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Corrian wrote:

San Lumen wrote:and hopefully this helps get Sanders supporters on board and they dont vote third party in the fall throwing the election to Trump again

Daily reminder that Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in greater numbers, faster, than Clinton supporters ever voted for Obama. So we can't really blame them for how they voted. It was just an overall shitty election year.

And more Sanders voters flipped Trump in the key four states than his margin of victory.

Corrian wrote:We just can't get rid of Kobach, can we?

What did he do now? But some good news on him:Appeals court backs ruling against voter registration law in Kansas.

A federal appeals court on Wednesday backed a lower court’s ruling that a Kansas voter identification law crafted by former Secretary of State Kris Kobach is unconstitutional and violates the National Voter Registration Act.

General Election Poll from St. Anselm College - New Hampshire: Biden 50 Trump 42.

Wasn't NH decided by a couple thousand votes in 2016?

Vassenor wrote:

Corrian wrote:Daily reminder that Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in greater numbers, faster, than Clinton supporters ever voted for Obama. So we can't really blame them for how they voted. It was just an overall shitty election year.

And more Sanders voters flipped Trump in the key four states than his margin of victory.

Doesn't matter. They still voted Clinton as much as possible compared to Clinton supporters for Obama. It sucks they did that, but its likely the types that were just fed up with the whole system, and I can't blame them.

Zurkerx wrote:

Corrian wrote:We just can't get rid of Kobach, can we?

What did he do now? But some good news on him:Appeals court backs ruling against voter registration law in Kansas.

A federal appeals court on Wednesday backed a lower court’s ruling that a Kansas voter identification law crafted by former Secretary of State Kris Kobach is unconstitutional and violates the National Voter Registration Act.

Just that he lost the governor's race so now he's trying for the Senate.

Jerzylvania wrote:General Election Poll from St. Anselm College - New Hampshire: Biden 50 Trump 42.

Wasn't NH decided by a couple thousand votes in 2016?

Clinton won NH by a few percentage points. The Senate race was nail-biting with Ayotte losing to Maggie Hassan by the tiniest of margins.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Jerzylvania wrote:General Election Poll from St. Anselm College - New Hampshire: Biden 50 Trump 42.

Wasn't NH decided by a couple thousand votes in 2016?

Clinton won NH by a few percentage points. The Senate race was nail-biting with Ayotte losing to Maggie Hassan by the tiniest of margins.

Actually no, Clinton got 47.62% to Trump's 47.25% and arguably, if Johnson wasn't in the race, he would have won the State. So, it was under .5% points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Unit ... _Hampshire

Zurkerx wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Clinton won NH by a few percentage points. The Senate race was nail-biting with Ayotte losing to Maggie Hassan by the tiniest of margins.

Actually no, Clinton got 47.62% to Trump's 47.25% and arguably, if Johnson wasn't in the race, he would have won the State. So, it was under .5% points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Unit ... _Hampshire

Oh damn I don't recall it being that close. The Senate race, however, now that was a razor-thin margin.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Jerzylvania wrote:General Election Poll from St. Anselm College - New Hampshire: Biden 50 Trump 42.

Wasn't NH decided by a couple thousand votes in 2016?

Clinton won NH by a few percentage points. The Senate race was nail-biting with Ayotte losing to Maggie Hassan by the tiniest of margins.

48% to 47.8% according to wikipedia

Just about 1k votes.

Jerzylvania wrote:General Election Poll from St. Anselm College - New Hampshire: Biden 50 Trump 42.

Wasn't NH decided by a couple thousand votes in 2016?

Yes and a margin like That might be enough for Sununu to lose reelection

Zurkerx wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Clinton won NH by a few percentage points. The Senate race was nail-biting with Ayotte losing to Maggie Hassan by the tiniest of margins.

Actually no, Clinton got 47.62% to Trump's 47.25% and arguably, if Johnson wasn't in the race, he would have won the State. So, it was under .5% points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Unit ... _Hampshire

That's one thing I always found amusing about the vitriol towards third parties in 2016. If they weren't in the race Trump not only would have had a better win but he very possibly could have won the popular vote too.

San Lumen wrote:

Jerzylvania wrote:General Election Poll from St. Anselm College - New Hampshire: Biden 50 Trump 42.

Wasn't NH decided by a couple thousand votes in 2016?

Yes and a margin like That might be enough for Sununu to lose reelection

Chris isn't as awful as his Dad John Sununu though it would still be good to see him defeated.

Jerzylvania wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Yes and a margin like That might be enough for Sununu to lose reelection

Chris isn't as awful as his Dad John Sununu though it would still be good to see him defeated.

The margin was much closer than expected in 2018 and in a Presidential year an upset isnt out of the question

Jerzylvania wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Yes and a margin like That might be enough for Sununu to lose reelection

Chris isn't as awful as his Dad John Sununu though it would still be good to see him defeated.

I always read Sununu as Snusnu, which...yeah.

