2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Albrenia]

I thought Twitter was a dirty leftist hive of scum and villainy, but it's also host to the Biden hivemind?

How awkward, someone should leave.

TIL Liberals=Leftists

To Americans, the terms are often synonyms, for some reason.

[Galloism]

Jack Dorsey desperately taking down anyone that doesn’t subscribe to the Biden hivemind

In other news, the sun is bright

I thought Twitter was a dirty leftist hive of scum and villainy, but it's also host to the Biden hivemind?

How awkward, someone should leave.

I had a sensible chuckle.

[Myrensis]

The GOP Scrambled to End Trump’s Candidacy Over His History of Sexual Assault. The Democrats Are Just Fine With Biden’s.

In October 2016, an alarmed Republican establishment scrambled to force Donald Trump out of the race over his history of sexual assault. Today, the Democratic establishment is united in dismissing the same allegations against Joe Biden. It says a lot about the party of believing women.

If you told a casual, left-leaning political observer in late 2018 that in less than two years, the Democratic Party would be softer on a high-level politician accused of sexual assault than the GOP were on Donald Trump, they would probably have laughed in your face. And yet, as the increasingly credible sexual assault allegation against presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden roils his still budding campaign for the presidency, this is exactly what has happened.

When Trump’s infamous Access Hollywood tape leaked on October 7, 2016 — a mere one month out from election — showing him openly bragging about how he would “grab [women] by the pussy” without consent, it was swiftly met with a chorus of voices from the GOP condemning the Republican candidate and calling on him to drop out.

Now, as Biden stands accused by a former staffer of subjecting her to exactly the same behavior in a Senate office in 1993, he has faced no such response from liberal and Democratic quarters. Instead, Democrats and their affiliates have rallied around their candidate, only doubling down as the allegations have been further corroborated.

October 2016

A mere day after the Washington Post reported on Trump’s “extremely lewd conversation” in 2005, thirty-six high-profile Republicans publicly called for him to step down and end his campaign. This included not just anti-Trump Republicans like Sens. Ben Sasse (R-NE), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), and Mike Lee (R-UT) — who, incidentally, had been shortlisted by Trump for a Supreme Court seat — but former Trump backers like Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and former Utah governor Jon Huntsman. The list ranged from governors and members of Congress to state party chairs, presidential and Congressional candidates, and high-ranking staffers and officials like Condoleezza Rice. Even right-wing radio host Hugh Hewitt, a Trump supporter who later migrated to MSNBC, called for him to withdraw.

A further ten elected GOP officials, while not calling for him to drop out, withdrew their prior support for and endorsements of Trump and/or declared they would not be voting for him in the election, representing states ranging from Utah and Alabama to Ohio and Florida. Many of the Republicans renouncing Trump did so on the grounds of basic morality and decency, with some specifically citing his treatment of women.

“I don’t want my boys growing up in a world where the President of the United States is allowed to speak or treat women the way Donald Trump has,” said Rep. Tom Rooney (R-FL), withdrawing his support.

“I have tried to do everything in my authority as an Alaskan public official over the past seven years to combat sexual assault and domestic violence,” said Sen. Dan Sullivan (R-AK). “We need national leaders who can lead by example on this critical issue. The reprehensible revelations about Donald Trump have shown that he can’t.”

“The ticket should resign, not just Trump,” said former John McCain staffer John Weaver. “The ticket owns the entirety of Trump’s behavior, past and present.” (Weaver has since founded Project Lincoln, which formally endorsed Biden earlier this month. Weaver, a self-described “Joe Biden supporter,” called Biden “the right leader we need for this moment” and part of “the Army of the Decent” on April 21, nearly four weeks after Biden’s sexual assault allegation went public).

Even the other man on the ticket, the anti-feminist Mike Pence, appeared privately and publicly disturbed by the tape. In what the New York Times called an “unheard-of rebuke by a running mate,” Pence skipped a party event in Wisconsin he was meant to attend on Trump’s behalf. Behind the scenes, Pence sent Trump a letter informing him he was making an “assessment” about whether to stick with the campaign, and reportedly planned a coup to force Trump off the ticket.

