Any hope of a lawsuit against China?

[Novus America]

Stop with these anti-China nonsense. They're not responsible for the shit that happened. If you want to blame China for something, what about the dictatorship?

China is a republic. It’s leaders are elected.

The elections except at the provincial level are completely rigged.

[Novus America]

We never said they did it on purpose, but through gross negligence and trying to cover it up.

But yes, I agree that they tried to cover up. However, many leaders had time to prepare after the "reveal", and they were negligent. If you think China is guilty, you need to agree it's not the only one.

But I never said they were the only one.

[Cadafa]

Stop with these anti-China nonsense. They're not responsible for the shit that happened. If you want to blame China for something, what about the dictatorship?

China is a republic. It’s leaders are elected.

Of course not.

I don't think they should pay for corona, but saying they are democratic is plain stupid

[Shanghai Fishing Corporation]

The elections except at the provincial level are completely rigged.

Even if that is true I do not see your point.

[Novus America]

We never said they did it on purpose, but through gross negligence and trying to cover it up.

Our own government has been severely negligent and continues to be so in their handling of this crisis - are we going to sue the White House and Congress too?

We should absolutely hold them accountable yes. Remove the bad ones from office. That is the best option when it is available.

[Novus America]

The elections except at the provincial level are completely rigged.

Even if that is true I do not see your point.

Most dictatorships are titular “republics” with show elections.

[Diarcesia]

The number of hateful people here is sickening. The idea of a country suffering sanctions for a pandemic that started on their territory is insane. You guys really need to think better, for God's sake.

I oppose this for the same reason as I don't want my society to be sanctioned because of circumstances beyond control or because of incompetence, not malice. It won't make things better.

[Shanghai Fishing Corporation]

Even if that is true I do not see your point.

Most dictatorships are titular “republics” with show elections.

Most republics are dictatorships with show elections. China does away with the pomp in favor of better leadership. Nya!

[Andaol]

Most dictatorships are titular “republics” with show elections.

Most republics are dictatorships with show elections. China does away with the pomp in favor of better leadership. Nya!

**** the "better leadership". If a country doesn't have democracy, it's worth nothing. Just like that poll when you first enter NS

[Andaol]

The number of hateful people here is sickening. The idea of a country suffering sanctions for a pandemic that started on their territory is insane. You guys really need to think better, for God's sake.

I oppose this for the same reason as I don't want my society to be sanctioned because of circumstances beyond control or because of incompetence, not malice. It won't make things better.

Sure it son't

[Novus America]

The number of hateful people here is sickening. The idea of a country suffering sanctions for a pandemic that started on their territory is insane. You guys really need to think better, for God's sake.

I oppose this for the same reason as I don't want my society to be sanctioned because of circumstances beyond control or because of incompetence, not malice. It won't make things better.

We would be punishing the government for malice, and governments should be held accountable for their failures here.

[Shanghai Fishing Corporation]

**** the "better leadership". If a country doesn't have democracy, it's worth nothing. Just like that poll when you first enter NS

China has democracy. America doesn’t have democracy, it’s presidency is chosen by party delegates favoring the rural states. China’s President is elected by its people’s delegates.

[Andaol]

**** the "better leadership". If a country doesn't have democracy, it's worth nothing. Just like that poll when you first enter NS

China has democracy. America doesn’t have democracy, it’s presidency is chosen by party delegates favoring the rural states. China’s President is elected by its people’s delegates.

I hate calling people names, but... You're damn stupid. Sure, America is not the best democracy out there. But hell, saying China has democracy. And it's better than US? God, what's your problem?

[Bulgar Rouge]

Let's get some perspective:

Funding for pandemic preparedness has long lagged behind other homeland-security priorities. The U.S. government, for example, spends at least $100 billion a year on counterterrorism efforts versus $1 billion on pandemic and emerging-infectious-disease programs, according to one calculation in 2016. This despite the fact that the new coronavirus threatens to kill vastly more Americans than terrorism ever has.

And the Trump administration has gone further—not only underfunding these efforts but also proposing steep spending cuts year after year to institutions, such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that are tasked with handling outbreaks. Congress has resisted these efforts in the bills Trump has ultimately signed, but the president’s requests have nevertheless spoken to his priorities. His budget proposal for fiscal year 2021, released in February when the coronavirus outbreak had already reached the United States, called for the CDC’s overall funding to be slashed by hundreds of millions of dollars. The administration did suggest more resources for certain subsets of the CDC’s work relevant to the current crisis. Each of those increases, however, is less than the Trump administration devoted in its 2021 budget proposal to counter Chinese and Russian propaganda and disinformation, and a small fraction of the additional $459 million the administration wished to pour into offensive hypersonic weapons.

