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2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

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How do You Plan to Vote This Year?

At a Polling Place
40
22%
By Mail(If Allowed)
42
23%
Early Voting
6
3%
I Won't Vote
14
8%
I Can't Vote(To Young/Outside the US)
80
44%
 
Total votes : 182

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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:52 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:So Sanders has COVID19 or they found some serious dirt on him.


I don't understand why you can't just take this at face value and have to assume your hero was compromised in some way.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:54 am

Valrifell wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:So Sanders has COVID19 or they found some serious dirt on him.


I don't understand why you can't just take this at face value and have to assume your hero was compromised in some way.

He's not my hero.

The man who took a much tougher opponent in Clinton all the way to the convention whilst being even further behind giving up to a very beatable Biden?
Yeah fucking right.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:54 am

Shrillland wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't know why folks on the left (economically) are so eager to declare defeat just because it's not Sanders.

Biden's not ideal but, I, for one, am willing to play to the consequentialist argument and say that Biden would be better than Trump.


A rotten pineapple would be better than Trump as I see it, but a lot of people don't think Biden can win.


Which is weird, because the crux of how he got elected is because people thought he could do a really good job at winning, but then the narrative seems to have shifted partways through.

Either that or the internet isn't a great representative of the nation. Most likely the second thing.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:55 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't understand why you can't just take this at face value and have to assume your hero was compromised in some way.

He's not my hero.

The man who took a much tougher opponent in Clinton all the way to the convention whilst being even further behind giving up to a very beatable Biden?
Yeah fucking right.


The delegate and popular vote counts are nowhere near as friendly to Sanders as they were in 2016. Evidence shows that Clinton was more beatable than Biden, apparently. Have you not been fanatically devoting yourself to election coverage like the rest of us?

SHAME!
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:56 am

Valrifell wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:He's not my hero.

The man who took a much tougher opponent in Clinton all the way to the convention whilst being even further behind giving up to a very beatable Biden?
Yeah fucking right.


The delegate and popular vote counts are nowhere near as friendly to Sanders as they were in 2016. Have you not been fanatically devoting yourself to election coverage like the rest of us?

SHAME!


J.P. Morgan should erect a statue to Mr. Sanders. He has ensured that wokeness, not class politics is the order of the day. I look forward to more of your ilk becoming fanatical defenders of the bill collectors because they are mainly women of color!

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Postby Galloism » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:56 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't know why folks on the left (economically) are so eager to declare defeat just because it's not Sanders.

Biden's not ideal but, I, for one, am willing to play to the consequentialist argument and say that Biden would be better than Trump.

Honestly to further my goals Trump should win in a near landslide, with nearly all of congress going red.

Then more on the left will come to conclusion that democracy won’t fix shit and lead to a revolution

Let's not be engaging in violent revolutions. My beer supply is too important.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:57 am

Valrifell wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:He's not my hero.

The man who took a much tougher opponent in Clinton all the way to the convention whilst being even further behind giving up to a very beatable Biden?
Yeah fucking right.


The delegate and popular vote counts are nowhere near as friendly to Sanders as they were in 2016. Evidence shows that Clinton was more beatable than Biden, apparently. Have you not been fanatically devoting yourself to election coverage like the rest of us?

SHAME!


Hey, I can understand people being somewhat distracted by Covid. I'm sure yesterday's vote in Wisconsin caught some people completely off guard until the showdown over the date.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:57 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't know why folks on the left (economically) are so eager to declare defeat just because it's not Sanders.

Biden's not ideal but, I, for one, am willing to play to the consequentialist argument and say that Biden would be better than Trump.

Honestly to further my goals Trump should win in a near landslide, with nearly all of congress going red.

Then more on the left will come to conclusion that democracy won’t fix shit and lead to a revolution

Dahon, is that you?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:57 am

Valrifell wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:He's not my hero.

The man who took a much tougher opponent in Clinton all the way to the convention whilst being even further behind giving up to a very beatable Biden?
Yeah fucking right.


The delegate and popular vote counts are nowhere near as friendly to Sanders as they were in 2016. Evidence shows that Clinton was more beatable than Biden, apparently. Have you not been fanatically devoting yourself to election coverage like the rest of us?

SHAME!

It's worth note that the population voting in the primary and the population voting in the general election are not the same.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:58 am

Valrifell wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
A rotten pineapple would be better than Trump as I see it, but a lot of people don't think Biden can win.


Which is weird, because the crux of how he got elected is because people thought he could do a really good job at winning, but then the narrative seems to have shifted partways through.

