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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:10 pm

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I don't.


Yeah, no, the ongoing myth of George Bush as the most recent "reasonable" Republican president is ludicrous. It's like the Eisenhower nostalgia, but more baseless.

Come on, don’t go comparing Ike to him. Ike wasn’t that bad.
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:13 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
Yeah, no, the ongoing myth of George Bush as the most recent "reasonable" Republican president is ludicrous. It's like the Eisenhower nostalgia, but more baseless.

Come on, don’t go comparing Ike to him. Ike wasn’t that bad.


Ike was better than Tricky Dick, at least.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:18 pm

Cisairse wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Come on, don’t go comparing Ike to him. Ike wasn’t that bad.


Ike was better than Tricky Dick, at least.

That goes without saying.
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Postby Ngelmish » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:18 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
Yeah, no, the ongoing myth of George Bush as the most recent "reasonable" Republican president is ludicrous. It's like the Eisenhower nostalgia, but more baseless.


We're talking about HW not W.

I really don't miss W.


I'm aware. Generally when I say "George Bush" without a qualifier, I'm talking about the father. He was awful.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
Yeah, no, the ongoing myth of George Bush as the most recent "reasonable" Republican president is ludicrous. It's like the Eisenhower nostalgia, but more baseless.

Come on, don’t go comparing Ike to him. Ike wasn’t that bad.


Sabotaging every developing government in the Middle East sans Israel in the name of anti-communism, and most South American governments as well, is one of the worst foreign policy records ever, and I'd argue that it's only rivaled by W's war on terror, among his successors.

Ike gets bonus points for sending in the first troops to Vietnam too.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:23 pm

Cisairse wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Come on, don’t go comparing Ike to him. Ike wasn’t that bad.


Ike was better than Tricky Dick, at least.

Ike's foreign policy was flawless. Nixon was a failure on several fronts.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:39 pm

So glad we went for the 'moderate'.
Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:40 pm

Cisairse wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Come on, don’t go comparing Ike to him. Ike wasn’t that bad.


Ike was better than Tricky Dick, at least.

At least Nixon had the EPA created, whereas Trump... um...
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:42 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Ike was better than Tricky Dick, at least.

At least Nixon had the EPA created, whereas Trump... um...


Forget the "at least..." nonsense, more than one person can be terrible at the same time.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:48 pm

Genivaria wrote:So glad we went for the 'moderate'.
Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html

Why kill the assailant instantly when you could go out of your way to shoot him in the leg and let him bleed to death while he continues to attack you?

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Postby -SARS- » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:11 pm

Page wrote: When is there going to be a system that doesn't kill innocent people?

When the system is no longer run by human beings.

Try cybernetics or genetic engineering to make people more peaceful and communitarian.
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Postby -SARS- » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:30 pm

Genivaria wrote:So glad we went for the 'moderate'.
Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html

My roommate was arguing the same thing the other day. I don't get it.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:49 am

-SARS- wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So glad we went for the 'moderate'.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html

My roommate was arguing the same thing the other day. I don't get it.


It's easier to hit the center of mass - the torso - than it is to hit the legs, much smaller targets. Besides, if you have time to get an aim on said smaller target, you have time to run and therefore not pull the trigger. Firearms are lethal tools and, as inhumane as killing somebody is, shooting to maim is also grossly inhumane. Shooting to maim also leaves no room to really argue self defense or immediate action when you have to take the forethought and plan to shoot somebody specifically in the leg.

And, ultimately, if people survived police shootings they'd live to be able to tell their side of the story. The police state can't have that.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:56 am

Genivaria wrote:So glad we went for the 'moderate'.
Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html


Easy, just don’t hit an artery.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:05 am

Genivaria wrote:So glad we went for the 'moderate'.
Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html


But remember, he's electable lol
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:13 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So glad we went for the 'moderate'.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html


But remember, he's electable lol

You'd be happy with 4 more years of Trump anyways.
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Postby Post War America » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:18 am

Kannap wrote:
-SARS- wrote:My roommate was arguing the same thing the other day. I don't get it.


It's easier to hit the center of mass - the torso - than it is to hit the legs, much smaller targets. Besides, if you have time to get an aim on said smaller target, you have time to run and therefore not pull the trigger. Firearms are lethal tools and, as inhumane as killing somebody is, shooting to maim is also grossly inhumane. Shooting to maim also leaves no room to really argue self defense or immediate action when you have to take the forethought and plan to shoot somebody specifically in the leg.

And, ultimately, if people survived police shootings they'd live to be able to tell their side of the story. The police state can't have that.


