2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Ngelmish]

I know the arguments, but I'm still not convinced that anyone is voting for the VP.

Well, I am. People whose votes count, maybe not.

I don't mean literally no one, so, perhaps a vanishingly small number of people are voting for the VP is the right formulation. But, seriously, I'm pretty sure that, even though each has had their fans, Gore, Quayle, Kemp, Lieberman, Cheney, Edwards, Palin, Biden, Ryan, Kaine and Pence, moved a negligible number of votes in their own right.

[Zurkerx]

Aye but what about independents? It's all and good to unite the Democratic Party but the appeal for Independents is just as important. We know independents aren't fond of Trump, poll after poll shows it. But can a Biden-Warren Ticket do that? I'm not 100% sure.

In that case, I haven't really seen much polling with who independents most prefer as VP.

Indeed though I'm sure Biden's VP Team will figure that out. I personally prefer Duckworth but Warren isn't a bad pick given the changing circumstances.

Aye but what about independents? It's all and good to unite the Democratic Party but the appeal for Independents is just as important. We know independents aren't fond of Trump, poll after poll shows it. But can a Biden-Warren Ticket do that? I'm not 100% sure.

I know the arguments, but I'm still not convinced that anyone is voting for the VP.

Understandable though think of it this way: picking a VP judges one's temperament. McCain learned that the hard way by picking Palin. Sure, McCain wasn't going to win but the lost could have been, umm, a bit less painful.

[Cisairse]

Biden leads Trump by 12 points nationwide in the latest Morning Consult poll.

[Outer Sparta]

Well, I am. People whose votes count, maybe not.

I don't mean literally no one, so, perhaps a vanishingly small number of people are voting for the VP is the right formulation. But, seriously, I'm pretty sure that, even though each has had their fans, Gore, Quayle, Kemp, Lieberman, Cheney, Edwards, Palin, Biden, Ryan, Kaine and Pence, moved a negligible number of votes in their own right.

People might not vote based on VP picks that often, but the VP picks themselves are important to rounding out a complete ticket.

[Cisairse]

I don't mean literally no one, so, perhaps a vanishingly small number of people are voting for the VP is the right formulation. But, seriously, I'm pretty sure that, even though each has had their fans, Gore, Quayle, Kemp, Lieberman, Cheney, Edwards, Palin, Biden, Ryan, Kaine and Pence, moved a negligible number of votes in their own right.

People might not vote based on VP picks that often, but the VP picks themselves are important to rounding out a complete ticket.

Not to mention the VP pick is likely to be the '24 candidate.

[The Black Forrest]

Dark horse? Like who?

Jimmy Carter

Still would do a better job then Trump. Then again; he worked a farm so why would he want to clean up Trumps shit?

[Ngelmish]

People might not vote based on VP picks that often, but the VP picks themselves are important to rounding out a complete ticket.

Not to mention the VP pick is likely to be the '24 candidate.

That's actually salient this time since Biden has been unsubtly hinting that he'll only serve one term, but the VP is always in pole position to be the next leader of the party -- if they want it. That doesn't mean that anyone takes the VP seriously as president in their own right (Quayle comes to mind), but the VP is always gunning for the top position. I'm not saying it doesn't matter... but seriously, how many people are actually going to change their minds based on the VP? That's what I don't see evidence for.

[Corrian]

Biden leads Trump by 12 points nationwide in the latest Morning Consult poll.

I want shit like this to hold because holy fuck Trump is getting out of control.

[The Black Forrest]

Who the fuck, after everything, can go "Yeah, I voted for OBama twice, but after 4 years of Trump, he gets my vote"? It makes no fucking sense that you can be swayed after all of this.

People who hate the security state.

So they hate trump?

[Bear Stearns]

People who hate the security state.

So they hate trump?

The security state is well beyond Trump. It was here before him and it will be here after him.

[Cisairse]

Not to mention the VP pick is likely to be the '24 candidate.

That's actually salient this time since Biden has been unsubtly hinting that he'll only serve one term, but the VP is always in pole position to be the next leader of the party -- if they want it. That doesn't mean that anyone takes the VP seriously as president in their own right (Quayle comes to mind), but the VP is always gunning for the top position.

Yep. Hell the party was ready to nominate Gore two times in a row, and likely would have if he didn't say no in '04.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter... but seriously, how many people are actually going to change their minds based on the VP? That's what I don't see evidence for.

Me, for one. I'm fully prepared to vote for Hawkins/Walker if Biden picks a running mate I don't find agreeable.

[Bear Stearns]

Well, a good friend of mine who hasn’t voted for a republican for his entire adult life has now chosen to vote for Trump... due to killing FISA reauthorization.

He said, and I quote, “I voted for Obama twice trying to kill that, and since he killed it, he gets my vote.”

That doesn’t bode well.

Minnesota's going red in November.

[West Leas Oros 2]

[obligatory post about the failures of electoralism and how voting only perpetuates the capitalist hegemony]

[West Leas Oros 2]

Well, a good friend of mine who hasn’t voted for a republican for his entire adult life has now chosen to vote for Trump... due to killing FISA reauthorization.

He said, and I quote, “I voted for Obama twice trying to kill that, and since he killed it, he gets my vote.”

That doesn’t bode well.

Minnesota's going red in November.

If it isn’t Communist red, I officially quit.

[Ngelmish]

That's actually salient this time since Biden has been unsubtly hinting that he'll only serve one term, but the VP is always in pole position to be the next leader of the party -- if they want it. That doesn't mean that anyone takes the VP seriously as president in their own right (Quayle comes to mind), but the VP is always gunning for the top position.

