2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Kannap]

Since 2016 the only thing I care about is having a third option. I dont care if its Lib or Green im just voting for whoever is polling the highest in November.

Literally why vote

If nothing else, there are most likely down ballot elections that are important for Poskistan to vote in, regardless of if they vote third party for the President or abstain from the Presidential election.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You have a level of audacity to say such things. Voting Libertarian will split Trump's vote, and supporting a 3rd party gets them closer to being on the debate stage.

Gary Johnson and Jill Stein is the reason Trump got elected in the first place.

Literally the exact opposite of this is true. If you removed third parties from 2016 it's very plausible Trump could have won the popular vote too.

e: Trump also would have probably carried NH too

[Nap the Magnificent]

Gary Johnson and Jill Stein is the reason Trump got elected in the first place.

Literally the exact opposite of this is true. If you removed third parties from 2016 it's very plausible Trump could have won the popular vote too.

e: Trump also would have probably carried NH too

This. Most of the other runners disproportionately took votes away from Trump and the GOP. Gary Johnson received nearly 4.5 million votes and his supporters are generally Republican-leaning. Evan McMullin is a former Republican who ran to oppose Trump and received 731k votes, many of whom were probably former bog standard pre-Trump era Republicans; given being forced to vote between Trump and Clinton it would probably be somewhat evenly split. Darrell Castle ran for the Constitution Party, a right-wing libertarian party and 203k votes most of whom if they voted for either of the two major candidates, would have probably disproportionately favored the GOP. The only non GOP-Dem candidate whose voters would have leaned towards Hillary are Jill Stein who received 1.457 million votes. If you assume or push these people to vote for either of the two major parties and considering then which they would favored in such a case, it would have benefited Trump immensely more than Clinton for them to not have voted alternatively. He would win the popular vote easily and as stated would have probably won NH.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Gary Johnson and Jill Stein is the reason Trump got elected in the first place.

Literally the exact opposite of this is true. If you removed third parties from 2016 it's very plausible Trump could have won the popular vote too.

e: Trump also would have probably carried NH too

“A mystery of the 2020 election was solved Tuesday as it became clear the Montana Republican Party paid for an effort to qualify the Montana Green Party for the ballot this election,” the Missoulian reports.
“Earlier this year paid petitioners appeared in Montana’s larger cities gathering signatures to qualify the Greens to run candidates this cycle, even though the Montana Green Party has made clear it did not do any work to qualify for the ballot this year and had not planned to run any candidates.”

Anyone who knows anything about American politics knows what GREEN means:

Getting
Republicans
Elected
Every
November

[Kannap]

Literally the exact opposite of this is true. If you removed third parties from 2016 it's very plausible Trump could have won the popular vote too.

e: Trump also would have probably carried NH too

“A mystery of the 2020 election was solved Tuesday as it became clear the Montana Republican Party paid for an effort to qualify the Montana Green Party for the ballot this election,” the Missoulian reports.
“Earlier this year paid petitioners appeared in Montana’s larger cities gathering signatures to qualify the Greens to run candidates this cycle, even though the Montana Green Party has made clear it did not do any work to qualify for the ballot this year and had not planned to run any candidates.”

Anyone who knows anything about American politics knows what GREEN means:

Getting
Republicans
Elected
Every
November

Boring joke, do better

[Nap the Magnificent]

Literally the exact opposite of this is true. If you removed third parties from 2016 it's very plausible Trump could have won the popular vote too.

e: Trump also would have probably carried NH too

“A mystery of the 2020 election was solved Tuesday as it became clear the Montana Republican Party paid for an effort to qualify the Montana Green Party for the ballot this election,” the Missoulian reports.
“Earlier this year paid petitioners appeared in Montana’s larger cities gathering signatures to qualify the Greens to run candidates this cycle, even though the Montana Green Party has made clear it did not do any work to qualify for the ballot this year and had not planned to run any candidates.”

Anyone who knows anything about American politics knows what GREEN means:

Getting
Republicans
Elected
Every
November

Montana overwhelmingly goes for the Republicans. Trump beat Clinton by over 100k votes and that was with Johnson taking 28k from the GOP. Jill Stein and the Greens got 7970 votes, it would have done nothing for the Democrats. The Montana GOP is probably just doing it to fuck with the Democrats but it has absolutely zero bearing on one of the reddest states.

[Kannap]

Anyone who knows anything about American politics knows what GREEN means:

Getting
Republicans
Elected
Every
November

Montana overwhelmingly goes for the Republicans. Trump beat Clinton by over 100k votes and that was with Johnson taking 28k from the GOP. Jill Stein and the Greens got 7970 votes, it would have done nothing for the Democrats. The Montana GOP is probably just doing it to fuck with the Democrats but it has absolutely zero bearing on one of the reddest states.

