2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Penguin Union Nation]

But Trump is completely innocent of all those sexual assault charges and you're happy to let him continue another term.

When we have two rapist warmongers to choose from, what does it matter which one of them wins? The result is the same: crappy healthcare, more wars, more bailouts for corporations instead of workers, and more hand-wringing over anyone who tries to revive class consciousness.

[Valrifell]

But Trump is completely innocent of all those sexual assault charges and you're happy to let him continue another term.

Democratic party official policy. Believe all women, unless they accuse a Democratic party politician.

It's not the official policy (yet) though some Dems definitely espouse that viewpoint.

[Shrillland]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Bernie can't drop out before Nate Silver has his general election prediction model up nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
what will I do with my free time nooooooooooooo

Well, we always have the downballot races...none until Ohio at the end of the month, but still.

[Valrifell]

But Trump is completely innocent of all those sexual assault charges and you're happy to let him continue another term. :roll:

When we have two rapist warmongers to choose from, what does it matter which one of them wins? The result is the same: crappy healthcare, more wars, more bailouts for corporations instead of workers, and more hand-wringing over anyone who tries to revive class consciousness.

Here's a fun fact: there's more to the government than the Presidency, and a President Biden is more likely (>0%) to support a progressive agenda set by a progressive Congress, whereas Trump has a 0% chance of doing that.

Which is why I'll be voting for a progressive challenger to my local district in June.

EDIT: Mixed up my greater than and less than signs. :(

[Vassenor]

Speaking of, where are all the Warrenists demanding the party be punished for not nominating her?

[Gormwood]

But Trump is completely innocent of all those sexual assault charges and you're happy to let him continue another term.

Democratic party official policy. Believe all women, unless they accuse a Democratic party politician.

Which is why Al Franken is still Minnesota Senator.

[Genivaria]

Ah, so he finally dropped out. While he hasn't endorsed Biden, I suspect he will soon, once they come to an agreement on platform; Sanders will have great influence on that. Ultimately, it's up to Sanders' Supporters whether they want to back Biden or not, but Biden needs to earn their vote. How he does that, I'm not totally sure. As an outsider here, however, I would strongly recommend it given Biden is better than Trump by miles despite his flaws.

Mainly on the lack of enthusiasm among Biden’s voterbase.

Besides, if he can hardly defend himself against Bernie Sanders in the Democratic debates, how can he possibly handle Trump?

He actually did well in the last debate he had: Biden does best when it's a one-on-one, and that debate showed it. Of course, people that favor Sanders heavily won't see it that way due to bias while Biden Supporters believe he did excellent (me personally, I give it a tie), but Biden and Sanders held their ground on their respective views.

The country is already destroyed if your hope to restore it is Joseph R. Biden, rapist at large.

Reminder people are innocent until proven guilty. I've always held said accusations with a grain of salt: people do make up things (as one of my friends was accused only to learn they were false). The burden of prove needs to be proven on both sides and until I see sufficient evidence from both, it's a he-said, she-said deal. The fact Sanders hasn't even attacked Biden on said allegations should tell us something.

As I said before I'll vote for Biden if he pulls his head out of his ass and supports Medicare for all, until thenbi see no point in leaving the house to vote.

[Corrian]

Biden now officially the democratic nominee, and with that Trump has just won re-election

I don't know why folks on the left (economically) are so eager to declare defeat just because it's not Sanders.

Biden's not ideal but, I, for one, am willing to play to the consequentialist argument and say that Biden would be better than Trump.

I don't get it. I do think IF he loses, it'll be in a similar fashion as Clinton. But I've always thought he had a better chance than Clinton to win. So I don't get what's with all this defeatism. He's clearly more loved in even the Democratic party, based off the fact Sanders basically got the same votes as 2016 in Michigan but Biden got way more. The fact he's doing way better than Clinton in Wisconsin. So on and so forth. Biden is more liked, and people need to accept that.

[San Lumen]

Democratic party official policy. Believe all women, unless they accuse a Democratic party politician.

Which is why Al Franken is still Minnesota Senator.

What was done to him was a travesty and I will never forgive Gillibrand for what she did

[Penguin Union Nation]

President Biden is more likely (<0%) to support a progressive agenda set by a progressive Congress

Obama had years to support a progressive agenda and didn't. What makes you think Biden is any more progressive than Obama was?

[San Lumen]

Ah, so he finally dropped out. While he hasn't endorsed Biden, I suspect he will soon, once they come to an agreement on platform; Sanders will have great influence on that. Ultimately, it's up to Sanders' Supporters whether they want to back Biden or not, but Biden needs to earn their vote. How he does that, I'm not totally sure. As an outsider here, however, I would strongly recommend it given Biden is better than Trump by miles despite his flaws.



He actually did well in the last debate he had: Biden does best when it's a one-on-one, and that debate showed it. Of course, people that favor Sanders heavily won't see it that way due to bias while Biden Supporters believe he did excellent (me personally, I give it a tie), but Biden and Sanders held their ground on their respective views.



Reminder people are innocent until proven guilty. I've always held said accusations with a grain of salt: people do make up things (as one of my friends was accused only to learn they were false). The burden of prove needs to be proven on both sides and until I see sufficient evidence from both, it's a he-said, she-said deal. The fact Sanders hasn't even attacked Biden on said allegations should tell us something.

As I said before I'll vote for Biden if he pulls his head out of his ass and supports Medicare for all, until thenbi see no point in leaving the house to vote.

President isnt the only thing on the ballot

[Greed and Death]

Democratic party official policy. Believe all women, unless they accuse a Democratic party politician.

Which is why Al Franken is still Minnesota Senator.

The Pictures likely did him in.