Behind the scenes, the pushback was even more intense. Frenzied GOP lawmakers, officials, donors, and activists urged then-RNC chair Reince Priebus to strip Trump of his candidacy, while RNC lawyers met to figure out if there was some arcane loophole that would let them do so. A group of billionaire lawyers offered Trump a payout to drop his bid. Priebus told Trump point blank he could either drop out immediately or suffer a historic loss, adding that Pence and Condoleezza Rice — who had been tapped by GOP donors and officials to be Pence’s emergency running mate — were ready to take over. Rep. Charlie Dent (R-PA) reportedly told the RNC they should no longer “defend the indefensible,” and declared Priebus himself should go if he failed to remove Trump.

Even some of Trump’s most cowardly enablers mustered the courage to censure him in some limited way. Former House speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) disinvited Trump from a rally the two were set to appear at together, put out a scathing press release, and announced he would neither campaign with or defend Trump over the scandal — though he declined to rescind his endorsement.

Of course, most Republicans hadn’t suddenly transformed into feminists or developed a concern for sexual assault survivors. They believed the recording would mean electoral disaster, a situation that only worsened when women soon came forward accusing Trump of the very behavior he had bragged about on tape. Polls had Clinton widening her lead in the wake of the scandal.

Nonetheless, whatever their true motives, the GOP initially acted like a party that took sexual misconduct seriously. A not insignificant number of Republican luminaries made a concerted effort in public and private to end Trump’s candidacy over his history of sexual assault, with Trump defiantly refusing to step down. They proved unable to remove him because, with Trump already officially selected as the nominee and with a little over a month to go until voting, it was impossible to strip him of his candidacy and too late to remove him from a host of state ballots. So Republicans instead put up a unified public front and rallied around their damaged, repugnant candidate, a strategy they would stick to with increasing tenacity when future Republicans were similarly accused of sexual misconduct.

Unsurprisingly, the Democrat-aligned press had a field day. “A Sexual Predator in the Republican Party’s Midst,” went one New Yorker headline. “He’s grabbed women that way,” said MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, comparing Trump to the case of former Republican Senator Bob Packwood, forced to resign over sexual harassment accusations in 1995. “So you’re not allowed to be a member of the United States Senate if you get caught doing what Donald Trump says he does, but Donald Trump is not running for Senate, he’s running for president of the United States.” Rachel Maddow was equally scathing about the GOP’s decision to close ranks around Trump. “Some Republicans and a lot of other people are fantasizing that there is a Republican Party separate and apart from Donald Trump,” she said, accurately. “But it’s just not true.”

April 2020

The GOP’s response to Trump’s sexual misconduct quickly became a disgrace. But it looks like a moral triumph when compared to the Democrats’ response to their own unofficial nominee’s alleged crime.

While a diverse array of high-ranking Republicans almost immediately denounced Trump and even called for him to step down, Democratic lawmakers refused to respond to questions about the Biden allegation in the days immediately after it went public, and continued to do so for as long as a month after. In contrast to the GOP, not a single Democrat has yet called for Biden to step down or rescinded their endorsement; not one has condemned Biden’s alleged assault.

While Republicans lined up a replacement ticket and worked furiously to kick Trump off his, they were thwarted by the late hour in which the allegation surfaced, in October. By contrast, Biden’s allegation was first aired in March, and for two weeks after he had a viable, popular opponent still in the race. At the present moment, Biden is still more than three months away from being officially named the party’s nominee, and voting is more than six months away.

Perhaps there is a similar behind-the-scenes scurrying by Democrats over their own compromised candidate. Yet it doesn’t appear so based on the party’s public behavior.

Instead, high-profile Democrats are lining up to defend their candidate and dismiss his accuser, using talking points developed by his campaign. While Pence privately and publicly rebuked Trump, considered leaving the ticket, and even looked to mount a coup, the allegation against Biden hasn’t dampened leading Democrats’ enthusiasm to be his running mate. Three such candidates — Sens. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), and former Georgia House minority leader Stacey Abrams — have all falsely claimed to the press that the New York Times exonerated Biden, with Abrams adding: “I believe Joe Biden.” (The Times investigation, in fact, corroborated several aspects of Reade’s testimony, but framed its report around denials by Biden’s top staff).

