2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Kannap]

Will the amount of voters brought on board by Kamala outweigh the number of voters turned off of a Biden/Harris ticket?

Definitively. The people who would be turned off by a Biden/Harris ticket are the same types of people that would be turned off by Biden himself. Biden doesn't actually have to appeal to young, progressive voters, which is why Warren will certainly not be his pick. They don't vote. And if you don't vote, you don't matter. That's really it.

Kamala is passionate and establishment. She can rile people up and balance out Biden's fumbles. It's literally the perfect mix. It's going to either be her or Whitmer. My bet is on the latter, though.

I would say there are voters who are reluctantly for him or would consider him who would actually change their mind if he selected Harris as his VP. For example, I'm still open to the possibility of voting for him, depending on how his work with Sanders goes or who he picks as VP, but picking Harris would 100% guarantee I'd never vote for him.

[Inhorto]

Definitively. The people who would be turned off by a Biden/Harris ticket are the same types of people that would be turned off by Biden himself. Biden doesn't actually have to appeal to young, progressive voters, which is why Warren will certainly not be his pick. They don't vote. And if you don't vote, you don't matter. That's really it.

Kamala is passionate and establishment. She can rile people up and balance out Biden's fumbles. It's literally the perfect mix. It's going to either be her or Whitmer. My bet is on the latter, though.

To counter this, Trump will double his efforts to appear as the candidate of criminal justice reform, endearing himself to African Americans.

I'm sorry but this is incorrect. Trump will (1) never champion criminal justice reform because that's not what Republicans do and (2) he would get diddly squat in terms of support from African Americans because the majority hates him and those who supported him are likely ride-or-die. If he wanted to, he could have championed criminal justice reform in '16. He didn't. He would never. This is the same man who wanted to condemn five innocent black boys to death after they were cleared of any wrongdoing.

[Inhorto]

Definitively. The people who would be turned off by a Biden/Harris ticket are the same types of people that would be turned off by Biden himself. Biden doesn't actually have to appeal to young, progressive voters, which is why Warren will certainly not be his pick. They don't vote. And if you don't vote, you don't matter. That's really it.

Kamala is passionate and establishment. She can rile people up and balance out Biden's fumbles. It's literally the perfect mix. It's going to either be her or Whitmer. My bet is on the latter, though.

I would say there are voters who are reluctantly for him or would consider him who would actually change their mind if he selected Harris as his VP. For example, I'm still open to the possibility of voting for him, depending on how his work with Sanders goes or who he picks as VP, but picking Harris would 100% guarantee I'd never vote for him.

You are in the minority. The majority of independents are swinging between Biden and Trump. The majority of these people are moderates who would not have a problem with a candidate who is tough on crime. A lot of Americans across the board are partial to that ideology. I'm sorry to say it but progressives who are concerned about her criminal justice record don't really matter to the Biden camp because they are not going to be an important demographic in the race. It's literally as simple as that.

[Gormwood]

To counter this, Trump will double his efforts to appear as the candidate of criminal justice reform, endearing himself to African Americans.

I'm sorry but this is incorrect. Trump will (1) never champion criminal justice reform because that's not what Republicans do and (2) he would get diddly squat in terms of support from African Americans because the majority hates him and those who supported him are likely ride-or-die. If he wanted to, he could have championed criminal justice reform in '16. He didn't. He would never. This is the same man who wanted to condemn five innocent black boys to death after they were cleared of any wrongdoing.

And got nailed by pre-Carson HUD for racial housing discrimination.

[Northern Davincia]

To counter this, Trump will double his efforts to appear as the candidate of criminal justice reform, endearing himself to African Americans.

I'm sorry but this is incorrect. Trump will (1) never champion criminal justice reform because that's not what Republicans do and (2) he would get diddly squat in terms of support from African Americans because the majority hates him and those who supported him are likely ride-or-die. If he wanted to, he could have championed criminal justice reform in '16. He didn't. He would never. This is the same man who wanted to condemn five innocent black boys to death after they were cleared of any wrongdoing.

Trump doesn't follow Republican orthodoxy whatsoever. He can do whatever he wants on the issue, and the party will follow.
His reforms that were passed were not insignificant, and Trump has done better with African Americans than most Republicans previously.

[Zurkerx]

Biden wants a new stimulus 'a hell of a lot bigger' than $2 trillion, calling for a huge, new green infrastructure bill to be part of the deal.

It seems based on rhetoric that Biden is adapting more Progressive Ideals. Maybe not to the full extreme like Sanders or Warren but he is moving a bit to the left per se. I'll give Biden credit: he's trying not to do the same mistakes Clinton has done.

[Inhorto]

Biden wants a new stimulus 'a hell of a lot bigger' than $2 trillion, calling for a huge, new green infrastructure bill to be part of the deal.

