2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Jerzylvania]

Indeed though we should note it doesn't specifically reference that incident. As Corrian said, if Reade was sexually assaulted like she was, why would the mother "she didn't want to ruin the senator's credibility"? This case is baffling and there are so many loops to jump through that her case is just weak. Now, I think there's a good chance that Biden didn't respect his space and it likely creep her out. After all, she didn't mention the grotesque details until about a year after she made the allegation. As I (and Reagan) would say: Trust, but verify.

The underlined is not an uncommon thing actually. Trauma victims often end up self blaming and convincing themselves it was their fault and whatnot. If you fall into that pit it's really easy to understand that statement.

That's a great example of an excuse used to jump to a conclusion. Fact is Zurk was right, she has a pretty weak case which is probably how it will remain. However, that won't stop political partisans from beating this dead horse of a story on "the internets."

[Gormwood]

Indeed though we should note it doesn't specifically reference that incident. As Corrian said, if Reade was sexually assaulted like she was, why would the mother "she didn't want to ruin the senator's credibility"? This case is baffling and there are so many loops to jump through that her case is just weak. Now, I think there's a good chance that Biden didn't respect his space and it likely creep her out. After all, she didn't mention the grotesque details until about a year after she made the allegation. As I (and Reagan) would say: Trust, but verify.

The underlined is not an uncommon thing actually. Trauma victims often end up self blaming and convincing themselves it was their fault and whatnot. If you fall into that pit it's really easy to understand that statement.

How many of Cosby or Weinstein's victims were worried about ruining their credibility?

[Kannap]

The underlined is not an uncommon thing actually. Trauma victims often end up self blaming and convincing themselves it was their fault and whatnot. If you fall into that pit it's really easy to understand that statement.

How many of Cosby or Weinstein's victims were worried about ruining their credibility?

Why do you continue to insist on bringing those two up everytime this conversation happens. Are Cosby or Weinstein running for President? No? Then we're not discussing them in this thread.

[Northern Davincia]

The underlined is not an uncommon thing actually. Trauma victims often end up self blaming and convincing themselves it was their fault and whatnot. If you fall into that pit it's really easy to understand that statement.

How many of Cosby or Weinstein's victims were worried about ruining their credibility?

A lot of them, presumably.

[Ifreann]

Strange how people spending all day talking about how godly Bernie is on the internet are surprised when he doesn’t get nominated because the same people didn’t go out to vote

The only people who call Sanders godlike are you and Gormwood, and you both obviously don't mean it. In fact, the only people who bring up Sanders at all are people like the two you of, who want to take a shot at people who supported him.

The primary might technically still be on-going, but Biden's as good as won. Just take the W.

[Tombradyonia]

Hmm, that is true. Also hmm, I didn't realize she made mention of the video before of its release:

Before the King video was discovered, Reade told media outlets, including POLITICO, that her mother had called into his show. She did not remember the date of the show at the time.

"She called him, I think, 'a prominent senator,'" Reade said in an interview last month. “She didn’t get into the assault, she got into the harassment. She said my daughter was sexually harassed by a very prominent senator, and then they retaliated and fired her.”

The Prominent Senator part is right, but the boldened was never said in the video; no mention of sexual assault or her being fired. However, it's not a good sign for Biden though if I am to be honest, if people don't care about Trump's allegations (which is unfortunate), then I'm unfortunately going to say they won't care about Biden's; Americans are going to likely focus on and be like "damn, both sexually assaulted people but who's going to help me more?"

If these allegations are true, he should be removed from the ticket, though while conventional wisdom would tell us it should be Sanders, I don't think that will be the case. In fact, I think they would nominate Cuomo. Yet, if Biden were to say "Sanders should be the nominee if I can't be", then it'll be hard for the DNC to deny Sanders that.

What is the point in coming forward so many years later? What is she trying to gain when the statue of limitations has long since passed? How could it even be proved?

Right wingers willing to pay for it?
They're trying to do to Biden what they did to Clinton.