Even Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), who has fashioned a political brand as a champion of sexual assault survivors, now says she “stand[s] by Vice President Biden” because “he has vehemently denied this allegation.” Though Biden’s spokesperson has said the allegation is false, Biden himself, in contrast to candidate Trump, has never personally addressed it nor been questioned about it. Gillibrand, who took the lead in ousting former Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) over sexual misconduct charges, refused to even provide a statement to Jacobin in the days after the allegation first went public. Meanwhile, the same day Reade’s allegation was further corroborated by two more people, Biden held a “Women’s Town Hall” where he was enthusiastically endorsed by 2016 Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, during which the allegation never came up.

With every possible escape route closed to them, the Republicans of October 2016 resigned themselves to living with Trump. But with numerous escape latches at within their grasp, the Democrats of April 2020 have chosen again and again to go with Biden.

A Party in Biden’s Image

If a Martian were to look at these contrasting responses to candidates’ alleged sexual misconduct and try to guess which party was the one that claimed to “believe women” and which party espoused consistent hostility to sexual assault survivors, it would likely get the answers mixed up. That the GOP of late 2016 had a more forceful response to its nominee’s history of sexual assault than the Democratic Party of 2020 had to theirs says much about the latter.

Of course, Democrats’ silence has been enabled by a mainstream press determined to protect Biden at all costs, a goal that has prevailed throughout the election so far. Without the wall-to-wall coverage that greeted the Access Hollywood tape, there has been none of the widespread popular outrage that pushed the equally unprincipled Republicans into briefly turning on Trump. Even now, cable news coverage of the allegation is a mere trickle, while Democrat-aligned women’s groups are refusing to say anything about the scandal.

In Biden, the Democrats have truly found their closest possible Trump equivalent: a candidate whose family relentlessly profits off his political career, has an alarmingly casual disregard for the truth, is frequently incoherent in public, has a history of alleged sexual misconduct, and can seemingly do nothing to lose his party’s favor, no matter how awful. But while Trump was a creature forced on an unwilling Republican establishment, Biden’s candidacy only exists because of the concerted efforts of his party’s establishment, who chose him fully conscious of his history of sexual misconduct, and have now decided their best bet is to call an ever more credible alleged assault survivor a liar. To paraphrase Rachel Maddow: If you think there is a national Democratic Party separate and apart from Joe Biden at this point, the Democratic Party would like to disabuse you of that notion.

That last line implies that Joe Biden took over the Democratic establishment and isn't, himself, a member of that club and always has been. How goofy.

I'm not sure what to do with the rest of this information, though.

What is there to do with it. The claim is essentially that obviously Republicans are more pro-woman because they at least clucked their tongues and wagged their fingers about the stuff Trump said...before falling in obediently behind him.

It's not news, it was a repeated pattern throughout the campaign: Trump said or did something stupid and awful, Republicans wrang their hands and insisted that he didn't represent American or Republican values...and then continued backing him and working to get him elected anyway.

[Northern Davincia]

That last line implies that Joe Biden took over the Democratic establishment and isn't, himself, a member of that club and always has been. How goofy.

I'm not sure what to do with the rest of this information, though.

What is there to do with it. The claim is essentially that obviously Republicans are more pro-woman because they at least clucked their tongues and wagged their fingers about the stuff Trump said...before falling in obediently behind him.

It's not news, it was a repeated pattern throughout the campaign: Trump said or did something stupid and awful, Republicans wrang their hands and insisted that he didn't represent American or Republican values...and then continued backing him and working to get him elected anyway.

Isn't that marginally better than falling in line right away? Token resistance, at least, demonstrates desired principles even if they aren't held to.

[Albrenia]

What is there to do with it. The claim is essentially that obviously Republicans are more pro-woman because they at least clucked their tongues and wagged their fingers about the stuff Trump said...before falling in obediently behind him.

It's not news, it was a repeated pattern throughout the campaign: Trump said or did something stupid and awful, Republicans wrang their hands and insisted that he didn't represent American or Republican values...and then continued backing him and working to get him elected anyway.

Isn't that marginally better than falling in line right away? Token resistance, at least, demonstrates desired principles even if they aren't held to.

I guess in a vacuum it is better in a simple virtue signalling kind of way. The four later years of slavish obedience rather destroys any credibility their earlier complaints had though.

Although, Biden should be investigated. For both his own and Justice's sake.

[Sundiata]

Although, Biden should be investigated. For both his own and Justice's sake.

Yes, as well as President Trump.

[Corrian]

Its Twitter, but here is another thread on the allegation stuff. Still seems fishy.