Either that or the internet isn't a great representative of the nation. Most likely the second thing.

If the internet actually mattered there should have been a Ron Paul presidency and Bernie would have been the nominee weeks ago.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:59 am

Galloism wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The delegate and popular vote counts are nowhere near as friendly to Sanders as they were in 2016. Evidence shows that Clinton was more beatable than Biden, apparently. Have you not been fanatically devoting yourself to election coverage like the rest of us?

SHAME!

It's worth note that the population voting in the primary and the population voting in the general election are not the same.


I presumed that when Naz talked about "beatablity" they were talking about in the primaries.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:59 am

Galloism wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Honestly to further my goals Trump should win in a near landslide, with nearly all of congress going red.

Then more on the left will come to conclusion that democracy won’t fix shit and lead to a revolution

Let's not be engaging in violent revolutions. My beer supply is too important.


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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:17 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I don't understand why you can't just take this at face value and have to assume your hero was compromised in some way.

He's not my hero.

The man who took a much tougher opponent in Clinton all the way to the convention whilst being even further behind giving up to a very beatable Biden?
Yeah fucking right.

Maybe the DNC offered up a cash payoff.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:18 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:He's not my hero.

The man who took a much tougher opponent in Clinton all the way to the convention whilst being even further behind giving up to a very beatable Biden?
Yeah fucking right.

Maybe the DNC offered up a cash payoff.

He's already pretty wealthy so I cannot imagine that working.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:22 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Maybe the DNC offered up a cash payoff.

He's already pretty wealthy so I cannot imagine that working.

If that actually happened you know someone would leak it just to destroy Bernie's sacred image in the eyes of the Sandernistas.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:24 am

Welp I'm looking for another party to join.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:25 am

Gormwood wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:He's already pretty wealthy so I cannot imagine that working.

If that actually happened you know someone would leak it just to destroy Bernie's sacred image in the eyes of the Sandernistas.


If it already isn’t. Lol.
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Postby Juristonia » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:27 am

Gormwood wrote:If that actually happened you know someone would leak it just to destroy Bernie's sacred image in the eyes of the Sandernistas.

But at least you had the chance to preempt these theoretical people with yet another snide comment about them.
So, you know, everyone gets to feel good about themselves.
Woohoo.


I think it's a smart move from Sanders to bow out now.
There's no real path to victory for him anymore anyway. There's no reason to suspect any super secret conspiracy behind it. He just didn't have the numbers.
As much as I dislike Biden, now's probably the best time to start rallying around a nominee anyway, and I think Sanders is well aware of that too.
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Postby The Wiccan Israel » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:33 am

Biden will be decimated by Trump. Sanders meanwhile will continue to work for the American people especially in this time of crisis. Needless to say, Sanders has achieved more than Biden ever will.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:34 am

Genivaria wrote:Welp I'm looking for another party to join.


Join my party, we go wild and we go hard.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:34 am

The Wiccan Israel wrote:Biden will be decimated by Trump. Sanders meanwhile will continue to work for the American people especially in this time of crisis. Needless to say, Sanders has achieved more than Biden ever will.


And you base this on what evidence?
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:35 am

I'm starting to think the democrats in this thread care more about Sanders losing than defeating Trump.
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Postby Juristonia » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:36 am

The Wiccan Israel wrote:Biden will be decimated by Trump. Sanders meanwhile will continue to work for the American people especially in this time of crisis. Needless to say, Sanders has achieved more than Biden ever will.

Nah, Biden stands a good chance, even with his flaws. Trump's entire presidency has been far too polarising.
I do think it's going to be way to close for comfort though, and if Biden starts taking a win for granted, he could be in trouble.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:37 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:I'm starting to think the democrats in this thread care more about Sanders losing than defeating Trump.


Of course they do! Sanders represented a change they certainly don’t want to happen.

As if they like being in power.
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Postby Penguin Union Nation » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:37 am

I'm not choosing between two rapist warmongers for President. It's just not going to happen. I know I said a while ago I'd pick Biden if just for the Supreme Court, but since all those allegations came out, it pushed me over the edge on this.

The worst thing is, a great man like Bernie Sanders has been fighting for the little guy for his entire life and many people are too blinded by their team politics to see what a great loss this is to democracy and the country at large. Perhaps one day we'll all see that he was correct all along. And maybe by then it won't be too late.

Even if Bernie himself tells me to vote for Joe Biden, I still won't.

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