I smell some serious ratfucking here.

[Tombradyonia]

Strange how people spending all day talking about how godly Bernie is on the internet are surprised when he doesn’t get nominated because the same people didn’t go out to vote

I don't understand the narrative that Sanders' supporters simply forgot to vote. That is somehow both being generous to the size of his support base while insulting their intelligence. Politically engaged college students aren't stupid, fellas.

What's more likely is that support for Biden among the bulk of the Democratic electorate (which is broad, and predominately not college-aged) outweiged that of Sanders. I'd have to do some vote-total comparisons, but it seems that Biden's appeal was simply broader to a great degree, which is the same problem that Sanders ran into in 2016.

A big issue here is that Sanders supporters tend to be younger, more activist and more active on social media. If you follow mostly or only social media you might be fooled into thinking his support is bigger than it actually is (don't get me wrong, that support is big, just not nearly big enough). Add in a bunch of right wing trolling and the picture is complete.

Just because said limitations have passed doesn't mean they shouldn't go unpunished. If Biden sexually assaulted her, then he needs to be removed from the ticket. Simple as that. It's called ethics, and Republicans will enjoy feasting on that if he remains on the ticket despite Trump's Hush Payments to Daniels.

And therefore we should have a double standard? How would you prove something from almost thirty years ago. And removing him from the ticket would basically guarantee a loss but if Democrats want to blow the election by all means go ahead and do so.

There's always a double standard. Democrats tend to be held to a much higher standard than Republicans.
Just rewind to the late 1990s when you had a who's who of serial adulterers (and pederast Hastert) going after Clinton for fooling around with a government clerk.

The chief topic in this election should be Trump's massive incompetence, corruption and criminal negligence in the Covid-19 crisis which has led to thousands of preventable deaths.

[Corrian]

I hate Harris continuing to be flaunted as a top pick. Just like pls no, there's so many good picks, don't pick the absolutely worst one.

[Corrian]

Yeah, I think part of my issue is I take everything with a grain of salt right now because there's so much bullshit happening. I feel like this is something that should have come out during the other times Biden run, when he was VP, etc.

[Valrifell]

Yeah, I think part of my issue is I take everything with a grain of salt right now because there's so much bullshit happening. I feel like this is something that should have come out during the other times Biden run, when he was VP, etc.

There's never a "good" moment to speak forward about something that happened. In that same vein, there's also not a "bad" moment to talk about it either.

That she waited so long through so many other things is not a point against it being true, Cosby's accusers and victims also waited years and now he's going to die in prison.

[San Lumen]

I hate Harris continuing to be flaunted as a top pick. Just like pls no, there's so many good picks, don't pick the absolutely worst one.

who would you like?

[San Lumen]

Yeah, I think part of my issue is I take everything with a grain of salt right now because there's so much bullshit happening. I feel like this is something that should have come out during the other times Biden run, when he was VP, etc.

There's never a "good" moment to speak forward about something that happened. In that same vein, there's also not a "bad" moment to talk about it either.

That she waited so long through so many other things is not a point against it being true, Cosby's accusers and victims also waited years and now he's going to die in prison.

It sounds an awful like the allegations against Keith Ellison

[Valrifell]

There's never a "good" moment to speak forward about something that happened. In that same vein, there's also not a "bad" moment to talk about it either.

That she waited so long through so many other things is not a point against it being true, Cosby's accusers and victims also waited years and now he's going to die in prison.

It sounds an awful like the allegations against Keith Ellison

I mean, to a point, all allegations of this form sound similar.

[San Lumen]

It sounds an awful like the allegations against Keith Ellison

I mean, to a point, all allegations of this form sound similar.

There was little proof in the Ellison accusations either and he still got elected

[The East Marches II]

I mean, to a point, all allegations of this form sound similar.

There was little proof in the Ellison accusations either and he still got elected

I'm rather pleased this is coming out. I hope Biden enjoys his own medicine. It's the only justice we'll likely see him get for his insane ideas on justice.