[Albrenia]

Although, Biden should be investigated. For both his own and Justice's sake.

Yes, as well as President Trump.

True that.

[Corrian]

She seems to also have an absolute history of scamming and frauding people, soooo.

[Uiiop]

Its Twitter, but here is another thread on the allegation stuff. Still seems fishy.

The only thing in that thread that has been confirmed is that one opinion writer was an idiot and answered questions he shouldn't have.

All the other things involves screenshots and if those are enough my twin nation Uliop is joe biden.

That if they're not contradicted by what the reporter from business insider said or just unsourced claims we're supposed view as likely.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

She seems to also have an absolute history of scamming and frauding people, soooo.

I'm not especially caught up on my Tara Reade info. Could you provide some details of this history?

[Uiiop]

She seems to also have an absolute history of scamming and frauding people, soooo.

I'm not especially caught up on my Tara Reade info. Could you provide some details of this history?

A twitter thread of screenshots of papers that haven't been proven to link to her yet at least in regards to what Corrian is referring to on that post. A thread that has already contradicted the reporting we know.

Could be proven later or maybe it isn't her. I will say they are worth getting into but Scammer and frauders can be vics too.

They could be sufficient evidence on both ends depending on how these stories develop.

Wait and see.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

I have gone from being disappointed, to shocked.
It is a sad day when one realized the level of corruption in politics.
Particularly with high level republicans and people like Bloomberg (huge China ties).

I would almost go as far as to call them traitors. (Not per se Bloomberg, or “most” republicans, but certainly cowards)
Ther behavior is inexcusable.

I see Russia rising again causing chaos.
I see China growing and vying for power, corrupting economies.
And us, the supposed beacon of freedom and democracy, shriveling from the stage.

Look, at Japan, Hungary, Poland, the world really.
Extreme views (and extreme hatred and anger) are rising all over the world.
You could predict a WWIII in the next few decades or so.

And yet.
Here we are.
The laughing stock of the world.
Dying from the inside.



It’s a really sad day ...


Honestly I don’t know what’s worse,
If its real what I am saying or it’s the msnbc talking...

I hope to god I am wrong.



I leave with this.

Don’t look at the media personalities screaming at you.
Look at the hard data.
And make your own decisions.
The truth is in the numbers.

(Remember to always attack, always question; your beliefs.)
(Ask the right questions)
(Don’t read statements look at actions)


Well...
You know where I stand.
I will always reflect on my beliefs, and I hope you do to.

We really need it...

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The laughing stock of the world.
Dying from the inside.

...

Don’t look at the media personalities screaming at you.
Look at the hard data.
And make your own decisions.
The truth is in the numbers.

The US economy contracted 4.8% in the first quarter.

Overlook "greatest contraction since blah blah". Just go with the number. 4.8% isn't really that much.

[Page]

TIL Liberals=Leftists

To Americans, the terms are often synonyms, for some reason.

I once saw a post on social media that went like this:

Liberal: No one who works full time should live in poverty.

Progressive: No one who works full time should live in poverty.

Leftist: No one who works full time should live in poverty.

I think that's a decent example of the differences.

[Tahar Joblis]

She seems to also have an absolute history of scamming and frauding people, soooo.

I'm not especially caught up on my Tara Reade info. Could you provide some details of this history?

The most sensational allegations originate with a nonprofit that Tara Reade volunteered at (under the name Tara McCabe), Pregnant Mare Rescue. The woman who runs the place, Lynn Hummer, posted these allegations on Twitter, and provided photos and photos of documents to back up the allegations. Reade then fired back (yes, still on Twitter) accusing PMR of being a scam operation (but not denying that she worked there).

Basically, Reade stuck them with a $1400 vet bill on a horse that had been given to her from the rescue. Hummer also said she was aware of other activities Reade engaged in that were questionable (lying a lot, setting up a fraudulent GoFundMe, leaving a pile of debts behind when she skipped town). Other Twitter users dug up supporting documentation. Reade herself has admitted that the docs showing she went through bankruptcy with a pilo of debts when she left California were "her bankruptcy," i.e., legit, as part of her narratives about how she's being victimized by people daring to question her account.

