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Postby Cisairse » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:27 am

Stolen from Twitter: This is Donald Trump's approval rating in every state converted into a red/blue EC win:

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:38 am

Cisairse wrote:Stolen from Twitter: This is Donald Trump's approval rating in every state converted into a red/blue EC win:

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Yikes, Biden better not blow this, he is in arguably a better position than Clinton was in 2016.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:08 am


It might not have "saved" those candidates, but it certainly did not hurt them.

Dismissing money in politics because some well funded campaigns have lost is pretty silly.
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Postby Post War America » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:00 am



Because its corporate money. That Biden is basically running as the most vanilla unassuming candidate out there probably doesn't hurt... probably.
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Postby Zurkerx » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:12 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Stolen from Twitter: This is Donald Trump's approval rating in every state converted into a red/blue EC win:

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Yikes, Biden better not blow this, he is in arguably a better position than Clinton was in 2016.


Possibly, but I doubt a map like this will happen. Despite his terrible approval numbers in Republican States, they'll still go red for the most part; I be shocked if the likes of Alaska, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio go red.

In other news, former Secretary of State and 4-Star General Colin Powell calls Trump a liar, says he's drifting away from the Constitution; will vote for Biden.

This comes as more and more former military officials continue to rebuke Trump.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:19 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Yikes, Biden better not blow this, he is in arguably a better position than Clinton was in 2016.


Possibly, but I doubt a map like this will happen. Despite his terrible approval numbers in Republican States, they'll still go red for the most part; I be shocked if the likes of Alaska, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio go red.

In other news, former Secretary of State and 4-Star General Colin Powell calls Trump a liar, says he's drifting away from the Constitution; will vote for Biden.

This comes as more and more former military officials continue to rebuke Trump.

It depends. If the democrats could get about half of the people who protested to vote democrat then such a map might be possible. Get nearly all of them to vote blue and you have a solid Congressional majority and a wave rivaling Reagan and FDR.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:16 am

Cisairse wrote:Stolen from Twitter: This is Donald Trump's approval rating in every state converted into a red/blue EC win:

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Trump is fading. Biden is solid. But ^it probably won't be this much of a smack down unless Donny can find more ways to make himself look ugly, insensitive and incompetent.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:17 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Possibly, but I doubt a map like this will happen. Despite his terrible approval numbers in Republican States, they'll still go red for the most part; I be shocked if the likes of Alaska, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio go red.

In other news, former Secretary of State and 4-Star General Colin Powell calls Trump a liar, says he's drifting away from the Constitution; will vote for Biden.

This comes as more and more former military officials continue to rebuke Trump.

It depends. If the democrats could get about half of the people who protested to vote democrat then such a map might be possible. Get nearly all of them to vote blue and you have a solid Congressional majority and a wave rivaling Reagan and FDR.

That'll be a challenge when a lot of the politicians setting cops on protesters are Democrats.
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Postby Kedri » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:22 am

I don't know who I'm going to vote for. My political views are quirky enough that I don't feel like I fit in with either party or even the Libertarians.
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Postby Kyapo » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:24 am

Weird bit in that report was that people got upset that Biden said 10-15% of Americans are not good people. How can they get upset about that? 10-15% of ANY nation are twats, they must be or there'd be no crime. What's the prison population? I mean what a stupid thing to get your nickers in a twist about. Cheap headline. :roll:

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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:27 am

Jerzylvania wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Stolen from Twitter: This is Donald Trump's approval rating in every state converted into a red/blue EC win:

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Trump is fading. Biden is solid. But ^it probably won't be this much of a smack down unless Donny can find more ways to make himself look ugly, insensitive and incompetent.

Trump would NEVER do THAT! :)
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Postby Kyapo » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:31 am

Gormwood wrote:
Jerzylvania wrote:
Trump is fading. Biden is solid. But ^it probably won't be this much of a smack down unless Donny can find more ways to make himself look ugly, insensitive and incompetent.

Trump would NEVER do THAT! :)


Na, you should be safe from that. He's the model of self control.

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:32 am

Cisairse wrote:Stolen from Twitter: This is Donald Trump's approval rating in every state converted into a red/blue EC win:

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I’d be cautious with using approval ratings to predict the election, because for one, a lot more people vote in the election than in an approval rating poll, and filling out a survey is a different experience than standing in line and casting your vote.

I’ve never been a fan of the way approval ratings are reported, this reddit post can explain it better than I can
It's worth noting that political opinion polls are not known for being terribly accurate.
A lot of it depends on the specific way you ask the question. "Do you approve of the job Donald Trump is doing as president?" will get different responses than "Do you like Donald Trump as president?" - but both will be reported in the popular media as "approval ratings".
Also numbers vary wildly between different polling companies. Polling companies all have a bias - some skew more conservative, some more liberal. Two companies asking the same question in the same period will get different results.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:46 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Stolen from Twitter: This is Donald Trump's approval rating in every state converted into a red/blue EC win:

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Yikes, Biden better not blow this, he is in arguably a better position than Clinton was in 2016.

All he has to do is keep his mouth shut.

