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2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:47 am

How Joe Biden’s leading VP contenders stack up in the wake of protests over George Floyd’s death.

The likes of Klobuchar, Harris, and Demings could be the most impacted given their background/association with law enforcement.

For Klobuchar, we've all said her bid for VP is all but dead:

Klobuchar was the Hennepin County attorney, where she declined to bring cases against multiple police officers and instead pushed them to a grand jury.

Those revelations certainly hurt Klobuchar the most. Harris' own record can be concerning too though it seems the likes of some within the Black Caucus are willing to ignore that, citing their believe she can excite African Americans (despite the fact she couldn't within the primary). Demings has her own problems as well though the bigger concerns are the lack of her national profile.

Warren seems to the most likely to benefit from this moment: while she herself isn't black, Warren has been positioning herself as someone wants to not only unit the Party, but also the country.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:56 am

Zurkerx wrote:How Joe Biden’s leading VP contenders stack up in the wake of protests over George Floyd’s death.

The likes of Klobuchar, Harris, and Demings could be the most impacted given their background/association with law enforcement.

For Klobuchar, we've all said her bid for VP is all but dead:

Klobuchar was the Hennepin County attorney, where she declined to bring cases against multiple police officers and instead pushed them to a grand jury.

Those revelations certainly hurt Klobuchar the most. Harris' own record can be concerning too though it seems the likes of some within the Black Caucus are willing to ignore that, citing their believe she can excite African Americans (despite the fact she couldn't within the primary). Demings has her own problems as well though the bigger concerns are the lack of her national profile.

Warren seems to the most likely to benefit from this moment: while she herself isn't black, Warren has been positioning herself as someone wants to not only unit the Party, but also the country.

Can’t believe I unironically want it to be Warren. What’s the world coming to.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:57 am

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:How Joe Biden’s leading VP contenders stack up in the wake of protests over George Floyd’s death.

The likes of Klobuchar, Harris, and Demings could be the most impacted given their background/association with law enforcement.

For Klobuchar, we've all said her bid for VP is all but dead:

Klobuchar was the Hennepin County attorney, where she declined to bring cases against multiple police officers and instead pushed them to a grand jury.

Those revelations certainly hurt Klobuchar the most. Harris' own record can be concerning too though it seems the likes of some within the Black Caucus are willing to ignore that, citing their believe she can excite African Americans (despite the fact she couldn't within the primary). Demings has her own problems as well though the bigger concerns are the lack of her national profile.

Warren seems to the most likely to benefit from this moment: while she herself isn't black, Warren has been positioning herself as someone wants to not only unit the Party, but also the country.

Can’t believe I unironically want it to be Warren. What’s the world coming to.


These are strange times.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:59 am

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:How Joe Biden’s leading VP contenders stack up in the wake of protests over George Floyd’s death.

The likes of Klobuchar, Harris, and Demings could be the most impacted given their background/association with law enforcement.

For Klobuchar, we've all said her bid for VP is all but dead:

Klobuchar was the Hennepin County attorney, where she declined to bring cases against multiple police officers and instead pushed them to a grand jury.

Those revelations certainly hurt Klobuchar the most. Harris' own record can be concerning too though it seems the likes of some within the Black Caucus are willing to ignore that, citing their believe she can excite African Americans (despite the fact she couldn't within the primary). Demings has her own problems as well though the bigger concerns are the lack of her national profile.

Warren seems to the most likely to benefit from this moment: while she herself isn't black, Warren has been positioning herself as someone wants to not only unit the Party, but also the country.

Can’t believe I unironically want it to be Warren. What’s the world coming to.


The world's been messed up since Trump was elected. Who would have thought you would have seen the left defending the FBI and the right defending the Russians?

These are bizarro times.

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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:03 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Can’t believe I unironically want it to be Warren. What’s the world coming to.


The world's been messed up since Trump was elected. Who would have thought you would have seen the left defending the FBI and the right defending the Russians?

These are bizarro times.

Except for the coronavirus, I don’t see what’s so wrong with "these times" globally speaking? The world’s doing far better than the 2000s
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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:08 am

Juristonia wrote:Other people have things that matter more to them. Like wanting to be able to feed their kids, wanting to walk outside without getting gunned down, not losing their homes, or any of the other stuff on the long laundry list of things that have been a problem long before Trump ever came along.


None of these concerns will ever be a priority if Donald Trump is re-elected. THAT'S REALITY! THAT'S THE POINT!
These problems have gotten worse under Donald Trump. THAT'S REALITY! THAT'S THE POINT!

If you want to make the world a better place, it starts by addressing problems that can be solved.

Donald Trump has no interest in solving anyone's problems. None of your priorities will be addresses as long as he and his minions remain in power.

There's a big obstacle that is stopping any progress toward making the world a better place. Whatever your reason for going down that road, whatever your priority, job #1 is to remove the obstacle so you can move forward.