Major-Tom wrote:

Jerzylvania wrote:
Chris isn't as awful as his Dad John Sununu though it would still be good to see him defeated.

I always read Sununu as Snusnu, which...yeah.

"DEATH... BY SUNUNU!!!"

Kowani wrote:Twitter suspends Howie Hawkins’ account because reasons.

It has since been restored - got an email from the campaign about that today.

EDIT: Though a quick search on Twitter doesn't seem to be showing it, so I dunno

EDIT2: Found it, but only by clicking the link in the email. Couldn't search it on Twitter. Search still isn't pulling it up even though I follow it now lol

Page wrote:Howie Hawkins has an impressive platform and he seems like a much better candidate than Jill Stein was. I browsed his website and I was impressed by the fact that he called for community control of the police, an issue I have strong feelings towards. And O like the fact that he is a union man.

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Kannap wrote:

Page wrote:Howie Hawkins has an impressive platform and he seems like a much better candidate than Jill Stein was. I browsed his website and I was impressed by the fact that he called for community control of the police, an issue I have strong feelings towards. And O like the fact that he is a union man.

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I'm down

Kannap wrote:

Page wrote:Howie Hawkins has an impressive platform and he seems like a much better candidate than Jill Stein was. I browsed his website and I was impressed by the fact that he called for community control of the police, an issue I have strong feelings towards. And O like the fact that he is a union man.

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Not sure enough people like the idea of President who goes by the name Howie.

Accidentally put this in the MAGAthread... so now posted here.

Re: 2020 election (and beyond):
- Biden will pick Kamala Harris as his VP (because the Dems need to be seen to practice what they preach about women and minorities).
- He'll win in November (though by a narrower margin than predicted/expected - it'll come down to Wisconsin!)
- Ohio will end its trend as the bellwether state, backing Trump over winner Biden.
- More women will come forward with sexual harassment/assault claims against Biden (both during the election and while in office).
- Biden's presidency will be marked by lacklustre, unambitious policy and personal damage control.
- Democrat infighting (especially from the left of the party) will prove more debilitating than Republican opposition; moderate Republican gains at midterms.
- Biden, if he sees out the term, cites age and announces early on (maybe after those uncomfortable but not Obama level catastrophic midterms) that he won't run in 2024.
- VP Harris becomes favorite for 2024 Dem nomination (no guarantee).
- Pence, Cruz, and Second Try Romney (possibly with Nikki Haley in the mix) all set out their stalls early for the 2024 Republican nomination.
- Hmm maybe first female POTUS in 2024.

Entre Rios wrote:Accidentally put this in the MAGAthread... so now posted here.

Re: 2020 election (and beyond):
- Biden will pick Kamala Harris as his VP (because the Dems need to be seen to practice what they preach about women and minorities).
- He'll win in November (though by a narrower margin than predicted/expected - it'll come down to Wisconsin!)
- Ohio will end its trend as the bellwether state, backing Trump over winner Biden.
- More women will come forward with sexual harassment/assault claims against Biden (both during the election and while in office).
- Biden's presidency will be marked by lacklustre, unambitious policy and personal damage control.
- Democrat infighting (especially from the left of the party) will prove more debilitating than Republican opposition; moderate Republican gains at midterms.
- Biden, if he sees out the term, cites age and announces early on (maybe after those uncomfortable but not Obama level catastrophic midterms) that he won't run in 2024.
- VP Harris becomes favorite for 2024 Dem nomination (no guarantee).
- Pence, Cruz, and Second Try Romney (possibly with Nikki Haley in the mix) all set out their stalls early for the 2024 Republican nomination.
- Hmm maybe first female POTUS in 2024.

Harris has too much baggage with said minorities.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Kannap wrote:
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Not sure enough people like the idea of President who goes by the name Howie.

Much better name than the other generic boring options. Joe? Donald? *shudders thinking of 2016* Gary?!

Vassenor wrote:

Entre Rios wrote:Accidentally put this in the MAGAthread... so now posted here.

Re: 2020 election (and beyond):
- Biden will pick Kamala Harris as his VP (because the Dems need to be seen to practice what they preach about women and minorities).
- He'll win in November (though by a narrower margin than predicted/expected - it'll come down to Wisconsin!)
- Ohio will end its trend as the bellwether state, backing Trump over winner Biden.
- More women will come forward with sexual harassment/assault claims against Biden (both during the election and while in office).
- Biden's presidency will be marked by lacklustre, unambitious policy and personal damage control.
- Democrat infighting (especially from the left of the party) will prove more debilitating than Republican opposition; moderate Republican gains at midterms.
- Biden, if he sees out the term, cites age and announces early on (maybe after those uncomfortable but not Obama level catastrophic midterms) that he won't run in 2024.
- VP Harris becomes favorite for 2024 Dem nomination (no guarantee).
- Pence, Cruz, and Second Try Romney (possibly with Nikki Haley in the mix) all set out their stalls early for the 2024 Republican nomination.
- Hmm maybe first female POTUS in 2024.