[Corrian]

I hate Harris continuing to be flaunted as a top pick. Just like pls no, there's so many good picks, don't pick the absolutely worst one.

who would you like?

I'd be fine with like, almost anyone else being flaunted over Harris.

[Celritannia]

If Sexual Assault didn't stop trump from becoming President, what makes anyone think it will stop Biden?

[Zurkerx]

There's always a double standard. Democrats tend to be held to a much higher standard than Republicans.
Just rewind to the late 1990s when you had a who's who of serial adulterers (and pederast Hastert) going after Clinton for fooling around with a government clerk.

The chief topic in this election should be Trump's massive incompetence, corruption and criminal negligence in the Covid-19 crisis which has led to thousands of preventable deaths.

Yes: Trump's ineptitude needs to be hammered away though that's not easy to do especially when you have 40-45% of the population supporting him. Biden's VP, campaign strategy, and debate performance will matter.

I hate Harris continuing to be flaunted as a top pick. Just like pls no, there's so many good picks, don't pick the absolutely worst one.

Yeah, I think part of my issue is I take everything with a grain of salt right now because there's so much bullshit happening. I feel like this is something that should have come out during the other times Biden run, when he was VP, etc.

Combined both quotes into one here. Yeah, it must not be Harris, but if he goes the African American route, then Demings, KLB, or Fudge would be better. But yes, we need to be caution: trust, but verify. And I agree: she didn't excuse Biden until he announced he was running a year ago from today. Also the fact she won't go after him in civil court is also telling too.

If Sexual Assault didn't stop trump from becoming President, what makes anyone think it will stop Biden?

And this too: voters seem to not care enough; it looks like it's more of a generational/gender issue. Older voters don't care as much while younger voters do. Voters will basically look at both, see both don't treat women right and weigh who's the lesser evil.

[Gormwood]

If Sexual Assault didn't stop trump from becoming President, what makes anyone think it will stop Biden?

IOKIYAR.

[Gormwood]

If Sexual Assault didn't stop trump from becoming President, what makes anyone think it will stop Biden?

And this too: voters seem to not care enough; it looks like it's more of a generational/gender issue. Older voters don't care as much while younger voters do. Voters will basically look at both, see both don't treat women right and weigh who's the lesser evil.

Cue the sanctimonious lecture on "being forced to choose the lesser evil".

[Myrensis]

That Politico article regarding Reade's mother is a really bad look for Biden. It doesn't prove it's 100% true, but evidently she told at least some people about the supposed incident way back when.

Indeed though we should note it doesn't specifically reference that incident. As Corrian said, if Reade was sexually assaulted like she was, why would the mother "she didn't want to ruin the senator's credibility"? This case is baffling and there are so many loops to jump through that her case is just weak. Now, I think there's a good chance that Biden didn't respect his space and it likely creep her out. After all, she didn't mention the grotesque details until about a year after she made the allegation. As I (and Reagan) would say: Trust, but verify.

Yeah, the whole "She didn't say anything out of respect for him." bit is...really weird. It tracks with her original story that he had rubbed her neck and shoulders uncomfortably, but "She didn't want to tell anyone that he sexually assaulted her because she knew he was a busy man and didn't want to make things difficult for him." is kind of...odd.

[Northern Davincia]

If Sexual Assault didn't stop trump from becoming President, what makes anyone think it will stop Biden?

IOKIYAR.

This would be true if you believed accusations against Trump and Biden were valid.

[Celritannia]

If Sexual Assault didn't stop trump from becoming President, what makes anyone think it will stop Biden?

IOKIYAR.

Sorry, what? I am only getting bits of this XD

[South Odreria 2]

What is the point in coming forward so many years later? What is she trying to gain when the statue of limitations has long since passed? How could it even be proved?

Were these the questions you asked about Kavanaugh?

[Vassenor]

IOKIYAR.

Sorry, what? I am only getting bits of this XD

It's OK If You're A Republican.