Any effort to solve these problems will be met with obstruction from Trump's agents in the Senate or a veto from Trump. Job #1 is to remove the obstacle so we can move forward.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:16 am

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:How Joe Biden’s leading VP contenders stack up in the wake of protests over George Floyd’s death.

The likes of Klobuchar, Harris, and Demings could be the most impacted given their background/association with law enforcement.

For Klobuchar, we've all said her bid for VP is all but dead:

Klobuchar was the Hennepin County attorney, where she declined to bring cases against multiple police officers and instead pushed them to a grand jury.

Those revelations certainly hurt Klobuchar the most. Harris' own record can be concerning too though it seems the likes of some within the Black Caucus are willing to ignore that, citing their believe she can excite African Americans (despite the fact she couldn't within the primary). Demings has her own problems as well though the bigger concerns are the lack of her national profile.

Warren seems to the most likely to benefit from this moment: while she herself isn't black, Warren has been positioning herself as someone wants to not only unit the Party, but also the country.

Can’t believe I unironically want it to be Warren. What’s the world coming to.


She may have a good shot now though that also means there's more room for a dark horse type candidate as well. But yes, these times are unusually strange and well, unbalanced.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:18 am

Zurkerx wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Can’t believe I unironically want it to be Warren. What’s the world coming to.


She may have a good shot now though that also means there's more room for a dark horse type candidate as well. But yes, these times are unusually strange and well, unbalanced.


Dark horse? Like who?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:22 am

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Credit goes to Gravlen,

Remember, covid misinformation is okay if it's to beat Trump.


Remember the time Trump told people to test if injecting disinfects would cure the virus?

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:22 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
She may have a good shot now though that also means there's more room for a dark horse type candidate as well. But yes, these times are unusually strange and well, unbalanced.


Dark horse? Like who?


Tammy Baldwin or Ayanna Pressley, hopefully.
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Postby Page » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:22 am

Aureumterra wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
The world's been messed up since Trump was elected. Who would have thought you would have seen the left defending the FBI and the right defending the Russians?

These are bizarro times.

Except for the coronavirus, I don’t see what’s so wrong with "these times" globally speaking? The world’s doing far better than the 2000s


Many people take for granted our progress as a species for granted and have a distorted nostalgia for the past. I am glad we no longer have to deal with polio and lead poisoning, I love the internet (where I met the love of my life and lots of friends), I am happy I have a phone that can do anything I need, and that poverty worldwide is declining while human lifespans have increased.

However, in terms of politics, many things are worse. The United States, Hungary, Poland, Brazil, Turkey, Russia, and the Philippines (just to name a few) have fallen under the rule of anti-democratic reactionary authoritarians. China is rolling out their dystopian social credit system and who knows what potential that shit has to spread throughout the world. The Arab Spring turned into a bloodbath that is still going on to this day. Plus we're seeing the return of obscene wealth, a few men soon to be trillionaires while millions can't meet their basic needs, a new gilded age is coming.

It's a mixed bag.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:24 am

Aureumterra wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
The world's been messed up since Trump was elected. Who would have thought you would have seen the left defending the FBI and the right defending the Russians?

These are bizarro times.

Except for the coronavirus, I don’t see what’s so wrong with "these times" globally speaking? The world’s doing far better than the 2000s

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:24 am

Aclion wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Cross posting this from the Trump thread


Credit goes to Gravlen,

Remember, covid misinformation is okay if it's to beat Trump.


Is it now?

Examples?
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:58 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
She may have a good shot now though that also means there's more room for a dark horse type candidate as well. But yes, these times are unusually strange and well, unbalanced.


Dark horse? Like who?


Val pointed out a couple, but also the likes of Sinema, Bottoms, Rice, and a Governor. My Top 5 List/Top 5 Dark Horse Candidates:

Top 5:

1. Duckworth
2. Warren (swapped to second)
3. Demings (swapped to third)
4. Baldwin
5. Hassan

Top 5 Dark Horses:

1. Bottoms
2. Sinema
3. Girsham
4. Whitmer
5. Rice

Suffice to say, this racial unrest and COVID-19 has thrown Biden's VP Process into wack.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:17 pm

Page wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Except for the coronavirus, I don’t see what’s so wrong with "these times" globally speaking? The world’s doing far better than the 2000s


Many people take for granted our progress as a species for granted and have a distorted nostalgia for the past. I am glad we no longer have to deal with polio and lead poisoning, I love the internet (where I met the love of my life and lots of friends), I am happy I have a phone that can do anything I need, and that poverty worldwide is declining while human lifespans have increased.

However, in terms of politics, many things are worse. The United States, Hungary, Poland, Brazil, Turkey, Russia, and the Philippines (just to name a few) have fallen under the rule of anti-democratic reactionary authoritarians. China is rolling out their dystopian social credit system and who knows what potential that shit has to spread throughout the world. The Arab Spring turned into a bloodbath that is still going on to this day. Plus we're seeing the return of obscene wealth, a few men soon to be trillionaires while millions can't meet their basic needs, a new gilded age is coming.

