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2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

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How do You Plan to Vote This Year?

At a Polling Place
40
22%
By Mail(If Allowed)
42
23%
Early Voting
6
3%
I Won't Vote
14
8%
I Can't Vote(To Young/Outside the US)
80
44%
 
Total votes : 182

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Gormwood
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:45 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
I agree.

Let us pursue accelerationism to the max.

Oh, didn't know you were also a doomsday prepper.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:50 pm

Gormwood wrote:

Oh, didn't know you were also a doomsday prepper.

I envy them greatly, but the modern age is decaying already. Why delay the inevitable?
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:55 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Oh, didn't know you were also a doomsday prepper.

I envy them greatly, but the modern age is decaying already. Why delay the inevitable?

Only three kinds of people want society to collapse immediately. Those who fantasize they'll be part of the inner circle of what rises from the wreckage, those who fantasize about being a post-apocalyptic warlord, and those who fantasize about being the Joker without having to worry about a Batman caving their faces in.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:00 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I envy them greatly, but the modern age is decaying already. Why delay the inevitable?

Only three kinds of people want society to collapse immediately. Those who fantasize they'll be part of the inner circle of what rises from the wreckage, those who fantasize about being a post-apocalyptic warlord, and those who fantasize about being the Joker without having to worry about a Batman caving their faces in.

Don't be silly, we can be all three.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:03 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Only three kinds of people want society to collapse immediately. Those who fantasize they'll be part of the inner circle of what rises from the wreckage, those who fantasize about being a post-apocalyptic warlord, and those who fantasize about being the Joker without having to worry about a Batman caving their faces in.

Don't be silly, we can be all three.


Or none.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:12 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:This is what’s called an oversimplification to the point of lying.
You see, the recession of 1937 happened under FDR-because he started listening to the free-marketeers and small government types, and instituted autarky. When he stopped listening to them, the second recession ended. Would you like t’try again?

Meddling in the market is not exactly listening to free-marketeers. Causation and correlation tend to be separate things.

I’ve never understood how people can look at the Depression, see a misstep by the Treasury Department, and then miss the entire rest of the New Deal.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:19 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Oh, didn't know you were also a doomsday prepper.

I envy them greatly, but the modern age is decaying already. Why delay the inevitable?


An argument in favor of suicide.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:22 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I envy them greatly, but the modern age is decaying already. Why delay the inevitable?


An argument in favor of suicide.


If the future is worse than death, it's distinctly possible that death is the answer.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
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-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
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-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
An argument in favor of suicide.


If the future is worse than death, it's distinctly possible that death is the answer.


The annihilation of the self is the worst thing that can happen to someone.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:28 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
If the future is worse than death, it's distinctly possible that death is the answer.


The annihilation of the self is the worst thing that can happen to someone.


Society seems to disagree.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:45 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I envy them greatly, but the modern age is decaying already. Why delay the inevitable?


An argument in favor of suicide.

If the social order is beyond repair, it is virtuous to cast it off. The Founders understood this, modern Americans do not.
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Cisairse
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:46 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Oh, didn't know you were also a doomsday prepper.

I envy them greatly, but the modern age is decaying already. Why delay the inevitable?


I head this line in a Roger Waters album somewhere...
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Shrillland
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:38 pm

The polls are now closed, and counting won't begin until next Monday. In the meantime, the Alaska Primary ends on Friday, but with nothing downballot.
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True Refuge
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Postby True Refuge » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:55 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:FDR prolonged the Depression and botched the response so badly that another recession occurred in 1937.


I rarely see criticisms of the New Deal paired with the proper alternative. At first glance Hoover's initial response appeared to be wholly insufficient, and even the initial stimulus packages that he suggested (which were considerably better than nothing at all, of course) faced stern opposition in Congress.

What was the proper course of action when faced with a collapsing banking system?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:20 pm

True Refuge wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:FDR prolonged the Depression and botched the response so badly that another recession occurred in 1937.


I rarely see criticisms of the New Deal paired with the proper alternative. At first glance Hoover's initial response appeared to be wholly insufficient, and even the initial stimulus packages that he suggested (which were considerably better than nothing at all, of course) faced stern opposition in Congress.

What was the proper course of action when faced with a collapsing banking system?


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Postby Shrillland » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:28 am

The Presidential Primary is officially over. Sanders has dropped out.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:28 am

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Postby Galloism » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:35 am


Congratulations Mr. Trump, on your reelection.

Good game, no rematch.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:36 am



I don't know why folks on the left (economically) are so eager to declare defeat just because it's not Sanders.

Biden's not ideal but, I, for one, am willing to play to the consequentialist argument and say that Biden would be better than Trump.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:37 am

So many fatalists in this thread.
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Postby Crockerland » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:40 am


No refunds. Hope Bernie enjoys his next new mansion.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:40 am

Valrifell wrote:


I don't know why folks on the left (economically) are so eager to declare defeat just because it's not Sanders.

Biden's not ideal but, I, for one, am willing to play to the consequentialist argument and say that Biden would be better than Trump.


A rotten pineapple would be better than Trump as I see it, but a lot of people don't think Biden can win. All Biden really has to do now is hammer home how badly mishandled this whole plague affair has been, and people will ignore the rest. They ignored the rest with Reagan in 1980.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:43 am

Aaaand Sanders is gone. Hopefully the demonstration of how the US government gets more people to turn out at the polls and vote Biden. Not a lot of people are satisfied with the Trump administration’s response to the outbreak.

I really, really hope Sanders gets a cabinet position.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:48 am

Valrifell wrote:


I don't know why folks on the left (economically) are so eager to declare defeat just because it's not Sanders.

Biden's not ideal but, I, for one, am willing to play to the consequentialist argument and say that Biden would be better than Trump.

Honestly to further my goals Trump should win in a near landslide, with nearly all of congress going red.

Then more on the left will come to conclusion that democracy won’t fix shit and lead to a revolution
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:49 am

So Sanders has COVID19 or they found some serious dirt on him.
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