LWDT IX: Discussing the Left From All Engels

[Washington Resistance Army]

It isn't really a straw man lol.

Though I will say that this whole thing showed what a bunch of broke ass bitches many companies and landlords are.

I Hate landlords

This is a Maoist thread now!

[Sundiata]

While a centrist, I appreciate many of the concerns associated typically with the left. Throughout my life, most of the friends I've made have been aligned with this side of the political spectrum.

Left-wing values outside of those to do with sexuality and gender norms do seem to fit well with Christian values, it seems.

Generally speaking, yes.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Conservatives when asked about raising the minimum wage in 2016: No! We can't do that beacuse it would cause inflation!

Conservatives when there corporate donors need a bailout from a massive economic recession in 2020:

Nice strawman

Nah, I've always heard the same thing against raising the minimum wage being: It would inflate the dollar and drive prices up!

Then when this happens the sugar daddies who keep the conservatives in power need some help they waste no time yeeting out billions of dollars.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nice strawman

Nah, I've always heard the same thing against raising the minimum wage being: It would inflate the dollar and drive prices up!

Then when this happens the sugar daddies who keep the conservatives in power need some help they waste no time yeeting out billions of dollars.

The problem isn't really that it would cause inflation. The problem is that with no additional revenue it's only sensible for businesses to give people less working hours and raise prices to keep the same bottom line. Which effectively cancels out the benefits of the raised minimum wage and starts a cycle where both need to continually go up.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Nah, I've always heard the same thing against raising the minimum wage being: It would inflate the dollar and drive prices up!

Then when this happens the sugar daddies who keep the conservatives in power need some help they waste no time yeeting out billions of dollars.

The problem isn't really that it would cause inflation. The problem is that with no additional revenue it's only sensible for businesses to give people less working hours and raise prices to keep the same bottom line. Which effectively cancels out the benefits of the raised minimum wage and starts a cycle where both need to continually go up.

But with the rise in minimum wage the theory behind it is that with more money they would spend more money. Thus creating additional revenue for businesses from more sales of there products.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The problem isn't really that it would cause inflation. The problem is that with no additional revenue it's only sensible for businesses to give people less working hours and raise prices to keep the same bottom line. Which effectively cancels out the benefits of the raised minimum wage and starts a cycle where both need to continually go up.

But with the rise in minimum wage the theory behind it is that with more money they would spend more money. Thus creating additional revenue for businesses from more sales of there products.

That hasn't really held up in reality as of late. Seattle has been a really good test case of this, higher minimum wage didn't lead to much except less working hours because businesses have to pay more. It doesn't really impact big corporations, which are the ones that need to be gone after for their rampant greed, but smaller businesses often have little choice but to hike prices and cut hours to maintain the same bottom line.

[Valrifell]

Just have the government take over everyone's payroll.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

But with the rise in minimum wage the theory behind it is that with more money they would spend more money. Thus creating additional revenue for businesses from more sales of there products.

That hasn't really held up in reality as of late. Seattle has been a really good test case of this, higher minimum wage didn't lead to much except less working hours because businesses have to pay more. It doesn't really impact big corporations, which are the ones that need to be gone after for their rampant greed, but smaller businesses often have little choice but to hike prices and cut hours to maintain the same bottom line.

Could there be a targeted minimum wage to balance this? If you work for say Wal-Mart or Dunkin Donuts couldn't we make a minimum wage for only those who are employed by billion dollar businesses while keeping a lower minimum wage for those who work at a small store or coffee shop?

[Fahran]

Just have the government take over everyone's payroll.

That'll work well when the government invariably shuts down again or can't cover its debts.

[Kubra]

Nah, I've always heard the same thing against raising the minimum wage being: It would inflate the dollar and drive prices up!

Then when this happens the sugar daddies who keep the conservatives in power need some help they waste no time yeeting out billions of dollars.

The problem isn't really that it would cause inflation. The problem is that with no additional revenue it's only sensible for businesses to give people less working hours and raise prices to keep the same bottom line. Which effectively cancels out the benefits of the raised minimum wage and starts a cycle where both need to continually go up.

This is, in fact, the orthodox Marxist stance on min wage.

[Northern Davincia]

Enough economic intervention, my heart can only take so much.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Enough economic intervention, my heart can only take so much.

>not replacing your heart with a mini recreational mcnuke to irradiate anyone who comes within steppy distance

[Northern Davincia]

Enough economic intervention, my heart can only take so much.

>not replacing your heart with a mini recreational mcnuke to irradiate anyone who comes within steppy distance

*takes notes vigorously*

[Nakena]

Recently I started feeling increasingly interested in the left and socialism as result of recent political events and taking all those online tests and such.