The argument for Europe is similar - it has been far too busy countering "fake news" and Twitter trolls than actually setting up adequate response protocols to a threat that causes immensely more damage.

And while South Korea, China, Singapore and Hong Kong adequately checked their outbreaks, the US and Europe still struggle to implement a coherent response. So in the end, who's to blame and sue - China (which has put its outbreak under control), or the sclerotic leaders of the US and Europe who can't coordinate a national policy 4 months after the first cases appeared?

[Novus America]

**** the "better leadership". If a country doesn't have democracy, it's worth nothing. Just like that poll when you first enter NS

China has democracy. America doesn’t have democracy, it’s presidency is chosen by party delegates favoring the rural states. China’s President is elected by its people’s delegates.

Umm the “people’s delegates” are largely actually appointed, the vast majority run unopposed.
So the “election” is pointless.

Also even people in the party who go against Xi get purged.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... a-41670162

[Novus America]

Let's get some perspective:

Funding for pandemic preparedness has long lagged behind other homeland-security priorities. The U.S. government, for example, spends at least $100 billion a year on counterterrorism efforts versus $1 billion on pandemic and emerging-infectious-disease programs, according to one calculation in 2016. This despite the fact that the new coronavirus threatens to kill vastly more Americans than terrorism ever has.

And the Trump administration has gone further—not only underfunding these efforts but also proposing steep spending cuts year after year to institutions, such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that are tasked with handling outbreaks. Congress has resisted these efforts in the bills Trump has ultimately signed, but the president’s requests have nevertheless spoken to his priorities. His budget proposal for fiscal year 2021, released in February when the coronavirus outbreak had already reached the United States, called for the CDC’s overall funding to be slashed by hundreds of millions of dollars. The administration did suggest more resources for certain subsets of the CDC’s work relevant to the current crisis. Each of those increases, however, is less than the Trump administration devoted in its 2021 budget proposal to counter Chinese and Russian propaganda and disinformation, and a small fraction of the additional $459 million the administration wished to pour into offensive hypersonic weapons.

The argument for Europe is similar - it has been far too busy countering "fake news" and Twitter trolls than actually setting up adequate response protocols to a threat that causes immensely more damage.

And while South Korea, China, Singapore and Hong Kong adequately checked their outbreaks, the US and Europe still struggle to implement a coherent response. So in the end, who's to blame and sue - China (which has put its outbreak under control), or the sclerotic leaders of the US and Europe who can't coordinate a national policy 4 months after the first cases appeared?

All governments should be held accountable for their failures here.
Why not hold both accountable?

[Hanafuridake]

This is a state which has annexed another sovereign nation, put ethno-religious minorities in concentration camps, and harvested the organs of other religious minorities. Throughout all of this, the world has continued to do business with them. Do you really expect the corrupt class of politicians and executives who've ignored their conscience for this long to suddenly change their mind because some average citizens die?

[Novus America]

This is a state which has annexed another sovereign nation, put ethno-religious minorities in concentration camps, and harvested the organs of other religious minorities. Throughout all of this, the world has continued to do business with them. Do you really expect the corrupt class of politicians and executives who've ignored their conscience for this long to suddenly change their mind because some average citizens die?

Unfortunately true, which is why we need to hold our corrupt politicians also accountable and remove those who supported the regime.

[Cadafa]

This is a state which has annexed another sovereign nation, put ethno-religious minorities in concentration camps, and harvested the organs of other religious minorities. Throughout all of this, the world has continued to do business with them. Do you really expect the corrupt class of politicians and executives who've ignored their conscience for this long to suddenly change their mind because some average citizens die?

No one(except some as*holes) deny the horrible things China has done. But Covid-19 is not one of them.

[Shanghai Fishing Corporation]

Also even people in the party who go against Xi get purged.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... a-41670162

Thank goodness for that.

[Cadafa]

Also even people in the party who go against Xi get purged.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... a-41670162

Thank goodness for that.

You're an complete asshole

[Reploid Productions]

Standby.

I hate calling people names, but... You're damn stupid.

No one(except some as*holes) deny the horrible things China has done.

You're an complete asshole

*** Andaol/Cadafa, 1-day ban for flaming/trolling via multiple puppets. *** Namecalling has no place in a discussion, and is in fact in violation of the site rules which you agreed to abide by as a condition of creating your nations. You do not get to call people assholes, nor do you get to broadly describe everyone who has a particular opinion you dislike as 'assholes'. I was originally going to let you off with an unofficial warning for the first quote, but then the second and third popped up while writing up the original notice. So instead, you get to spend today in forum timeout.

As for the thread overall, it's wandered in about a dozen different directions all having very little to do with the original topic. I think we can stick a fork in it and call it done.


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