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2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

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How do You Plan to Vote This Year?

At a Polling Place
40
22%
By Mail(If Allowed)
42
23%
Early Voting
6
3%
I Won't Vote
14
8%
I Can't Vote(To Young/Outside the US)
80
44%
 
Total votes : 182

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West Leas Oros 2
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:02 am

Vassenor wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Heinous crime: *occurs*
Liberals: :)
Worse crime: *occurs*
Liberals: >:(
Leftists: Why are you defending the first crime?
Liberals: *circlejerks about perceived bothsame*


OK?

Seriously, stop acting like asking for Biden to be held accountable for his words and actions implies support for Trump.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:05 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
OK?

Seriously, stop acting like asking for Biden to be held accountable for his words and actions implies support for Trump.


Show me where I said that.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:07 am

Vassenor wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Biden says that police should shoot to wound rather than kill in confrontations (even if that's not really a good idea for a number of reasons).

Trump threatens to deploy the US military on American soil to put down riots, and has police use tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse a peaceful protest so he can have a photo op.

Conservatives: lol,Biden is so bad!


"B-but both sides..."


Biden could've easily taken the stance of maybe cops shouldn't shoot people at all, but here we are.

Yes, both sides are bad, glad we agree. Now what?
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:08 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
OK?

Seriously, stop acting like asking for Biden to be held accountable for his words and actions implies support for Trump.

With no realistically viable alternatives for President in the current system, yes it is.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:10 am

Kannap wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"B-but both sides..."


Biden could've easily taken the stance of maybe cops shouldn't shoot people at all, but here we are.

Yes, both sides are bad, glad we agree. Now what?


welcome to the two party system, aint it a bitch?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:12 am

Gormwood wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Seriously, stop acting like asking for Biden to be held accountable for his words and actions implies support for Trump.

With no realistically viable alternatives for President in the current system, yes it is.

Best of luck with upgrading from a President who wants to shoot you for protesting to a President that also wants to shoot you for protesting.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:12 am

Gormwood wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Seriously, stop acting like asking for Biden to be held accountable for his words and actions implies support for Trump.

With no realistically viable alternatives for President in the current system, yes it is.


There is a third option.......
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:12 am

Ifreann wrote:
Gormwood wrote:With no realistically viable alternatives for President in the current system, yes it is.

Best of luck with upgrading from a President who wants to shoot you for protesting to a President that also wants to shoot you for protesting.

Oh hey, self-satisfied sanctimony.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
Gormwood wrote:With no realistically viable alternatives for President in the current system, yes it is.

Best of luck with upgrading from a President who wants to shoot you for protesting to a President that also wants to shoot you for protesting.


So where did Biden say people who protest should be shot?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:15 am

Gormwood wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Seriously, stop acting like asking for Biden to be held accountable for his words and actions implies support for Trump.

With no realistically viable alternatives for President in the current system, yes it is.

Then the system is shit. And anyone who justifies the system is likewise, justifying shit. Go lick the boots elsewhere.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:17 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Gormwood wrote:With no realistically viable alternatives for President in the current system, yes it is.

Then the system is shit. And anyone who justifies the system is likewise, justifying shit. Go lick the boots elsewhere.

Go play Civilization if you want to live in your dream utopia. Dealing with reality comes with unpleasant choices.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:18 am

Gormwood wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Then the system is shit. And anyone who justifies the system is likewise, justifying shit. Go lick the boots elsewhere.

Go play Civilization if you want to live in your dream utopia. Dealing with reality comes with unpleasant choices.


choices which frankly we are free to abstain from making.

of course we also have the choice to abolish or alter the government.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:19 am

Gormwood wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Then the system is shit. And anyone who justifies the system is likewise, justifying shit. Go lick the boots elsewhere.

Go play Civilization if you want to live in your dream utopia. Dealing with reality comes with unpleasant choices.

Unpleasant choices like deciding which person you want shooting protesters? Like whether the person ruining your life is doing it better than the other guy? Fuck your false dichotomy.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:19 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Gormwood wrote:With no realistically viable alternatives for President in the current system, yes it is.