Thus I have begun to study the ideology of Juche/Songun and I must say it does has quite some merits of its own, that I wouldn have expected.

It also rejects the false teachings of marxism on a fundamental level.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Recently I started feeling increasingly interested in the left and socialism as result of recent political events and taking all those online tests and such.

Thus I have begun to study the ideology of Juche/Songun and I must say it does has quite some merits of its own, that I wouldn have expected.

It also rejects the false teachings of marxism on a fundamental level.

If you’re interested in left wing ideologies, might I suggest studying those ideologies instead of whatever form of rabid fascism the Kims are peddling?

Because a totalitarian slave state where the dictator owns all the means of production is not really left-wing.

[Northern Davincia]

Recently I started feeling increasingly interested in the left and socialism as result of recent political events and taking all those online tests and such.

Thus I have begun to study the ideology of Juche/Songun and I must say it does has quite some merits of its own, that I wouldn have expected.

It also rejects the false teachings of marxism on a fundamental level.

If you’re interested in left wing ideologies, might I suggest studying those ideologies instead of whatever form of rabid fascism the Kims are peddling?

Because a totalitarian slave state where the dictator owns all the means of production is not really left-wing.

But it is the most frequent incarnation of left-wing beliefs.

[Nakena]

If you’re interested in left wing ideologies, might I suggest studying those ideologies instead of whatever form of rabid fascism the Kims are peddling?

Because a totalitarian slave state where the dictator owns all the means of production is not really left-wing.

I have not explicitly endorsed the system of the DPRK. The reasons should be obvious. But as said the ideology with it's man-centric focus and emphasis on national self-reliance has more merit than I thought. It's not some hurr durr super stalinism or fascism or some meme. It's interesting than I thought.

Also marxism has no monopoly on deciding whats "left-wing". And thats another good thing I like on Juche too, that it appears to rejecting it. I am just at the beginnings of my research so I will refrain from jumping at any conclusions.

[Rojava Free State]

If you’re interested in left wing ideologies, might I suggest studying those ideologies instead of whatever form of rabid fascism the Kims are peddling?

Because a totalitarian slave state where the dictator owns all the means of production is not really left-wing.

But it is the most frequent incarnation of left-wing beliefs.

More like it's the most noticeable, because authoritarians like to flex their might all the time.

[Fahran]

But it is the most frequent incarnation of left-wing beliefs.

More like it's the most noticeable, because authoritarians like to flex their might all the time.

I mean... it depends on if you consider social democracy left-wing. Because, if you don't, authoritarian socialism has a much richer history than libertarian socialism when it comes to actually setting up a functional system.

[Rojava Free State]

More like it's the most noticeable, because authoritarians like to flex their might all the time.

I mean... it depends on if you consider social democracy left-wing. Because, if you don't, authoritarian socialism has a much richer history than libertarian socialism when it comes to actually setting up a functional system.

I consider social democracy to be left wing, but I am a social Democrat so I am somewhat biased.

[Fahran]

I consider social democracy to be left wing, but I am a social Democrat so I am somewhat biased.

Fair enough. Some people in this thread would have to concede that left-wing government has never happened in a functional way because they don't think Lenin was left-wing and Social Democrats are well to the right of Lenin in many ways.

[Northern Davincia]

I mean... it depends on if you consider social democracy left-wing. Because, if you don't, authoritarian socialism has a much richer history than libertarian socialism when it comes to actually setting up a functional system.

I consider social democracy to be left wing, but I am a social Democrat so I am somewhat biased.

Social democracy is the centrist's ambrosia.

[Genivaria]

More like it's the most noticeable, because authoritarians like to flex their might all the time.

I mean... it depends on if you consider social democracy left-wing. Because, if you don't, authoritarian socialism has a much richer history than libertarian socialism when it comes to actually setting up a functional system.

Social Democracy is definitely left-wing.
Maybe in Europe it's just left-of center but pretty much everywhere else it's some measure of Left.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I consider social democracy to be left wing, but I am a social Democrat so I am somewhat biased.

Fair enough. Some people in this thread would have to concede that left-wing government has never happened in a functional way because they don't think Lenin was left-wing and Social Democrats are well to the right of Lenin in many ways.

Good,now Lenin became right on some people's side.I think they must be on the far left.

[Fahran]

Social Democracy is definitely left-wing.
Maybe in Europe it's just left-of center but pretty much everywhere else it's some measure of Left.

Tell that to the LeftComs. :^)