2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Ifreann]

If the word of a politician running for election was convincing all on its own then this time four years ago you would have been praising Trump's support of the LGBT community. He did, after all, say he supports them.

So what makes this particular change impossible

I have never suggested that it is impossible for Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden Junior to change his political views.

beyond you not wanting it to be true?

It's weird how when Biden says something you believe it, but when I say something you act like I've said something totally different and have secret, unexpressed motives for my statements, motives that you have somehow divined.

Honestly, you and Gormwood seem to have forgotten how to deal with people who aren't trolling you.

[Gormwood]

We're really giving Jeb! credit for what was literally the crowning achievement of the life of Ralph Nader?

You leave Ralph alone. You are forgetting the butterfly ballots and Patrick J. Buchanan candidacy!

Jeb! did have his Secretary of State Katharine Harris do most of the heavy lifting. Her career also took on a rapid downward spiral once Georgie screwed up enough. Like 2006ish.

Someone found her hidden portrait and destroyed it?

[Jerzylvania]

You leave Ralph alone. You are forgetting the butterfly ballots and Patrick J. Buchanan candidacy!

Jeb! did have his Secretary of State Katharine Harris do most of the heavy lifting. Her career also took on a rapid downward spiral once Georgie screwed up enough. Like 2006ish.

Someone found her hidden portrait and destroyed it?

It's an inconvenient truth about her.

[Vassenor]

Biden's picked up lowering the Medicare age by five years and full scale student loan forgiveness now.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Biden's picked up lowering the Medicare age by five years and full scale student loan forgiveness now.

I actually think this is a great first step at reaching out to the left, and I hope he makes a few more moves like this, including picking a running mate who is either on the left of the party, or who is at least seen as friendly to the left (Tammy Baldwin, Elizabeth Warren and Nina Turner all spring to mind). I also hope a lot of leftists start accepting that they should vote for him rather than staying home.

I have already seen some people on the left arguing that it doesn't go far enough, particularly given that Hillary suggested back in 2016 that she was considering lowering the Medicare age by 10 to 15 years, to 55 or 50 respectively (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/clinton-new-medicare-proposal/483806/). I do think there might be some more room for movement and negotiation there. I do hope it at least starts convincing voters on the left that Biden is reaching out to them, because he is far far better than Trump.

[Ors Might]

Biden's picked up lowering the Medicare age by five years and full scale student loan forgiveness now.

I actually think this is a great first step at reaching out to the left, and I hope he makes a few more moves like this, including picking a running mate who is either on the left of the party, or who is at least seen as friendly to the left (Tammy Baldwin, Elizabeth Warren and Nina Turner all spring to mind). I also hope a lot of leftists start accepting that they should vote for him over Trump.

I have already seen some people on the left arguing that it doesn't go far enough, particularly given that Hillary suggested back in 2016 that she was considering lowering the Medicare age by 10 to 15 years, to 55 or 50 respectively (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/clinton-new-medicare-proposal/483806/). I do think there might be some more room for movement and negotiation there. I do hope it at least starts convincing voters on the left that Biden is reaching out to them, because he is far far better than Trump.

Being better than Trump isn’t an especially high bar to clear. It certainly isn’t enough on it’s own to make someone worthy of being voted in.

But in all fairness, if Biden were to go even further on policies like this and denounce the policies he’s held in the past that were, to be frank, detestable, then I could see myself finding him acceptable. That’s a big “if” though, so.

[South Odreria 2]

ahahaha
Fox: (A-): Trump 42 (+2), Biden 42 (-7)

[Cisairse]

ahahaha
Fox: (A-): Trump 42 (+2), Biden 42 (-7)

Nationally?

That's really bad for both of them.

[Cisairse]

Meanwhile, a majority of Americans disapprove of Donald Trump for the first time since March 24.

[New Socialist South Africa]

I actually think this is a great first step at reaching out to the left, and I hope he makes a few more moves like this, including picking a running mate who is either on the left of the party, or who is at least seen as friendly to the left (Tammy Baldwin, Elizabeth Warren and Nina Turner all spring to mind). I also hope a lot of leftists start accepting that they should vote for him over Trump.

I have already seen some people on the left arguing that it doesn't go far enough, particularly given that Hillary suggested back in 2016 that she was considering lowering the Medicare age by 10 to 15 years, to 55 or 50 respectively (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/clinton-new-medicare-proposal/483806/). I do think there might be some more room for movement and negotiation there. I do hope it at least starts convincing voters on the left that Biden is reaching out to them, because he is far far better than Trump.

Being better than Trump isn’t an especially high bar to clear. It certainly isn’t enough on it’s own to make someone worthy of being voted in.

But in all fairness, if Biden were to go even further on policies like this and denounce the policies he’s held in the past that were, to be frank, detestable, then I could see myself finding him acceptable. That’s a big “if” though, so.

Fair enough. Which policies in particular are you hoping that he denounces?

[South Odreria 2]

Fair enough. Which policies in particular are you hoping that he denounces?

Allowing white people to exist

[Cisairse]

Fair enough. Which policies in particular are you hoping that he denounces?

Allowing white people to exist

Joe Biden's original sin

[New Socialist South Africa]

Fair enough. Which policies in particular are you hoping that he denounces?

Allowing white people to exist

I mean I think that's a policy shift we can all get behind. I'm sure Joe will apologise for his stance on that any day now.

[Zurkerx]

Biden's picked up lowering the Medicare age by five years and full scale student loan forgiveness now.

I actually think this is a great first step at reaching out to the left, and I hope he makes a few more moves like this, including picking a running mate who is either on the left of the party, or who is at least seen as friendly to the left (Tammy Baldwin, Elizabeth Warren and Nina Turner all spring to mind). I also hope a lot of leftists start accepting that they should vote for him rather than staying home.