Not to mention that shooting someone in the leg runs the serious risk of severing the femoral artery, and if that gets hit you're done.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:25 am

Gormwood wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
But remember, he's electable lol

You'd be happy with 4 more years of Trump anyways.


"happy" is doing a lot of work in this sentence.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:27 am

Post War America wrote:
Kannap wrote:
It's easier to hit the center of mass - the torso - than it is to hit the legs, much smaller targets. Besides, if you have time to get an aim on said smaller target, you have time to run and therefore not pull the trigger. Firearms are lethal tools and, as inhumane as killing somebody is, shooting to maim is also grossly inhumane. Shooting to maim also leaves no room to really argue self defense or immediate action when you have to take the forethought and plan to shoot somebody specifically in the leg.

And, ultimately, if people survived police shootings they'd live to be able to tell their side of the story. The police state can't have that.


Not to mention that shooting someone in the leg runs the serious risk of severing the femoral artery, and if that gets hit you're done.


It's a common misconception that shooting someone in the leg is somehow better than shooting in the larger area of mass due to the femoral artery being there. I'm not surprised Biden would say something like this: he like a majority of Americans are probably unaware of the fact you can bleed out within minutes if that artery is hit.
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Postby Tombradyonia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:39 am

-SARS- wrote:
Page wrote: When is there going to be a system that doesn't kill innocent people?

When the system is no longer run by human beings.

Try cybernetics or genetic engineering to make people more peaceful and communitarian.


Skynet would know how to deal with the risk of human being doing stupid stuff.

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Genivaria wrote:So glad we went for the 'moderate'.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html


But remember, he's electable lol


In any other election this might have been an issue. But we have a deranged loon in the White House who is so thin skinned that he throws temper tantrums whenever someone does not profusely bow to him, who wants to use government power to smash the first amendment, and the military against US citizens. Oh, and thousands (tens of thousands?) of excess Covid deaths caused by his criminal incompetence, corruption and malfeasance.

Drain the swamp, he said... he didn't mention the part where he would then refill it with raw sewage. Corrupt pardons for his criminal buddies (that is, when his enforcer Barr doesn't sabotage legal proceedings to begin with), sweetheart deals for his kids (such as the Chinese patents for Ivanka)... I wonder what the secret quid pro quo was for that?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:38 am

Genivaria wrote:So glad we went for the 'moderate'.
Biden suggests police could shoot assailants 'in the leg instead of the heart'

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html

“B-but Trump is worse! Lesser of two evils!”
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Postby Myrensis » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:45 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So glad we went for the 'moderate'.

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-suggests-p ... 50470.html

“B-but Trump is worse! Lesser of two evils!”


Biden says that police should shoot to wound rather than kill in confrontations (even if that's not really a good idea for a number of reasons).

Trump threatens to deploy the US military on American soil to put down riots, and has police use tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse a peaceful protest so he can have a photo op.

Conservatives: lol,Biden is so bad!

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:46 am

Myrensis wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:“B-but Trump is worse! Lesser of two evils!”


Biden says that police should shoot to wound rather than kill in confrontations (even if that's not really a good idea for a number of reasons).

Trump threatens to deploy the US military on American soil to put down riots, and has police use tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse a peaceful protest so he can have a photo op.

Conservatives: lol,Biden is so bad!


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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:47 am

Myrensis wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:“B-but Trump is worse! Lesser of two evils!”


Biden says that police should shoot to wound rather than kill in confrontations (even if that's not really a good idea for a number of reasons).

Trump threatens to deploy the US military on American soil to put down riots, and has police use tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse a peaceful protest so he can have a photo op.

Conservatives: lol,Biden is so bad!

God, you act like people can’t oppose bullshit consistently. Even though, Trump is worse, that doesn’t make what Biden is doing good. This is why lesser of two evils is an absolutely shit ideology. What if it were Trump against Hitler? What then?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:51 am

Vassenor wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Biden says that police should shoot to wound rather than kill in confrontations (even if that's not really a good idea for a number of reasons).

Trump threatens to deploy the US military on American soil to put down riots, and has police use tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse a peaceful protest so he can have a photo op.

Conservatives: lol,Biden is so bad!


"B-but both sides..."

Heinous crime: *occurs*
Liberals: :)
Worse crime: *occurs*
Liberals: >:(
Leftists: Why are you defending the first crime?
Liberals: *circlejerks about perceived bothsame*
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:00 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"B-but both sides..."

Heinous crime: *occurs*
Liberals: :)
Worse crime: *occurs*
Liberals: >:(
Leftists: Why are you defending the first crime?
Liberals: *circlejerks about perceived bothsame*


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