People exercising their right and freedom to vote is bad actually, everybody should be forced to pick between bad choice red cherry and bad choice blue raspberry.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Anyone who knows anything about American politics knows what GREEN means:

Getting
Republicans
Elected
Every
November

Boring joke, do better

It's not a joke. It's a well known saying in American politics.

Instead of dismissing posts you don't like, how about investigating for yourself. You just might learn something.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Anyone who knows anything about American politics knows what GREEN means:

Getting
Republicans
Elected
Every
November

Montana overwhelmingly goes for the Republicans.

I'm sure Sen. John Tester (D-Montana) & two-term Governor Steve Bullock (D-Montana) might take issue with what you just wrote.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Boring joke, do better

It's not a joke. It's a well known saying in American politics.

Instead of dismissing posts you don't like, how about investigating for yourself. You just might learn something.

It's not really accurate. The Constitution and Libertarian Party's combined get a lot more votes than the Greens and they lean right, thus hurting the GOP more.

[Kannap]

Boring joke, do better

It's not a joke. It's a well known saying in American politics.

Instead of dismissing posts you don't like, how about investigating for yourself. You just might learn something.

Except, as you'll find, and as somebody on this very page put it out for you, the majority of third party voters - if third parties didnt exist and they instead voted for one of the main two - would've voted for Trump, he would've won the popular vote.

Sure, Greens are a further leftist party so we're more likely to vote Dem than Republican, I usually vote Dem down ballot, but to blame your presidential candidate's loss in 2016 on us is a hilarious joke. I'm hoping the DNC had some reflection after their last loss and have learned and are doing things differently. I hope Biden doesn't ignore the states that Hillary ignored on the assumption that they'll vote Dem

[Kannap]

Montana overwhelmingly goes for the Republicans.

I'm sure Sen. John Tester (D-Montana) & two-term Governor Steve Bullock (D-Montana) might take issue with what you just wrote.

Exceptions to the rule don't mean the rule is false. Montana overwhelmingly votes for the Republican presidential candidate every time, if Montana flips blue and votes for Biden then you know we're truly living through Armageddon

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Montana overwhelmingly goes for the Republicans. Trump beat Clinton by over 100k votes and that was with Johnson taking 28k from the GOP. Jill Stein and the Greens got 7970 votes, it would have done nothing for the Democrats. The Montana GOP is probably just doing it to fuck with the Democrats but it has absolutely zero bearing on one of the reddest states.

People exercising their right and freedom to vote is bad actually, everybody should be forced to pick between bad choice red cherry and bad choice blue raspberry.

But what if one of the candidates is put there to draw votes away from a second candidate in order to get the third candidate elected.

That's what Montana Republicans are doing by basically working to get Greens on the ballot there.

I'm sure the Republicans in Montana simply want the process to be open to everyone.
A political party wouldn't possible make moves for political gain...
...unless they're centrist Democrats of course.

[Kannap]

People exercising their right and freedom to vote is bad actually, everybody should be forced to pick between bad choice red cherry and bad choice blue raspberry.

But what if one of the candidates is put there to draw votes away from a second candidate in order to get the third candidate elected.

That's what Montana Republicans are doing by basically working to get Greens on the ballot there.

I'm sure the Republicans in Montana simply want the process to be open to everyone.
A political party wouldn't possible make moves for political gain...
...unless they're centrist Democrats of course.

Rare time Republicans are supporting some semblance of democracy lol, don't get used to it. Usually they just gerrymander a state to shit

[The Andromeda Island Group]

xcept, as you'll find, and as somebody on this very page put it out for you, the majority of third party voters - if third parties didnt exist and they instead voted for one of the main two - would've voted for Trump, he would've won the popular vote.

He stated an opinion, backed up by absolutely nothing.

If I simply state that Kannap is Donald Trump, that opinion would be just as valid as the opinion given by Washington Resistance Army... because the opinion would be backed up by nothing.

The only difference: Washington Resistance Army really wants his opinion to be true. His wanting his opinion to be true doesn't make it true. Sorry!

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Donald Trump will die of Coronavirus.

This opinion may be one held by many Americans. There are many Americans who might want it to happen. They may pray for it. They may want it to happen a whole lot. They may cross their fingers wanting it to happen.

But there is no EVIDENCE that Donald Trump will die of Corona virus. There's no EVIDENCE, no matter how much his opponents might want it to happen.

Just like there is absolutely, positively ZERO evidence that Washington Resistance Army, belief about Gary Johnson (L), Jill Stein (G) and Donald Trump are true.

Sorry, but I will not join some of my fellow posters here in their fantasyland, just so they can feel better about themselves. Not happening.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Donald Trump will die of Coronavirus.

This opinion may be one held by many Americans. There are many Americans who might want it to happen. They may pray for it. They may want it to happen a whole lot. They may cross their fingers wanting it to happen.