Then the system is shit. And anyone who justifies the system is likewise, justifying shit. Go lick the boots elsewhere.


Sometimes the only choices you can make are bad ones. But you still have to choose.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:20 am

Vassenor wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Then the system is shit. And anyone who justifies the system is likewise, justifying shit. Go lick the boots elsewhere.


Sometimes the only choices you can make are bad ones. But you still have to choose.

That’s bullshit. The reason we have such shit choices to begin with is because you’ve spouted propaganda that the only choices are between two criminals in business suits.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:21 am

Vassenor wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Then the system is shit. And anyone who justifies the system is likewise, justifying shit. Go lick the boots elsewhere.


Sometimes the only choices you can make are bad ones. But you still have to choose.

Force a good choice into existence if possible, which is why I'm voting 3rd party.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:21 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Sometimes the only choices you can make are bad ones. But you still have to choose.

That’s bullshit. The reason we have such shit choices to begin with is because you’ve spouted propaganda that the only choices are between two criminals in business suits.


friend, there is a 3rd option.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:22 am

Gormwood wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Best of luck with upgrading from a President who wants to shoot you for protesting to a President that also wants to shoot you for protesting.

Oh hey, self-satisfied sanctimony.

Yes, criticising America's saviour, the chosen one, is nothing but sanctimony, or support for Trump, or some other bad thing. Praise Biden! He will lead America into the light!


Vassenor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Best of luck with upgrading from a President who wants to shoot you for protesting to a President that also wants to shoot you for protesting.


So where did Biden say people who protest should be shot?

You know exactly to what I am referring.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:22 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Sometimes the only choices you can make are bad ones. But you still have to choose.

Force a good choice into existence if possible, which is why I'm voting 3rd party.

“But third party is a wasted vote!! Don’t try to actually change the system! Otherwise people might realize a better world is possible!”
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:23 am

In a speech that is bound to define the contrast between two different leadership styles, Biden sharpens the contrast between Trump: 'I won't traffic in fear and division'

I listed to his speech today and yeah, it's definitely different from how Trump has acted. That's not to say whether Biden can accomplish anything: that remains to be seen. However, Biden is making his presence known and trying to be relevant; he knows he has too in order to win.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:23 am

Ifreann wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Oh hey, self-satisfied sanctimony.

Yes, criticising America's saviour, the chosen one, is nothing but sanctimony, or support for Trump, or some other bad thing. Praise Biden! He will lead America into the light!


Vassenor wrote:
So where did Biden say people who protest should be shot?

You know exactly to what I am referring.


No, I don't. A tone-deaf and stupid remark about police dealing with unarmed suspects in everyday situations is not "protesters should be shot".

So enlighten us - where did he say protesters should be shot?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:24 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:That’s bullshit. The reason we have such shit choices to begin with is because you’ve spouted propaganda that the only choices are between two criminals in business suits.


friend, there is a 3rd option.

“noooo! You can’t just vote 3rd party, vote for the candidates who will uphold the status quo!”

“haha ballot machine go brrr”
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:24 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes, criticising America's saviour, the chosen one, is nothing but sanctimony, or support for Trump, or some other bad thing. Praise Biden! He will lead America into the light!



You know exactly to what I am referring.


No, I don't. A tone-deaf and stupid remark about police dealing with unarmed suspects in everyday situations is not "protesters should be shot".

So enlighten us - where did he say protesters should be shot?


he did endorse for a shoot to maim instead so.......
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:25 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
friend, there is a 3rd option.

“noooo! You can’t just vote 3rd party, vote for the candidates who will uphold the status quo!”

“haha ballot machine go brrr”


vote your conscious, that is your choice entirely, and your right.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:26 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:“noooo! You can’t just vote 3rd party, vote for the candidates who will uphold the status quo!”

“haha ballot machine go brrr”


vote your conscious, that is your choice entirely, and your right.

“B-but WASTED VOTE!!!”
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