It's a mixed bag.

That’s my point, almost every era in human history is a mixed bag, you just have to look at things from a different perspective
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Page wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Except for the coronavirus, I don’t see what’s so wrong with "these times" globally speaking? The world’s doing far better than the 2000s


Many people take for granted our progress as a species for granted and have a distorted nostalgia for the past. I am glad we no longer have to deal with polio and lead poisoning, I love the internet (where I met the love of my life and lots of friends), I am happy I have a phone that can do anything I need, and that poverty worldwide is declining while human lifespans have increased.

However, in terms of politics, many things are worse. The United States, Hungary, Poland, Brazil, Turkey, Russia, and the Philippines (just to name a few) have fallen under the rule of anti-democratic reactionary authoritarians. China is rolling out their dystopian social credit system and who knows what potential that shit has to spread throughout the world. The Arab Spring turned into a bloodbath that is still going on to this day. Plus we're seeing the return of obscene wealth, a few men soon to be trillionaires while millions can't meet their basic needs, a new gilded age is coming.

It's a mixed bag.


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Postby Asle Leopolka » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:08 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Can’t believe I unironically want it to be Warren. What’s the world coming to.


The world's been messed up since Trump was elected. Who would have thought you would have seen the left defending the FBI and the right defending the Russians?

These are bizarro times.

We are all cursed for not following the warnings by the seers of the Simpson.

It all started when Harambe died.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:11 pm

Asle Leopolka wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
The world's been messed up since Trump was elected. Who would have thought you would have seen the left defending the FBI and the right defending the Russians?

These are bizarro times.

We are all cursed for not following the warnings by the seers of the Simpson.

It all started when Harambe died.


Turns out the soul of the nation of the United States wasn't in our monuments, leaders, or ideals, it was in some gorilla at the Cincinnati Zoo. Who knew?
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Asle Leopolka wrote:It all started when Harambe died.


Turns out the soul of the nation of the United States wasn't in our monuments, leaders, or ideals, it was in some gorilla at the Cincinnati Zoo. Who knew?


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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:31 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:How Joe Biden’s leading VP contenders stack up in the wake of protests over George Floyd’s death.

The likes of Klobuchar, Harris, and Demings could be the most impacted given their background/association with law enforcement.

For Klobuchar, we've all said her bid for VP is all but dead:

Klobuchar was the Hennepin County attorney, where she declined to bring cases against multiple police officers and instead pushed them to a grand jury.

Those revelations certainly hurt Klobuchar the most. Harris' own record can be concerning too though it seems the likes of some within the Black Caucus are willing to ignore that, citing their believe she can excite African Americans (despite the fact she couldn't within the primary). Demings has her own problems as well though the bigger concerns are the lack of her national profile.

Warren seems to the most likely to benefit from this moment: while she herself isn't black, Warren has been positioning herself as someone wants to not only unit the Party, but also the country.

Can’t believe I unironically want it to be Warren. What’s the world coming to.

Warren has been polling very well amongst Democratic voters as the top VP choice for both whites and blacks alike.
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:49 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
She may have a good shot now though that also means there's more room for a dark horse type candidate as well. But yes, these times are unusually strange and well, unbalanced.


Dark horse? Like who?


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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:54 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Can’t believe I unironically want it to be Warren. What’s the world coming to.

Warren has been polling very well amongst Democratic voters as the top VP choice for both whites and blacks alike.


Aye but what about independents? It's all and good to unite the Democratic Party but the appeal for Independents is just as important. We know independents aren't fond of Trump, poll after poll shows it. But can a Biden-Warren Ticket do that? I'm not 100% sure.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:01 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Warren has been polling very well amongst Democratic voters as the top VP choice for both whites and blacks alike.


Aye but what about independents? It's all and good to unite the Democratic Party but the appeal for Independents is just as important. We know independents aren't fond of Trump, poll after poll shows it. But can a Biden-Warren Ticket do that? I'm not 100% sure.

In that case, I haven't really seen much polling with who independents most prefer as VP.
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Postby Ngelmish » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:04 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Warren has been polling very well amongst Democratic voters as the top VP choice for both whites and blacks alike.


Aye but what about independents? It's all and good to unite the Democratic Party but the appeal for Independents is just as important. We know independents aren't fond of Trump, poll after poll shows it. But can a Biden-Warren Ticket do that? I'm not 100% sure.


I know the arguments, but I'm still not convinced that anyone is voting for the VP.

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:12 pm

Ngelmish wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Aye but what about independents? It's all and good to unite the Democratic Party but the appeal for Independents is just as important. We know independents aren't fond of Trump, poll after poll shows it. But can a Biden-Warren Ticket do that? I'm not 100% sure.


I know the arguments, but I'm still not convinced that anyone is voting for the VP.

Well, I am. People whose votes count, maybe not.
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