It seems based on rhetoric that Biden is adapting more Progressive Ideals. Maybe not to the full extreme like Sanders or Warren but he is moving a bit to the left per se. I'll give Biden credit: he's trying not to do the same mistakes Clinton has done.

He's adopting more progressive ideas for now. He will pivot during the general election.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Biden wants a new stimulus 'a hell of a lot bigger' than $2 trillion, calling for a huge, new green infrastructure bill to be part of the deal.

It seems based on rhetoric that Biden is adapting more Progressive Ideals. Maybe not to the full extreme like Sanders or Warren but he is moving a bit to the left per se. I'll give Biden credit: he's trying not to do the same mistakes Clinton has done.

"""""extreme"""""

Keynesian economics isn't at all an extreme. Hell, it's centre-right economics and the prevailing orthodoxy of the West until Reagan, Thatcher, Clinton and Blair all came along and put a stop to it.

[Agarntrop]

Biden wants a new stimulus 'a hell of a lot bigger' than $2 trillion, calling for a huge, new green infrastructure bill to be part of the deal.

It seems based on rhetoric that Biden is adapting more Progressive Ideals. Maybe not to the full extreme like Sanders or Warren but he is moving a bit to the left per se. I'll give Biden credit: he's trying not to do the same mistakes Clinton has done.

"""""extreme"""""

Keynesian economics isn't at all an extreme. Hell, it's centre-right economics and the prevailing orthodoxy of the West until Reagan, Thatcher, Clinton and Blair all came along and put a stop to it.

Its what we need. I have been waiting for a recession that would bring on neokeynesianism, and i believe it is here.

[Inhorto]

I'm sorry but this is incorrect. Trump will (1) never champion criminal justice reform because that's not what Republicans do and (2) he would get diddly squat in terms of support from African Americans because the majority hates him and those who supported him are likely ride-or-die. If he wanted to, he could have championed criminal justice reform in '16. He didn't. He would never. This is the same man who wanted to condemn five innocent black boys to death after they were cleared of any wrongdoing.

Trump doesn't follow Republican orthodoxy whatsoever. He can do whatever he wants on the issue, and the party will follow.
His reforms that were passed were not insignificant, and Trump has done better with African Americans than most Republicans previously.

"Trump isn't Republican orthodoxy" is a surface-level reading of how Trump operates. I'll give it to you that he doesn't act as a Republican would. He's painted himself as an outsider, and that's been of great help to him. In terms of the policy he has implemented and the decisions he has made baring a few executive decisions, he is Republican orthodoxy in the flesh. A lot of Republicans talked a big game of opposing him, but then they all were forced to toe the party line.

[Kannap]

It's also okay if you're a Democrat.

It's also never okay no matter who you are.

These are three different opinions on the idea that different people have.

So why are leftists throwing a fit about Biden allegedly heing a rapist then?

"It's okay if you're a Republican" = you suggesting Republicans don't care if Donald sexually assaulted anybody because he's on their sided.

I turned that back on itself. "It's okay if you're a Democrat" implying Democrats who don't care if Biden sexually assaulted somebody because he's on their side.

And "It's also never okay no matter who you are" implying people who hold Donald and Biden and anybody else who may have sexually assaulted somebody accountable regardless of who they are.

I'm not saying Biden did it, but I think the allegations should be taken seriously enough to have an investigation to definitively conclude if there's enough evidence or not or if it seems likely he actually did or he didn't. Anything beats completely dismissing the allegations because he's on your team - whether he's Trump or Biden.

[Northern Davincia]

Biden wants a new stimulus 'a hell of a lot bigger' than $2 trillion, calling for a huge, new green infrastructure bill to be part of the deal.

It seems based on rhetoric that Biden is adapting more Progressive Ideals. Maybe not to the full extreme like Sanders or Warren but he is moving a bit to the left per se. I'll give Biden credit: he's trying not to do the same mistakes Clinton has done.

"""""extreme"""""

Keynesian economics isn't at all an extreme. Hell, it's centre-right economics and the prevailing orthodoxy of the West until Reagan, Thatcher, Clinton and Blair all came along and put a stop to it.

It is a blasphemous economic theory that is deserving of an ideological grave.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

"""""extreme"""""

Keynesian economics isn't at all an extreme. Hell, it's centre-right economics and the prevailing orthodoxy of the West until Reagan, Thatcher, Clinton and Blair all came along and put a stop to it.

Its what we need. I have been waiting for a recession that would bring on neokeynesianism, and i believe it is here.

Last time we had a Keynesian in office, he committed war crimes and helped killed a few million people...

Not exactly the best record, eh?

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

"""""extreme"""""

Keynesian economics isn't at all an extreme. Hell, it's centre-right economics and the prevailing orthodoxy of the West until Reagan, Thatcher, Clinton and Blair all came along and put a stop to it.

It is a blasphemous economic theory that is deserving of an ideological grave.

We may be exact economic opposites, but I have to say I agree with you.