But there is no EVIDENCE that Donald Trump will die of Corona virus. There's no EVIDENCE, no matter how much his opponents might want it to happen.

Just like there is absolutely, positively ZERO evidence that Washington Resistance Army, belief about Gary Johnson (L), Jill Stein (G) and Donald Trump are true.

Sorry, but I will not join some of my fellow posters here in their fantasyland, just so they can feel better about themselves. Not happening.

Trump lost the popular vote by 2.9 million votes. Right wing third parties or independents put together got over 5 million votes, compared to less than 2 million votes for liberal or left leaning third parties and independents. Basic math shows the GOP was hurt more by third parties than the Democrats were.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Trump lost the popular vote by 2.9 million votes. Right wing third parties or independents put together got over 5 million votes, compared to less than 2 million votes for liberal or left leaning third parties and independents. Basic math shows the GOP was hurt more by third parties than the Democrats were.

You're assuming, again with no EVIDENCE, that all of the votes for the right wing third parties would have automatically put Donald Trump over the top.

Say hello to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny for me.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Trump lost the popular vote by 2.9 million votes. Right wing third parties or independents put together got over 5 million votes, compared to less than 2 million votes for liberal or left leaning third parties and independents. Basic math shows the GOP was hurt more by third parties than the Democrats were.

You're assuming, again with no EVIDENCE, that all of the votes for the right wing third parties would have automatically put Donald Trump over the top.

Say hello to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny for me.

An amusing statement, given you were just blaming the Greens for the Dems losing.

[True Refuge]

Trump lost the popular vote by 2.9 million votes. Right wing third parties or independents put together got over 5 million votes, compared to less than 2 million votes for liberal or left leaning third parties and independents. Basic math shows the GOP was hurt more by third parties than the Democrats were.

You're assuming, again with no EVIDENCE, that all of the votes for the right wing third parties would have automatically put Donald Trump over the top.

Say hello to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny for me.

Someone already explained typical vote distributions. See a few posts prior.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

You're assuming, again with no EVIDENCE, that all of the votes for the right wing third parties would have automatically put Donald Trump over the top.

Say hello to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny for me.

An amusing statement, given you were just blaming the Greens for the Dems losing.

Read my post closely. I provided some EVIDENCE that went against your baseless assumption.

However, I never explicitly blamed them. If I did, I'D only have MY opinion as back up.

Nice try, but I'm still not going to the North Pole to find Santa's workshop anytime soon.

[Kannap]

An amusing statement, given you were just blaming the Greens for the Dems losing.

Read my post closely. I provided some EVIDENCE that went against your baseless assumption.

However, I never explicitly blamed them. If I did, I'D only have MY opinion as back up.

Nice try, but I'm still not going to the North Pole to find Santa's workshop anytime soon.

Neither of you have provided any evidence, but feel free to continue your playground piss contest.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Someone already explained typical vote distributions. See a few posts prior.

That still doesn't prove Washington Resistance Army's BASELESS assumption, provided with ZERO evidence.

Should we automatically assume that every person who voted for the Constitution Party & the Libertarian Party would have voted for Donald Trump? Maybe Washington Resistance Army wants to make that assumption, but I have a little more faith in libertarians & CP members. If they are a party of principle, most of their voters couldn't possibly vote for Donald Trump, a man with no principles.

I don't live in fantasyland, and I refuse to go there just to make Washington Resistance Army and Kannap happy. Not happening.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

Read my post closely. I provided some EVIDENCE that went against your baseless assumption.

However, I never explicitly blamed them. If I did, I'D only have MY opinion as back up.

Nice try, but I'm still not going to the North Pole to find Santa's workshop anytime soon.

Neither of you have provided any evidence, but feel free to continue your playground piss contest.

Ask the Green Party in Montana if there's evidence. You won't like the answer.

[True Refuge]

Someone already explained typical vote distributions. See a few posts prior.

That still doesn't prove Washington Resistance Army's BASELESS assumption, provided with ZERO evidence.

Should we automatically assume that every person who voted for the Constitution Party & the Libertarian Party would have voted for Donald Trump? Maybe Washington Resistance Army wants to make that assumption, but I have a little more faith in libertarians & CP members. If they are a party of principle, most of their voters couldn't possibly vote for Donald Trump, a man with no principles.

I don't live in fantasyland, and I refuse to go there just to make Washington Resistance Army and Kannap happy. Not happening.

The capitalization's a bit silly. The point's obvious enough.

And it's not totally baseless to assume that a significant number of right-leaning third party voters have a strong enough distaste for the Dems that they'd have found a lesser of two evils argument (where Trump is the lesser) appealing if third parties had not run any candidates.

You have a point but going all absolute about it lacks nuance.