I have already seen some people on the left arguing that it doesn't go far enough, particularly given that Hillary suggested back in 2016 that she was considering lowering the Medicare age by 10 to 15 years, to 55 or 50 respectively (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/clinton-new-medicare-proposal/483806/). I do think there might be some more room for movement and negotiation there. I do hope it at least starts convincing voters on the left that Biden is reaching out to them, because he is far far better than Trump.

They are good first steps but it won't be enough for some though this should be clear: he's at least trying to reach out to said groups. What will get some of the "die-hards" to ever back Biden is he either embraces their full agenda and or picks a running mate that fits their mold, the latter of which is not going to happen. However, Biden adopting some policy positions could be enough.

ahahaha
Fox: (A-): Trump 42 (+2), Biden 42 (-7)

Nationally?

That's really bad for both of them.

I seriously don't take polls that have low numbers like that seriously, especially Ipsos' polls. It really all depends on who they poll since that Fox Poll also had Trump's approval and disapproval at 49%; everyone else had it in the low 40s for approval.

Meanwhile, a majority of Americans disapprove of Donald Trump for the first time since March 24.

Expected given his bump is fading and the fact more people are learning his response is well, not so great...

[Northern Davincia]

Then where does this satisfaction derive from which removes all doubt from your mind?

This sentence is gibberish, please reset and try again.

I think you know what I mean when I ask what convinced you that Trump is a rapist.

[Galloism]

Biden's picked up lowering the Medicare age by five years and full scale student loan forgiveness now.

Ah, the "fuck gallo" plan.

The second plan calls for the forgiveness of federal undergraduate student debt for those making under $125,000. The forgiveness would apply to tuition-related expenses for public colleges and universities as well as private institutions primarily serving minority populations.

No forgiveness for Gallo.

[Northern Davincia]

That is a different question from what you were asking before. McAfee has no plan for dealing with the pandemic, but his presidency would dismantle the federal government as we know it. The pandemic drives future distrust for the government.

You didn't answer that question either. McAfee isn't going to be elected POTUS.

My answer to the first question is that McAfee doesn't have a plan. I prefer him to be in charge because he is a force of destruction, like Trump, but wittier.

[South Odreria 2]

https://medium.com/@srwm1138/im-a-berni ... a47bbf4d52

This is required reading. If you still don't understand afterwards, you're the problem.

[Ors Might]

Being better than Trump isn’t an especially high bar to clear. It certainly isn’t enough on it’s own to make someone worthy of being voted in.

But in all fairness, if Biden were to go even further on policies like this and denounce the policies he’s held in the past that were, to be frank, detestable, then I could see myself finding him acceptable. That’s a big “if” though, so.

Fair enough. Which policies in particular are you hoping that he denounces?

Other posters have gone into detail on this before but the main ones for me are

1. His troubling positions on responding to sexual assault allegations as illustrated in the Dear Colleague letter he had a hand in writing. While it is a good general rule to treat those coming forward with accusations with compassion and understanding, there’s a difference between not being dismissive of accusations and believing accusations regardless of how few details seem to be adding up. The latter is what Biden has argued for in the letter.

2. His gun control policies. I’m going to be honest, I am not in anyway a fan of gun control. While I doubt anyone could roll infringements back completely, I could accept Biden denouncing creating any further infringements. Otherwise he and I just aren’t going to be compatible on this issue.

3. Biden is at best partially complicit in the drone strikes that characterized a significant part of Obama’s administration. While yes he has indicated more restraint in this than Obama did (the interview where this happened escapes me), I would like to see a Biden more committed to lowering the amount of conflicts my nation has a hand in.

[Cisairse]

You didn't answer that question either. McAfee isn't going to be elected POTUS.

My answer to the first question is that McAfee doesn't have a plan. I prefer him to be in charge because he is a force of destruction, like Trump, but wittier.

Force of destruction? I'm pretty sure McAfee's entire plan for his presidency is to just pardon himself and then resign.

[Vassenor]

https://medium.com/@srwm1138/im-a-bernie-volunteer-here-s-how-joe-biden-can-win-bernie-voters-6da47bbf4d52

This is required reading. If you still don't understand afterwards, you're the problem.

"You can't convince us so don't try and the fact that Biden didn't wither and die on Super Tuesday like we predicted is proof that the primary was rigged" is a hell of a take.

[South Odreria 2]

https://medium.com/@srwm1138/im-a-bernie-volunteer-here-s-how-joe-biden-can-win-bernie-voters-6da47bbf4d52

This is required reading. If you still don't understand afterwards, you're the problem.

"You can't convince us so don't try and the fact that Biden didn't wither and die on Super Tuesday like we predicted is proof that the primary was rigged" is a hell of a take.

No need to post this, we already knew you were the problem.

[Northern Davincia]

My answer to the first question is that McAfee doesn't have a plan. I prefer him to be in charge because he is a force of destruction, like Trump, but wittier.

Force of destruction? I'm pretty sure McAfee's entire plan for his presidency is to just pardon himself and then resign.

After gutting the NSA and other federal monstrosities, yes.

[Vassenor]

"You can't convince us so don't try and the fact that Biden didn't wither and die on Super Tuesday like we predicted is proof that the primary was rigged" is a hell of a take.

No need to post this, we already knew you were the problem.

-eyeroll-

Shit like this is why Bernie supporters get a bad rap.

[South Odreria 2]

No need to post this, we already knew you were the problem.

-eyeroll-

Shit like this is why Bernie supporters get a bad rap.

Enjoy Trump.