[Northern Davincia]

Its what we need. I have been waiting for a recession that would bring on neokeynesianism, and i believe it is here.

Last time we had a Keynesian in office, he committed war crimes and helped killed a few million people...

Not exactly the best record, eh?

^^^
We should dig up Keynes and try his corpse for ruining the world's economy forever.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Last time we had a Keynesian in office, he committed war crimes and helped killed a few million people...

Not exactly the best record, eh?

^^^
We should dig up Keynes and try his corpse for ruining the world's economy forever.

Keynes' and Hayek's supporters did this together.

Modern neoliberalism is like the elephant-penguin baby of economics.

[Gormwood]

So why are leftists throwing a fit about Biden allegedly heing a rapist then?

"It's okay if you're a Republican" = you suggesting Republicans don't care if Donald sexually assaulted anybody because he's on their sided.

I turned that back on itself. "It's okay if you're a Democrat" implying Democrats who don't care if Biden sexually assaulted somebody because he's on their side.

And "It's also never okay no matter who you are" implying people who hold Donald and Biden and anybody else who may have sexually assaulted somebody accountable regardless of who they are.

I'm not saying Biden did it, but I think the allegations should be taken seriously enough to have an investigation to definitively conclude if there's enough evidence or not or if it seems likely he actually did or he didn't. Anything beats completely dismissing the allegations because he's on your team - whether he's Trump or Biden.

The same party that forced out Al Franken over a tacky gag photo of all things wouldn't care if Biden was proven to have committed sexual assault? Trying to spread that BothSame thick I see.

[Agarntrop]

Its what we need. I have been waiting for a recession that would bring on neokeynesianism, and i believe it is here.

Last time we had a Keynesian in office, he committed war crimes and helped killed a few million people...

Not exactly the best record, eh?

who tf thinks blair is a keynesian he removed it from his party lmao.

corbyn was a keynesian.

the last keynesian pm was callaghan.

[Ifreann]

If Sexual Assault didn't stop trump from becoming President, what makes anyone think it will stop Biden?

It do be like that. *vapes mournfully*

[Kannap]

"It's okay if you're a Republican" = you suggesting Republicans don't care if Donald sexually assaulted anybody because he's on their sided.

I turned that back on itself. "It's okay if you're a Democrat" implying Democrats who don't care if Biden sexually assaulted somebody because he's on their side.

And "It's also never okay no matter who you are" implying people who hold Donald and Biden and anybody else who may have sexually assaulted somebody accountable regardless of who they are.

I'm not saying Biden did it, but I think the allegations should be taken seriously enough to have an investigation to definitively conclude if there's enough evidence or not or if it seems likely he actually did or he didn't. Anything beats completely dismissing the allegations because he's on your team - whether he's Trump or Biden.

The same party that forced out Al Franken over a tacky gag photo of all things wouldn't care if Biden was proven to have committed sexual assault? Trying to spread that BothSame thick I see.

That's not what I said, but this is just a continuation of a pattern of you seemingly intentionally misunderstanding my posts so I don't know why I expect to have a genuine conversation with you.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Last time we had a Keynesian in office, he committed war crimes and helped killed a few million people...

Not exactly the best record, eh?

who tf thinks blair is a keynesian he removed it from his party lmao.

corbyn was a keynesian.

the last keynesian pm was callaghan.

You're conflating Keynesianism with social democracy.

[Post War America]

Last time we had a Keynesian in office, he committed war crimes and helped killed a few million people...

Not exactly the best record, eh?

^^^
We should dig up Keynes and try his corpse for ruining the world's economy forever.

You should thank him, without Keynes the capitalist system probably would have collapsed decade ago.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

^^^
We should dig up Keynes and try his corpse for ruining the world's economy forever.

You should thank him, without Keynes the capitalist system probably would have collapsed decade ago.

Either that or we would've turned full fascist.

[Post War America]

Biden wants a new stimulus 'a hell of a lot bigger' than $2 trillion, calling for a huge, new green infrastructure bill to be part of the deal.

It seems based on rhetoric that Biden is adapting more Progressive Ideals. Maybe not to the full extreme like Sanders or Warren but he is moving a bit to the left per se. I'll give Biden credit: he's trying not to do the same mistakes Clinton has done.

He's adopting more progressive ideas for now. He will pivot during the general election.

Which would be a terrible idea. Turning off progressive voters might pay off in 2020 because Trump specifically is a polarizing enough figure that democratic partisans might not care. Eventually however, Baby Boomers will die and even if only 20% of millenials and zoomers vote, they'll still be the electorate. Telling them to fuck off, especially with such an impressive show of bad faith will be catastrophic.

[Post War America]

You should thank him, without Keynes the capitalist system probably would have collapsed decade ago.

Either that or we would've turned full fascist.

I mean, Fascism is a form of capitalism collapsing, definitely not ideal tho.