It is trivially easy to verify that PMR exists, has been around for a while, has glowing reviews from volunteers and people who have adopted their horses, the occasional positive puff piece, et cetera. You can look at their tax returns on the IRS website (search here), where they detail their fundraising and annual expenses. That's not to say that they aren't a scam operation as Reade alleges, but there's no visible evidence of it outside of Reade's allegations. Conversely, if the docs posted by Hummer were fraudulent fakes, Hummer's posts would be handing Reade an open-and-shut defamation case.

Basically speaking, the accusations from Pregnant Mare Rescue have significantly more evidence in their favor than Tara Reade's accusations - there's documentary evidence, it's much more recent, there's a corroborating account from a witness (fellow volunteer), and there is a mound of positive evidence in the public domain in favor of the character of the accuser.

[Tahar Joblis]

Its Twitter, but here is another thread on the allegation stuff. Still seems fishy.

The only thing in that thread that has been confirmed is that one opinion writer was an idiot and answered questions he shouldn't have.

All the other things involves screenshots and if those are enough my twin nation Uliop is joe biden.

That if they're not contradicted by what the reporter from business insider said or just unsourced claims we're supposed view as likely.

I mean, a "reporter" / opinion writer saying that he coached his interview subjects on what to say (and on what to say to other people) stinks to high heaven in terms of the credibility of his "reporting."

The PMR accusation, as I note above, comes directly from the charity's twitter handle, operated by the person who runs the charity. Reade's admitted she volunteered there, and you can find a ton of information about them online, most of it positive. Lynn Hummer is a real person who really interacted with Tara Reade, by Reade's own admission.

The bankruptcy docs... in an interview, Tara referred to people posting "her bankruptcy" online - not calling the docs fabricated, but referring to it as a violation of her privacy etc. So apparently she thinks those are real, too.

So what do we have? We have specific reasons to be skeptical of everything brought forward to support Reade's accusation - the former roommate who had just been reminded by Tara, the brother who changes his story and was being coached by a writer trying to push the story.

What we don't have is any specific reason to believe that when Tara Reade decided to start telling people she was sexually assaulted by Biden (whether that was 1993 or 2020, which is questionable given the nature of the "corroborating" stories), she told the truth.

This is a test of #BelieveAllWomen, and at its heart, believing every accusation is absurd.

[Gormwood]

That would be something if the sexual assault allegation was Reade having a bluff called during a blackmail atempt.

[Corrian]

I'm not especially caught up on my Tara Reade info. Could you provide some details of this history?

The most sensational allegations originate with a nonprofit that Tara Reade volunteered at (under the name Tara McCabe), Pregnant Mare Rescue. The woman who runs the place, Lynn Hummer, posted these allegations on Twitter, and provided photos and photos of documents to back up the allegations. Reade then fired back (yes, still on Twitter) accusing PMR of being a scam operation (but not denying that she worked there).

Basically, Reade stuck them with a $1400 vet bill on a horse that had been given to her from the rescue. Hummer also said she was aware of other activities Reade engaged in that were questionable (lying a lot, setting up a fraudulent GoFundMe, leaving a pile of debts behind when she skipped town). Other Twitter users dug up supporting documentation. Reade herself has admitted that the docs showing she went through bankruptcy with a pilo of debts when she left California were "her bankruptcy," i.e., legit, as part of her narratives about how she's being victimized by people daring to question her account.

It is trivially easy to verify that PMR exists, has been around for a while, has glowing reviews from volunteers and people who have adopted their horses, the occasional positive puff piece, et cetera. You can look at their tax returns on the IRS website (search here), where they detail their fundraising and annual expenses. That's not to say that they aren't a scam operation as Reade alleges, but there's no visible evidence of it outside of Reade's allegations. Conversely, if the docs posted by Hummer were fraudulent fakes, Hummer's posts would be handing Reade an open-and-shut defamation case.

Basically speaking, the accusations from Pregnant Mare Rescue have significantly more evidence in their favor than Tara Reade's accusations - there's documentary evidence, it's much more recent, there's a corroborating account from a witness (fellow volunteer), and there is a mound of positive evidence in the public domain in favor of the character of the accuser.

Thank you for responding. I was exhausted last night due to my sleep schedule being all fucked.

[Stylan]

The most sensational allegations originate with a nonprofit that Tara Reade volunteered at (under the name Tara McCabe), Pregnant Mare Rescue. The woman who runs the place, Lynn Hummer, posted these allegations on Twitter, and provided photos and photos of documents to back up the allegations. Reade then fired back (yes, still on Twitter) accusing PMR of being a scam operation (but not denying that she worked there).

