met a couple black Marxists but the majority of them have been well-to-do white kids.
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