Yep. Hell the party was ready to nominate Gore two times in a row, and likely would have if he didn't say no in '04.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter... but seriously, how many people are actually going to change their minds based on the VP? That's what I don't see evidence for.

Me, for one. I'm fully prepared to vote for Hawkins/Walker if Biden picks a running mate I don't find agreeable.

To be fair, if Sanders had gotten the nomination, I'd probably have been watching his VP selection to decide whether or not to hold my nose. But I think that both in this circumstance and in that hypothetical, we're all just statistical noise.

[Bear Stearns]

Minnesota's going red in November.

If it isn’t Communist red, I officially quit.

It's not. Trump lost Minnesota by the amount of votes meme candidate Evan McMullin received. That will not be the case this time and Minnesotans have witnessed this destruction first hand.

[Zurkerx]

That's actually salient this time since Biden has been unsubtly hinting that he'll only serve one term, but the VP is always in pole position to be the next leader of the party -- if they want it. That doesn't mean that anyone takes the VP seriously as president in their own right (Quayle comes to mind), but the VP is always gunning for the top position.

Yep. Hell the party was ready to nominate Gore two times in a row, and likely would have if he didn't say no in '04.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter... but seriously, how many people are actually going to change their minds based on the VP? That's what I don't see evidence for.

Me, for one. I'm fully prepared to vote for Hawkins/Walker if Biden picks a running mate I don't find agreeable.

Who would that be, per se?

Biden leads Trump by 12 points nationwide in the latest Morning Consult poll.

I want shit like this to hold because holy fuck Trump is getting out of control.

It's still early but given the President is threatening to deploy the military to quell the protests, it could drastically effect his poll numbers, good or bad.

[Bear Stearns]

Yep. Hell the party was ready to nominate Gore two times in a row, and likely would have if he didn't say no in '04.



Me, for one. I'm fully prepared to vote for Hawkins/Walker if Biden picks a running mate I don't find agreeable.

Who would that be, per se?

I want shit like this to hold because holy fuck Trump is getting out of control.

It's still early but given the President is threatening to deploy the military to quell the protests, it could drastically effect his poll numbers, good or bad.

Nixon '68

[Outer Sparta]

That's actually salient this time since Biden has been unsubtly hinting that he'll only serve one term, but the VP is always in pole position to be the next leader of the party -- if they want it. That doesn't mean that anyone takes the VP seriously as president in their own right (Quayle comes to mind), but the VP is always gunning for the top position.

Yep. Hell the party was ready to nominate Gore two times in a row, and likely would have if he didn't say no in '04.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter... but seriously, how many people are actually going to change their minds based on the VP? That's what I don't see evidence for.

Me, for one. I'm fully prepared to vote for Hawkins/Walker if Biden picks a running mate I don't find agreeable.

Would Klobuchar be one example of that?

[Corrian]

It's still early but given the President is threatening to deploy the military to quell the protests, it could drastically effect his poll numbers, good or bad.

I can't see a world where that effects his poll numbers in a positive manner.

[Corrian]

So remember when everyone's rhetoric about Trump was hyperbole, and now he's practically trying to incite a civil war?

[The Black Forrest]

That's actually salient this time since Biden has been unsubtly hinting that he'll only serve one term, but the VP is always in pole position to be the next leader of the party -- if they want it. That doesn't mean that anyone takes the VP seriously as president in their own right (Quayle comes to mind), but the VP is always gunning for the top position.

Yep. Hell the party was ready to nominate Gore two times in a row, and likely would have if he didn't say no in '04.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter... but seriously, how many people are actually going to change their minds based on the VP? That's what I don't see evidence for.

Me, for one. I'm fully prepared to vote for Hawkins/Walker if Biden picks a running mate I don't find agreeable.

And who would that be out of curiosity? I never got the impression you were going to vote for him.....

[Cisairse]

Yep. Hell the party was ready to nominate Gore two times in a row, and likely would have if he didn't say no in '04.



Me, for one. I'm fully prepared to vote for Hawkins/Walker if Biden picks a running mate I don't find agreeable.

Would Klobuchar be one example of that?

Yes.

Yep. Hell the party was ready to nominate Gore two times in a row, and likely would have if he didn't say no in '04.



Me, for one. I'm fully prepared to vote for Hawkins/Walker if Biden picks a running mate I don't find agreeable.

Who would that be, per se?

Any moderate.

I want Warren, I'd settle for Baldwin; anyone else and I'd have to look into their voting record (if applicable), etc., before passing judgement. Harris, Klobuchar, etc. and other moderates are right out.

[Cisairse]

Yep. Hell the party was ready to nominate Gore two times in a row, and likely would have if he didn't say no in '04.



Me, for one. I'm fully prepared to vote for Hawkins/Walker if Biden picks a running mate I don't find agreeable.

And who would that be out of curiosity? I never got the impression you were going to vote for him.....

I'm very much on the fence. I was pro-Booker, then pro-Warren in the primary (and ended up endorsing Sanders when Warren became nonviable), but all of those candidates were compromises for me. I'm okay with compromise this time because Trump is an existential threat that must be defeated. However, I am more than willing to protest vote against Joe Biden if he picks a running mate that I wouldn't find agreeable enough to vote for in 2024.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

So remember when everyone's rhetoric about Trump was hyperbole, and now he's practically trying to incite a civil war?

This is part of Trump's strategy. Deep in his heart, he knows that he doesn't deserve to be President of the United States, so he's working hard to make sure the country is no longer united.

He's doing exactly what his boss, Vladimir Putin, wants him to do.