Basically, Reade stuck them with a $1400 vet bill on a horse that had been given to her from the rescue. Hummer also said she was aware of other activities Reade engaged in that were questionable (lying a lot, setting up a fraudulent GoFundMe, leaving a pile of debts behind when she skipped town). Other Twitter users dug up supporting documentation. Reade herself has admitted that the docs showing she went through bankruptcy with a pilo of debts when she left California were "her bankruptcy," i.e., legit, as part of her narratives about how she's being victimized by people daring to question her account.

It is trivially easy to verify that PMR exists, has been around for a while, has glowing reviews from volunteers and people who have adopted their horses, the occasional positive puff piece, et cetera. You can look at their tax returns on the IRS website (search here), where they detail their fundraising and annual expenses. That's not to say that they aren't a scam operation as Reade alleges, but there's no visible evidence of it outside of Reade's allegations. Conversely, if the docs posted by Hummer were fraudulent fakes, Hummer's posts would be handing Reade an open-and-shut defamation case.

Basically speaking, the accusations from Pregnant Mare Rescue have significantly more evidence in their favor than Tara Reade's accusations - there's documentary evidence, it's much more recent, there's a corroborating account from a witness (fellow volunteer), and there is a mound of positive evidence in the public domain in favor of the character of the accuser.

Thank you for responding. I was exhausted last night due to my sleep schedule being all fucked.

I just checked your RYM - You're a cLOUDDEAD fan? Their self titled debut is my favorite album of all time.

[Zurkerx]

Its Twitter, but here is another thread on the allegation stuff. Still seems fishy.

She seems to also have an absolute history of scamming and frauding people, soooo.

This case is a fucking mess though these allegations of her scamming and defrauding people should be look at. I also think Biden should release his Senate Records during that time period for transparency sake. But if these claims against her are true, it severely undermines her credibility as a person but I would like to see more proof other than tweets that at are either circumstantial or warrant further scrutiny. Again, I empathize that both sides need to prove their cases, and not rely on circumstantial evidence for "you! No you!". Thank god I have found a candidate I can support even if they have no shot of winning.

[Corrian]

Its Twitter, but here is another thread on the allegation stuff. Still seems fishy.

She seems to also have an absolute history of scamming and frauding people, soooo.

This case is a fucking mess though these allegations of her scamming and defrauding people should be look at. I also think Biden should release his Senate Records during that time period for transparency sake. But if these claims against her are true, it severely undermines her credibility as a person but I would like to see more proof other than tweets that at are either circumstantial or warrant further scrutiny. Again, I empathize that both sides need to prove their cases, and not rely on circumstantial evidence for "you! No you!". Thank god I have found a candidate I can support even if they have no shot of winning.

The post in response to one of mine explains it better.

[Jerzylvania]

Address your concerns to Jeff Bezos.

Don't you mean your concerns?

No. I am not concerned. It's a pussy fart in the wind.

[Zurkerx]

This case is a fucking mess though these allegations of her scamming and defrauding people should be look at. I also think Biden should release his Senate Records during that time period for transparency sake. But if these claims against her are true, it severely undermines her credibility as a person but I would like to see more proof other than tweets that at are either circumstantial or warrant further scrutiny. Again, I empathize that both sides need to prove their cases, and not rely on circumstantial evidence for "you! No you!". Thank god I have found a candidate I can support even if they have no shot of winning.

The post in response to one of mine explains it better.

I saw later. Hmm, her credibility can be called into question then. Still doesn't mean what Biden did by violating her space is wrong, but it can lead to her more extraordinary claims being rejected. Either way, this case is a mess.

In other news, Biden and Sanders reach a deal on delegates to national convention. This shows a more concentrated effort to unite the party yet.

[Gormwood]

The post in response to one of mine explains it better.

I saw later. Hmm, her credibility can be called into question then. Still doesn't mean what Biden did by violating her space is wrong, but it can lead to her more extraordinary claims being rejected. Either way, this case is a mess.

In other news, Biden and Sanders reach a deal on delegates to national convention. This shows a more concentrated effort to unite the party yet.

But he's Not Sanders so the usual suspects will take their balls home.