2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Genivaria]

How dare Obama let a Republican Senate majority cockblock him!

He had control of the House and Senate for two years!

Could anything Obama had done actually prevented the loss of the House and Senate?

[Valrifell]

How dare Obama let a Republican Senate majority cockblock him!

He had control of the House and Senate for two years!

Progressives literally did not exist in the period 2008 - 2010.

[Everhall]

President Biden is more likely (<0%) to support a progressive agenda set by a progressive Congress

Obama had years to support a progressive agenda and didn't. What makes you think Biden is any more progressive than Obama was?

He's more likely than current President Don Trump to support a Progressive Agenda. More importantly, he'll appoint judges who won't take a collective shit on whatever progressive legislation is passed in any state for the next few decades.

[San Lumen]

He had control of the House and Senate for two years!

Progressives literally did not exist in the period 2008 - 2010.

That’s not true

[Vassenor]

Hats off to the Bernie people standing up for their beliefs and writing him in on election day

And gifting the world four more years of Trump in the process, betraying those beliefs in doing so.

[Cisairse]

How dare Obama let a Republican Senate majority cockblock him!

He had control of the House and Senate for two years!

And he used those two years to pass the most progressive agenda ever enacted in the United States. Your point?

[Valrifell]

Progressives literally did not exist in the period 2008 - 2010.

That’s not true

Metaphorically did not exist in the period 2008 - 2010.

[Gormwood]

How dare Obama let a Republican Senate majority cockblock him!

"Obama had years to support a progressive agenda" isn't wrong though. He had the first two years.

A supermajority that wasn't even there because of the Republican recount challenge in Minnesota, then by the time that bullshit was done Kennedy died and centerfold Scott Brown took the seat, ending it.

[Penguin Union Nation]

And that was then this is now. The election is too important to not vote

You didn't make a dent in my point, which is that there is zero reason to believe Biden will be any more progressive than Obama, who campaigned on progressive values and did bupkus with them.

If it comes down to it, I'll vote down ticket, but it's going to be harder to convince me to vote for Biden. Every election cycle is the same bullshit, "Wait four more years for a real progressive, you'll get one some day." That day never comes.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The Pictures likely did him in.

Which wasn't even actual sexual harassment, just a tacky camera trick photo.

If she'd had her eyes open he would have been fine. Taking a sexy photo of a woman asleep though, not fine.

It was pretty tame, barely sexy at all. But her consent is what matters.

[Kargintina the Third]

Hats off to the Bernie people standing up for their beliefs and writing him in on election day

And gifting the world four more years of Trump in the process, betraying those beliefs in doing so.

Hey look I can’t control their actions

[San Lumen]

And that was then this is now. The election is too important to not vote

You didn't make a dent in my point, which is that there is zero reason to believe Biden will be any more progressive than Obama, who campaigned on progressive values and did bupkus with them.

If it comes down to it, I'll vote down ticket, but it's going to be harder to convince me to vote for Biden.

A trump re-election would be a catastrophe to ghastly to discuss

[Gormwood]

Hats off to the Bernie people standing up for their beliefs and writing him in on election day

And gifting the world four more years of Trump in the process, betraying those beliefs in doing so.

KTT is a MAGAForcer. It's snide disingenuous praise for the Bernie Bros.

[Cisairse]

He had control of the House and Senate for two years!

Progressives literally did not exist in the period 2008 - 2010.

What are we defining "progressive" as this week?

[Galloism]

Hats off to the Bernie people standing up for their beliefs and writing him in on election day

And gifting the world four more years of Trump in the process, betraying those beliefs in doing so.

Tbh, I just can't bring myself to vote for one egregious sexist over another. I swallowed my principles and did that last time, but I don't think I can do that again. It tasted really bad, and didn't matter in the end anyway.

[San Lumen]

That’s not true

Metaphorically did not exist in the period 2008 - 2010.

Define progressive

[Penguin Union Nation]

Trying to guilt me into voting for Biden because "the progressives will get their turn later" or the like is just the same line fed to me in 2016. Guess what? They never get their turn.

[Greed and Death]

And gifting the world four more years of Trump in the process, betraying those beliefs in doing so.

Tbh, I just can't bring myself to vote for one egregious sexist over another. I swallowed my principles and did that last time, but I don't think I can do that again. It tasted really bad, and didn't matter in the end anyway.

You can always vote Libertarian. They might run Vermin Supreme.

[Cisairse]

And that was then this is now. The election is too important to not vote

You didn't make a dent in my point, which is that there is zero reason to believe Biden will be any more progressive than Obama, who campaigned on progressive values and did bupkus with them.

If it comes down to it, I'll vote down ticket, but it's going to be harder to convince me to vote for Biden. Every election cycle is the same bullshit, "Wait four more years for a real progressive, you'll get one some day." That day never comes.

Obama got about 80% of his agenda passed.

The final 20% were ending the Afghan war (which Trump ended up doing) and a public option for healthcare, which is now Biden's signature issue.

[Kargintina the Third]

And gifting the world four more years of Trump in the process, betraying those beliefs in doing so.

KTT is a MAGAForcer. It's snide disingenuous praise for the Bernie Bros.

I mean I wouldn’t call it disingenuous I do like what they are doing

[The Wiccan Israel]

Ah, so he finally dropped out. While he hasn't endorsed Biden, I suspect he will soon, once they come to an agreement on platform; Sanders will have great influence on that. Ultimately, it's up to Sanders' Supporters whether they want to back Biden or not, but Biden needs to earn their vote. How he does that, I'm not totally sure. As an outsider here, however, I would strongly recommend it given Biden is better than Trump by miles despite his flaws.

Mainly on the lack of enthusiasm among Biden’s voterbase.

Besides, if he can hardly defend himself against Bernie Sanders in the Democratic debates, how can he possibly handle Trump?

He actually did well in the last debate he had: Biden does best when it's a one-on-one, and that debate showed it. Of course, people that favor Sanders heavily won't see it that way due to bias while Biden Supporters believe he did excellent (me personally, I give it a tie), but Biden and Sanders held their ground on their respective views.

I too would prefer a Biden presidency over four more years of Trump. In the years 2000, 2004, 2016, moderate Democrats campaigned only to lose the elections of those years respectively. If Biden loses, Sanders supporters will be the ones to blame whether they voted for him or not.

[Cisairse]

And gifting the world four more years of Trump in the process, betraying those beliefs in doing so.

Tbh, I just can't bring myself to vote for one egregious sexist over another. I swallowed my principles and did that last time, but I don't think I can do that again. It tasted really bad, and didn't matter in the end anyway.

Hillary Clinton was a sexist?

[Greed and Death]

Trying to guilt me into voting for Biden because "the progressives will get their turn later" or the like is just the same line fed to me in 2016. Guess what? They never get their turn.

You will vote for Biden and you will like it.

[Gormwood]

Trying to guilt me into voting for Biden because "the progressives will get their turn later" or the like is just the same line fed to me in 2016. Guess what? They never get their turn.

Like they'll have a huge shot with a second Trump term and a possible right-wing Supreme Court majority.

[Cisairse]

Trying to guilt me into voting for Biden because "the progressives will get their turn later" or the like is just the same line fed to me in 2016. Guess what? They never get their turn.

You still haven't defined what you mean by "progressive."