Harris has too much baggage with said minorities.

Possibly true. I do think the Dems will push for a woman of color though. I am 100% certain Biden's VP will be a woman though.

Entre Rios wrote:Accidentally put this in the MAGAthread... so now posted here.

Re: 2020 election (and beyond):
- Biden will pick Kamala Harris as his VP (because the Dems need to be seen to practice what they preach about women and minorities).
- He'll win in November (though by a narrower margin than predicted/expected - it'll come down to Wisconsin!)
- Ohio will end its trend as the bellwether state, backing Trump over winner Biden.
- More women will come forward with sexual harassment/assault claims against Biden (both during the election and while in office).
- Biden's presidency will be marked by lacklustre, unambitious policy and personal damage control.
- Democrat infighting (especially from the left of the party) will prove more debilitating than Republican opposition; moderate Republican gains at midterms.
- Biden, if he sees out the term, cites age and announces early on (maybe after those uncomfortable but not Obama level catastrophic midterms) that he won't run in 2024.
- VP Harris becomes favorite for 2024 Dem nomination (no guarantee).
- Pence, Cruz, and Second Try Romney (possibly with Nikki Haley in the mix) all set out their stalls early for the 2024 Republican nomination.
- Hmm maybe first female POTUS in 2024.

I'm not sure Biden will pick Harris, especially after she called him out for opposing busing in the debates. I think his campaign will know she will be asked about that if he picks her, and they know that the Republicans can go after her quite a bit for going from attacking him for working with segregationists to being his running mate.

I still think Tammy Baldwin is the best choice (of the conceivable options), and she could help win over more leftist voters, and help him win back Wisconsin, which I also think might be very close. I doubt he will pick her though.

I think he will probably pick Amy Klobuchar, especially if he promised her the position in return for her dropping out and endorsing him right before super Tuesday, or maybe Gretchen Whitmer, because they represent similar political beliefs and because she might be able to help him win back Michigan. Otherwise he might pick Stacey Abrams, but only if he thinks he really needs to double down on winning African-American voters, and if he thinks he has a chance of narrowly winning Georgia.

As for the 2024 Republican primary, I suspect Senator Tom Cotton might attempt to take up Trump's mantle, minus any of Trumps sporadic anti-interventionism and plus a desire for endless war with pretty much everyone other than Israel and Saudi Arabia, so the world might have another deranged American war hawk to look forward to.

Entre Rios wrote:Accidentally put this in the MAGAthread... so now posted here.

Re: 2020 election (and beyond):
- Biden will pick Kamala Harris as his VP (because the Dems need to be seen to practice what they preach about women and minorities).
- He'll win in November (though by a narrower margin than predicted/expected - it'll come down to Wisconsin!)
- Ohio will end its trend as the bellwether state, backing Trump over winner Biden.
- More women will come forward with sexual harassment/assault claims against Biden (both during the election and while in office).
- Biden's presidency will be marked by lacklustre, unambitious policy and personal damage control.
- Democrat infighting (especially from the left of the party) will prove more debilitating than Republican opposition; moderate Republican gains at midterms.
- Biden, if he sees out the term, cites age and announces early on (maybe after those uncomfortable but not Obama level catastrophic midterms) that he won't run in 2024.
- VP Harris becomes favorite for 2024 Dem nomination (no guarantee).
- Pence, Cruz, and Second Try Romney (possibly with Nikki Haley in the mix) all set out their stalls early for the 2024 Republican nomination.
- Hmm maybe first female POTUS in 2024.

I'd bet Harris is not able to get thru the vetting process.

Entre Rios wrote:Accidentally put this in the MAGAthread... so now posted here.

Re: 2020 election (and beyond):
- Biden will pick Kamala Harris as his VP (because the Dems need to be seen to practice what they preach about women and minorities).
- He'll win in November (though by a narrower margin than predicted/expected - it'll come down to Wisconsin!)
- Ohio will end its trend as the bellwether state, backing Trump over winner Biden.
- More women will come forward with sexual harassment/assault claims against Biden (both during the election and while in office).
- Biden's presidency will be marked by lacklustre, unambitious policy and personal damage control.
- Democrat infighting (especially from the left of the party) will prove more debilitating than Republican opposition; moderate Republican gains at midterms.
- Biden, if he sees out the term, cites age and announces early on (maybe after those uncomfortable but not Obama level catastrophic midterms) that he won't run in 2024.
- VP Harris becomes favorite for 2024 Dem nomination (no guarantee).
- Pence, Cruz, and Second Try Romney (possibly with Nikki Haley in the mix) all set out their stalls early for the 2024 Republican nomination.
- Hmm maybe first female POTUS in 2024.

Seems pretty plausible for the most part. Romney running again is the one thing that definitely won't happen. Cruz might run but I doubt he gets anywhere. Hawley and especially DeSantis are promising candidates besides Haley.