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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:53 am

Nakena wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Newsweek isn’t the best source, but giving it the benefit of the doubt, I’m sure the majority of these people think social democracy is socialism, but that’s besides the point, since communism isn’t socialism


Also theres other forms of socialism than the marxian one ; D

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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:58 am

Thermodolia wrote:

That’s a big jump from 30%. I wonder how many would support socialism after COVID-19

After Trump tanks the economy from his free money policies?
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:04 am

This could go in either the MAGA or COVID-19 Thread but I think it can fit here as well considering it involves an important issue: the economy.

Dr. Fauci warns protests will 'backfire,' slow economic recovery

Which makes sense but this is a hypocritical administration after all:

Trump has continued to approve of the protests even as they flout his own administration's guidelines to avoid gatherings of 10 or more people and remain six feet apart from others.

I wonder if this would will put Trump in a dilemma.
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Postby Saturna1ia » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:06 am


There is nothing wronging with the ad at all. It's not fearmongering if the long-term goal of China is actually to supplant the United States and liberal ideals. Bleeding heart US citizens can often be just like the 'Murica crowd in their inability to see beyond their insulated American bubbles. Besides, the ad is mostly focused on Trump's failures to respond to China, not assailing Chinese people as the "yellow menace" or anything of that nature.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:48 am

Aureumterra wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:By that logic, North Korea should hurt all democratic movements worldwide.

People don’t readily associate North Korea with democracy, but people easily associate China with communism

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:48 am

Aureumterra wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:By that logic, North Korea should hurt all democratic movements worldwide.

People don’t readily associate North Korea with democracy, but people easily associate China with communism

Do they?
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 am

Zurkerx wrote:This could go in either the MAGA or COVID-19 Thread but I think it can fit here as well considering it involves an important issue: the economy.

Dr. Fauci warns protests will 'backfire,' slow economic recovery

Which makes sense but this is a hypocritical administration after all:

Trump has continued to approve of the protests even as they flout his own administration's guidelines to avoid gatherings of 10 or more people and remain six feet apart from others.

I wonder if this would will put Trump in a dilemma.


Considering Trump's entire worldview is consistently the exact opposite of what he says his worldview is, I doubt his administrative dissonance here really weighs on him.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:People don’t readily associate North Korea with democracy, but people easily associate China with communism

Do they?

Yes.
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That’s a big jump from 30%. I wonder how many would support socialism after COVID-19

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Postby Cisairse » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:09 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Do they?

Yes.
Thermodolia wrote:That’s a big jump from 30%. I wonder how many would support socialism after COVID-19

Our work is not done until it is zero.


"Our work" is an interesting thing to say for someone opposing socialism
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:13 am

Cisairse wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Yes.

Our work is not done until it is zero.


"Our work" is an interesting thing to say for someone opposing socialism

"Our" in this case being the feudal lord wannabes.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:42 am

Gormwood wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
"Our work" is an interesting thing to say for someone opposing socialism

"Our" in this case being the feudal lord wannabes.


Yes, people who respect human dignity are by default "feudal lord wannabes"
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:44 am

Cisairse wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Yes.

Our work is not done until it is zero.


"Our work" is an interesting thing to say for someone opposing socialism

>as if every act of cooperation is socialism
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Cisairse wrote:
"Our work" is an interesting thing to say for someone opposing socialism

"Our" in this case being the feudal lord wannabes.

Since when are you a socialist?
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:44 am

Telconi wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"Our" in this case being the feudal lord wannabes.


Yes, people who respect human dignity are by default "feudal lord wannabes"


Supporting slavery is being respectful of human dignity?

Interesting.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:45 am

Cisairse wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes, people who respect human dignity are by default "feudal lord wannabes"


Supporting slavery is being respectful of human dignity?

Interesting.


No, I was referring to the people against socialism.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:45 am

Cisairse wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do know what a hypothetical is right? It doesn’t mean 100% truth.

Also this all began because I said Clyburn has considerable influence in the Biden campaign, that he’s the reason Biden won SC by a lot and thus the nomination.


Biden's overall share of the vote was in-line with 538's prediction, which had maintained its prediction at similar values since before Clyburn's endorsement.


These guys don't care about the facts here. They're just looking for a scapegoat. It's what sore losers do.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Supporting slavery is being respectful of human dignity?

Interesting.


No, I was referring to the people against socialism.


The antebellum south was socialist?

Interesting.
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Postby Cisairse » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:13 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Cisairse wrote:
Biden's overall share of the vote was in-line with 538's prediction, which had maintained its prediction at similar values since before Clyburn's endorsement.


These guys don't care about the facts here. They're just looking for a scapegoat. It's what sore losers do.


That is quite disappointing.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:14 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No, I was referring to the people against socialism.


The antebellum south was socialist?

Interesting.


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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:02 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No, I was referring to the people against socialism.


The antebellum south was socialist?

Interesting.

Arguably yes. Herbert Spencer is rarely wrong.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:10 pm

Hate to drop the old "told you so" but we warned y'all Libs that Trump was gonna eat Biden's lunch and get him to thank him for it. Enjoy half a year more of your candidate receiving even worse destruction than this, you earned it.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:14 pm

Torrocca wrote:Hate to drop the old "told you so" but we warned y'all Libs that Trump was gonna eat Biden's lunch and get him to thank him for it. Enjoy half a year more of your candidate receiving even worse destruction than this, you earned it.

Trump is an absolute meme lord and I love it. Terrible human being, but I can see why 4chan venerates him.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:22 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Hate to drop the old "told you so" but we warned y'all Libs that Trump was gonna eat Biden's lunch and get him to thank him for it. Enjoy half a year more of your candidate receiving even worse destruction than this, you earned it.

Trump is an absolute meme lord and I love it. Terrible human being, but I can see why 4chan venerates him.


I actually agree.

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Postby Kruiven » Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:36 pm

Good read: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/us/p ... biden.html

Vote for Biden? Sanders Supporters Say It’s ‘Up in the Air’

In interviews, some of Bernie Sanders’s primary voters saw Joe Biden as a weaker candidate than Hillary Clinton. Others didn’t think he could win. Nearly all were unenthusiastic.
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Postby Tokora » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:07 pm

If Trump's recent "liberate" tweets start a riot and possibly result in the assassination of a few governors and an eventual increase of covid-19 deaths, would that harm Trump's campaign in any way. Not saying it's terribly likely, just the worst case scenario.

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