2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Kargintina the Third]

*Shooting their values in the foot

No that would be by voting for the guy like Trump. No Biden thanks.

I mean there’s no point in you voting for Biden if you don’t like him, it’s much better to just stick your beliefs and vote for Bernie

[Shrillland]

I wouldn't say incapable, but NAFTA is a giant anchor for Biden.

Still opposing a universal healthcare system during a fucking pandemic is my issue with Biden.

Tbf, Italy has universal healthcare too, and look how badly they've fared.

[Cisairse]

I wouldn't say incapable, but NAFTA is a giant anchor for Biden.

Still opposing a universal healthcare system during a fucking pandemic is my issue with Biden.

Biden is in favor of universal healthcare, he just doesn't support single-payer.

[Genivaria]

Staying true to their values.

*Shooting their values in the foot

That doesn't even make sense.

[Greed and Death]

Union dues aren't expensive, I've never seen sizable chunks of money removed from my father's paycheques or my mother's pension cheques.

Tbh, one of the things we could do to drastically increase union representation is to make it deductible above the line.

No, why on gods green earth so the tax payer subsidize unions by giving people a write off to encourage membership ?

[Kargintina the Third]

*Shooting their values in the foot

That doesn't even make sense.

Just don’t worry about people trying to guilt you into voting for Biden stand up for what you believe in

[Gormwood]

Naturally people will be oblivious to the fact that the "new" trade agreement is just NAFTA with a yuge gold TRUMP™ logo embossed on it.

Well, there's a couple key elements to the new one that's markedly different than the old. Namely, they get to comply with enforced safety regulations, subject to US inspections, and (and this is somewhat ironic, but stick with me) Mexican workers are required to be allowed to unionize, instead of the union busting Mexico has engaged in the past (quite literally in fact, beating people who tried to form a unions in the literal sense).

All of that will drive up the cost of labor in Mexico, and make it less attractive to outsource there, putting us on a more level playing field.

America outsources union solidarity in addition to democracy. Cute. Funny how the Republicans are obsessed with foreign workers unionizing when they're trying to erase unions here in the U.S.

[Cisairse]

We don't need WI if we can get NC.

And we don't need NC or PA if we can get FL.

We likely won't get either WI or FL at this rate. They're both going redder by the day.

Quite to the contrary, Trump is polling beneath his own approval rating in the state:

[Vassenor]

*Shooting their values in the foot

That doesn't even make sense.

So how is Four More Years true to Bernie's values?

[Liriena]

What a dogshit timeline in American politics.

The two-party system is a death cult.

[Shrillland]

Tbh, one of the things we could do to drastically increase union representation is to make it deductible above the line.

No, why on gods green earth so the tax payer subsidize unions by giving people a write off to encourage membership ?

How, exactly, is that giving them subsidies? It just makes it deductible, it doesn't give them money.

[Everhall]

2000 was a controversial year given what transpired: Al Gore would have probably won if I'm being honest. Kerry blew it. However, Obama, while viewed at the time as "left", is really a moderate. Clinton was just disliked and out of touch. Biden, while a moderate, is further left than she is and seems to be willing, to an extent, move "left" more. Now, more Sanders Supporters will back Biden due to knowing what Trump is like so I don't really see how they can be blamed this time around. This election is going to be close, and likely will come down to a 1 percentage point; Michigan Democrats will win back; PA seems possible with Biden at top. It's Wisconsin that should worry them.

We don't need WI if we can get NC.

And we don't need NC or PA if we can get FL.

Generally if you're already loosing in NC and PA, you're probably not going to win Florida.

*Shooting their values in the foot

No that would be by voting for the guy like Trump. No Biden thanks.

And you'd be right. Voting for Trump would be shooting your values in the foot because that helps him get reelected. By that same logic NOT voting for Biden would also be shooting your values in the foot because that would help Trump get reelected.

Biden is shit, I know this, you know this. However, he can be relied upon on one thing: appointing good judges. No matter how much you may loath the idea of voting for Joe Biden, you will loath the miasma of young Trump judges and justices that will strike-down and destroy Progressive achievements for the next few decades.

[Galloism]

Tbh, one of the things we could do to drastically increase union representation is to make it deductible above the line.

No, why on gods green earth so the tax payer subsidize unions by giving people a write off to encourage membership ?

Because it's an expense to produce taxable income, and expenses to produce taxable income are generally deductible.

[Gormwood]

That doesn't even make sense.

So how is Four More Years true to Bernie's values?

It's an excuse for disgruntled Bernier Than Thous to sneer "WE TOLD YOU SO!"

[Shrillland]

What a dogshit timeline in American politics.

The two-party system is a death cult.