Let's see if he can manage that.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:17 am

Cisairse wrote:Stolen from Twitter: This is Donald Trump's approval rating in every state converted into a red/blue EC win:

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Georgia as safe blue in this case? Of course approval ratings won't translate into actual results, but nevertheless Georgia should be a toss-up, albeit having a lean to the red.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:45 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Cisairse wrote:Stolen from Twitter: This is Donald Trump's approval rating in every state converted into a red/blue EC win:

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Georgia as safe blue in this case? Of course approval ratings won't translate into actual results, but nevertheless Georgia should be a toss-up, albeit having a lean to the red.

Cisairse has been posting Biden landslide maps for a while now, it’s not going to be a landslide. If anyone wins, it will be very close. I’m almost certain Trump will lose the popular vote again, but may pull off a narrow EC win. If Biden wins, it will be by a few electoral votes, not a big landslide.

Of course its way too early, and both candidates a prone to saying stupid shit, so we’ll have to wait and see
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Postby Zurkerx » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:46 am

How Kamala Harris seized the moment on race and police reform. Criminal justice reformers say she's neutralized a major liability — her past as a prosecutor — and it comes as Biden prepares to name his VP.

So, it appears she has somewhat re-burnished her image. Hell, even freaking Shaun King seems to have warmed up to her:

“I have been a frequent critic of her because of some of her past work … but she was brilliant,” Shaun King, the activist and former prominent Bernie Sanders supporter, told POLITICO after watching her recently on MSNBC. “It wasn’t canned, either. It was real. Her thoughts on the George Floyd case, how it should be handled, what the (Justice Department) could do, etc., was ... one of the best of any elected officials.

“It made me much more comfortable with her as a potential VP pick," King added.


However, while she's taking up the mantle of criminal justice reform, there are plenty of good reasons why she shouldn't be the VP Nominee:

As attorney general, Harris opposed legalizing marijuana and stayed out of controversial statewide ballot initiatives aimed at lowering nonviolent offenses from felonies to misdemeanors and giving certain nonviolent felons a chance at early parole. She did not back state legislation requiring independent investigations of officer-involved killings or a bill to mandate police officers wear body cameras. And as district attorney years before, she supported raising cash bail.

DeRay Mckesson, the activist, podcaster and co-founder of the police reform group Campaign Zero, met with Harris during her presidential run. In public, he said, Harris was unable to explain her past criminal justice positions in the way she was able to articulate in person. He pointed to her long-standing refusal until last spring to support independent investigations into police shootings and cases of alleged brutality by law enforcement officials.

Early in her career, Harris refused to seek the death penalty for a member of a gang who shot and killed a San Francisco police officer, prompting calls for the case to be taken from her. She reasoned that getting rid of prosecutorial discretion would threaten DAs like herself.


There's more, plenty more too. And some say her record isn't as bad as Klobuchar's...
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:47 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:If anyone wins,

I mean, someone will.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:48 am

Galloism wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:If anyone wins,

I mean, someone will.

Jeb!
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:49 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, someone will.

Jeb!

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:54 am

This is probably highly unlikely, but a considering a lot of the unpopular Democrat incumbents in the Senate and Republican reactionaries running for the House this cycle, there is a small chance that, mostly due to independents, there will be a blue White House and red Congress. That will make it hard for Biden to get landmark legislation passed

Probably not going to happen though
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:54 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:This is probably highly unlikely, but a considering a lot of the unpopular Democrat incumbents in the Senate and Republican reactionaries running for the House this cycle, there is a small chance that, mostly due to independents, there will be a blue White House and red Congress. That will make it hard for Biden to get landmark legislation passed

Probably not going to happen though

That’s not the worst possible outcome.
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Postby Cisairse » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:02 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Yikes, Biden better not blow this, he is in arguably a better position than Clinton was in 2016.


Possibly, but I doubt a map like this will happen. Despite his terrible approval numbers in Republican States, they'll still go red for the most part; I be shocked if the likes of Alaska, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio go red.

In other news, former Secretary of State and 4-Star General Colin Powell calls Trump a liar, says he's drifting away from the Constitution; will vote for Biden.

This comes as more and more former military officials continue to rebuke Trump.


You forgot to mention Colin Powell's most notable achievement: serving as President of the United States in World War Z's universe.

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Possibly, but I doubt a map like this will happen. Despite his terrible approval numbers in Republican States, they'll still go red for the most part; I be shocked if the likes of Alaska, Texas, Iowa, and Ohio go red.

In other news, former Secretary of State and 4-Star General Colin Powell calls Trump a liar, says he's drifting away from the Constitution; will vote for Biden.

This comes as more and more former military officials continue to rebuke Trump.

It depends. If the democrats could get about half of the people who protested to vote democrat then such a map might be possible. Get nearly all of them to vote blue and you have a solid Congressional majority and a wave rivaling Reagan and FDR.


I think you're underestimating just how many people hate Trump but will vote for him because he's not a Democrat.

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Thermodolia wrote:It depends. If the democrats could get about half of the people who protested to vote democrat then such a map might be possible. Get nearly all of them to vote blue and you have a solid Congressional majority and a wave rivaling Reagan and FDR.

That'll be a challenge when a lot of the politicians setting cops on protesters are Democrats.


For now. If the Booker/Nadler police reform bill goes through and becomes a part of the D platform for November, I can't imagine police unions will consider Democrats to be their allies even in cities where they're entrenched.
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