[Shrillland]

Ah, so he finally dropped out. While he hasn't endorsed Biden, I suspect he will soon, once they come to an agreement on platform; Sanders will have great influence on that. Ultimately, it's up to Sanders' Supporters whether they want to back Biden or not, but Biden needs to earn their vote. How he does that, I'm not totally sure. As an outsider here, however, I would strongly recommend it given Biden is better than Trump by miles despite his flaws.



He actually did well in the last debate he had: Biden does best when it's a one-on-one, and that debate showed it. Of course, people that favor Sanders heavily won't see it that way due to bias while Biden Supporters believe he did excellent (me personally, I give it a tie), but Biden and Sanders held their ground on their respective views.



Reminder people are innocent until proven guilty. I've always held said accusations with a grain of salt: people do make up things (as one of my friends was accused only to learn they were false). The burden of prove needs to be proven on both sides and until I see sufficient evidence from both, it's a he-said, she-said deal. The fact Sanders hasn't even attacked Biden on said allegations should tell us something.

As I said before I'll vote for Biden if he pulls his head out of his ass and supports Medicare for all, until thenbi see no point in leaving the house to vote.

Don't you have stuff to vote for downballot? Congress, State races, anything?

[Gormwood]

President Biden is more likely (<0%) to support a progressive agenda set by a progressive Congress

Obama had years to support a progressive agenda and didn't. What makes you think Biden is any more progressive than Obama was?

How dare Obama let a Republican Senate majority cockblock him!

[Valrifell]

President Biden is more likely (<0%) to support a progressive agenda set by a progressive Congress

Obama had years to support a progressive agenda and didn't. What makes you think Biden is any more progressive than Obama was?

Well first of all the progressive movement didn't exist in it's current force as it did back then.

[Shrillland]

Which is why Al Franken is still Minnesota Senator.

The Pictures likely did him in.

Yeah, that's why I can't be so forgiving as some of you guys.

[Gormwood]

Which is why Al Franken is still Minnesota Senator.

The Pictures likely did him in.

Which wasn't even actual sexual harassment, just a tacky camera trick photo.

[Vassenor]

President Biden is more likely (<0%) to support a progressive agenda set by a progressive Congress

Obama had years to support a progressive agenda and didn't. What makes you think Biden is any more progressive than Obama was?

But President Trump totally will, apparently.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Obama had years to support a progressive agenda and didn't. What makes you think Biden is any more progressive than Obama was?

How dare Obama let a Republican Senate majority cockblock him!

"Obama had years to support a progressive agenda" isn't wrong though. He had the first two years.

[San Lumen]

The Pictures likely did him in.

Which wasn't even actual sexual harassment, just a tacky camera trick photo.

There was no reason for him to have resigned

[Penguin Union Nation]

How dare Obama let a Republican Senate majority cockblock him!

He had control of the House and Senate for two years!

[San Lumen]

How dare Obama let a Republican Senate majority cockblock him!

He had control of the House and Senate for two years!

And that was then this is now. The election is too important to not vote

[Zurkerx]

Ah, so he finally dropped out. While he hasn't endorsed Biden, I suspect he will soon, once they come to an agreement on platform; Sanders will have great influence on that. Ultimately, it's up to Sanders' Supporters whether they want to back Biden or not, but Biden needs to earn their vote. How he does that, I'm not totally sure. As an outsider here, however, I would strongly recommend it given Biden is better than Trump by miles despite his flaws.



He actually did well in the last debate he had: Biden does best when it's a one-on-one, and that debate showed it. Of course, people that favor Sanders heavily won't see it that way due to bias while Biden Supporters believe he did excellent (me personally, I give it a tie), but Biden and Sanders held their ground on their respective views.



Reminder people are innocent until proven guilty. I've always held said accusations with a grain of salt: people do make up things (as one of my friends was accused only to learn they were false). The burden of prove needs to be proven on both sides and until I see sufficient evidence from both, it's a he-said, she-said deal. The fact Sanders hasn't even attacked Biden on said allegations should tell us something.

As I said before I'll vote for Biden if he pulls his head out of his ass and supports Medicare for all, until thenbi see no point in leaving the house to vote.

Which seems unlikely: he won't abolish private healthcare. I will say this: you should vote for the other races still, unless you're in a State that it really doesn't matter, say, Illinois or Mississippi.

I don't know why folks on the left (economically) are so eager to declare defeat just because it's not Sanders.

Biden's not ideal but, I, for one, am willing to play to the consequentialist argument and say that Biden would be better than Trump.

I don't get it. I do think IF he loses, it'll be in a similar fashion as Clinton. But I've always thought he had a better chance than Clinton to win. So I don't get what's with all this defeatism. He's clearly more loved in even the Democratic party, based off the fact Sanders basically got the same votes as 2016 in Michigan but Biden got way more. The fact he's doing way better than Clinton in Wisconsin. So on and so forth. Biden is more liked, and people need to accept that.

It's a heartbreak moment for Sanders Supporters: it's not easy when a candidate you believe has fought for your causes suddenly ends their campaign. I do agree with you: Biden is a stronger candidate and draws stronger appeal. He got more votes and won over demographics that Clinton couldn't capitalize on. Of course, Biden needs to win over said voters, but Biden is more likable, and that will help bigly. Also too, this race will be close regardless.

[Kargintina the Third]

Hats off to the Bernie people standing up for their beliefs and writing him in on election day

[Shrillland]

How dare Obama let a Republican Senate majority cockblock him!

He had control of the House and Senate for two years!

Not enough. In our modern Senate, anything less than 60 votes, and 60 ideologically concurrent votes at that, is just the same as having 49. The Republicans know this, Democrats started it but forgot.