Yes, well...If we changed voting systems that would help somewhat.

[Galloism]

Well, there's a couple key elements to the new one that's markedly different than the old. Namely, they get to comply with enforced safety regulations, subject to US inspections, and (and this is somewhat ironic, but stick with me) Mexican workers are required to be allowed to unionize, instead of the union busting Mexico has engaged in the past (quite literally in fact, beating people who tried to form a unions in the literal sense).

All of that will drive up the cost of labor in Mexico, and make it less attractive to outsource there, putting us on a more level playing field.

America outsources union solidarity in addition to democracy. Cute.

It's humorous right?

But do you see how that's different than NAFTA?

[The East Marches II]

Well, there's a couple key elements to the new one that's markedly different than the old. Namely, they get to comply with enforced safety regulations, subject to US inspections, and (and this is somewhat ironic, but stick with me) Mexican workers are required to be allowed to unionize, instead of the union busting Mexico has engaged in the past (quite literally in fact, beating people who tried to form a unions in the literal sense).

All of that will drive up the cost of labor in Mexico, and make it less attractive to outsource there, putting us on a more level playing field.

America outsources union solidarity in addition to democracy. Cute.

I would ask that posters remember this in the future when Gauthier complains about the Free Market hurting workers. He only cares when convenient in an argument.

[Cisairse]

We don't need WI if we can get NC.

And we don't need NC or PA if we can get FL.

Generally if you're already loosing in NC and PA, you're probably not going to win Florida.

I stopped believing all conventional wisdom about what states will follow what demographic trends when Trump won Pennsylvania.

[Everhall]

That doesn't even make sense.

Just don’t worry about people trying to guilt you into voting for Biden stand up for what you believe in

I'm trying to help him stand up for what he believes in, because not voting for Biden would ultimately be worse for said beliefs.

[Liriena]

Love that we're not even one day into Biden's de facto nomination and we're already running into the logistical improbability of him winning enough swing states to get the presidency.

[Thermodolia]

Honestly to further my goals Trump should win in a near landslide, with nearly all of congress going red.

Then more on the left will come to conclusion that democracy won’t fix shit and lead to a revolution

Dahon, is that you?

Hardly. But acceleration of the capitalist system would lead to its overthrow

[New Socialist South Africa]

Ah, so he finally dropped out. While he hasn't endorsed Biden, I suspect he will soon, once they come to an agreement on platform; Sanders will have great influence on that. Ultimately, it's up to Sanders' Supporters whether they want to back Biden or not, but Biden needs to earn their vote. How he does that, I'm not totally sure. As an outsider here, however, I would strongly recommend it given Biden is better than Trump by miles despite his flaws.



He actually did well in the last debate he had: Biden does best when it's a one-on-one, and that debate showed it. Of course, people that favor Sanders heavily won't see it that way due to bias while Biden Supporters believe he did excellent (me personally, I give it a tie), but Biden and Sanders held their ground on their respective views.

I too would prefer a Biden presidency over four more years of Trump. In the years 2000, 2004, 2016, moderate Democrats campaigned only to lose the elections of those years respectively. If Biden loses, Sanders supporters will be the ones to blame whether they voted for him or not.

Well thanks for telling us up front that you'll blame Sanders supporters if Biden loses whether they vote for him or not. It's this kind of complete inability for centrists to take responsibility of their own shitty candidates and miserable policies that really does inspire leftists to turn out and vote. Blame Russia, blame leftists, blame racism, blame sexism, blame Fox News, but taking a moment to introspect on the flaws of a candidate and their policies? Nah, it couldn't be that, they were perfect.

[Cisairse]

Love that we're not even one day into Biden's de facto nomination and we're already running into the logistical improbability of him winning enough swing states to get the presidency.

To be fair, it's also a logistical improbability for Trump to win enough swing states to get the presidency.

[Agarntrop]

I encourage people to either vote for either Hawkins or Trump out of protest

[Cisairse]

I too would prefer a Biden presidency over four more years of Trump. In the years 2000, 2004, 2016, moderate Democrats campaigned only to lose the elections of those years respectively. If Biden loses, Sanders supporters will be the ones to blame whether they voted for him or not.

Well thanks for telling us up front that you'll blame Sanders supporters if Biden loses whether they vote for him or not. It's this kind of complete inability for centrists to take responsibility of their own shitty candidates and miserable policies that really does inspire leftists to turn out and vote. Blame Russia, blame leftists, blame racism, blame sexism, blame Fox News, but taking a moment to introspect on the flaws of a candidate and their policies? Nah, it couldn't be that, they were perfect.

Do you seriously not understand that you not voting for a left candidate harms the left-wing movement?