2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Cisairse]

And now people are acting like his not securing the nomination has killed progressive politics forever. Because basically what hes taught us is that activism means nothing and small steps toward progress are worthless. Literally none of the big social change movements happened overnight but apparently this was totally going to be different somehow.

That's not the pessimistic mood I've been getting. More like "We can do this but not before climate change screws us over. "

And yet to bernie bros $3 trillion isn't enough to fight climate change but only since Bernie arbitrary decided to pitch a higher number once mainstream dems decided on the $3T number.

[Ngelmish]

Clinton ended up running, authentically given her record, to Sanders' left on both immigration and guns, yes, but, prior to that point O'Malley had outflanked him on guns, immigration, green renovation, and arguably (depending on how much one cares about concrete numbers) things like tax structure, the revolving door of lobbyism, etc. In 2020 it's fair to say that Gabbard, Warren and Castro all managed to creatively get to Sanders' left on different issues at different times.

I was trying to say his past record on immigration might actually be more left than what you're saying.
The logic he used to oppose that one vote is more rooted in leftist criticism on how capitalism exploits immigrant labor than anything else. It's shit Corbinites say.

I'd be more sympathetic to claiming that coherency if his immigration platform in 2020, by comparison, hadn't run so far in the direction of human rights foreign policy goals while sidestepping his long standing protectionist comments -- to me, that looks more like political calculation (which can be good!) than sincere evolution. Or integration, I suppose, if that's the word.

Clinton ended up running, authentically given her record, to Sanders' left on both immigration and guns, yes, but, prior to that point O'Malley had outflanked him on guns, immigration, green renovation, and arguably (depending on how much one cares about concrete numbers) things like tax structure, the revolving door of lobbyism, etc. In 2020 it's fair to say that Gabbard, Warren and Castro all managed to creatively get to Sanders' left on different issues at different times.

On certain policies, like guns, immigration and tax structure, I hear you. I'd see some of those as more culturally liberal (particularly in a US sense) than economically left, but fair enough.

I'm open to describing it as cultural liberalism, but either way, my point is that despite the reputation Sanders' has cultivated as a policy and ideas candidate, when you delve into the details, other candidates have comprehensively gone further than he is. He's not the left policy candidate, he's the left identity candidate. Which, gloomily enough from my perspective, probably explains a lot about why he caught on so much.

[New Socialist South Africa]

On certain policies, like guns, immigration and tax structure, I hear you. I'd see some of those as more culturally liberal (particularly in a US sense) than economically left, but fair enough.

I'm open to describing it as cultural liberalism, but either way, my point is that despite the reputation Sanders' has cultivated as a policy and ideas candidate, when you delve into the details, other candidates have comprehensively gone further than he is. He's not the left policy candidate, he's the left identity candidate. Which, gloomily enough from my perspective, probably explains a lot about why he caught on so much.

I do hear what you are saying, but on a lot of issues he was the left policy candidate. On healthcare, public college and student loan forgiveness we was more to the left than any other candidate. There were issues where other candidates were more to the left of him, or were more socially liberal than him, and I actually do wish he had embraced some policies such as decriminalising the use of all drugs (in order to help people cope with their addictions), and I wish he had supported Universal Basic Income.

I do think some people supported him because they saw him as the "left" candidate. I personally liked him because I agreed with more of his policies than any of the other candidates. I think a lot of other people also liked the fact that he had been fighting for a lot of these policies for a very long time, long before they were even close to mainstream, and that made it quite clear that he genuinely believed in those core social democratic economic policies. The image was part of it, but I'm not sure if it was the biggest reason.

[Ifreann]

No it's pretty much unproven claims that you're only jerking about because so feel it's self-evidently correct.

But clearly it's proven that Biden is a rapist right?

It's clearly proven that Trump is a rapist?

[Valrifell]

But clearly it's proven that Biden is a rapist right?

It's clearly proven that Trump is a rapist?

There's more substantiating the claims, sure. Nothing really definitive, though.

Also,
Defending Trump to own Gauth.

[Aureumterra]

Diagonal compass unity at last!

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 124737002/

So apparently Trump just commercialized the solar system, whatever the hell that means.

[Northern Davincia]

It's clearly proven that Trump is a rapist?

There's more substantiating the claims, sure. Nothing really definitive, though.

Also,
Defending Trump to own Gauth.

Defending Trump makes our skin crawl, but it is, from time to time, a necessary task.

[Aureumterra]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/09/mining-moon-trump-order-calls-commercializing-solar-system/5124737002/

So apparently Trump just commercialized the solar system, whatever the hell that means.

Basically he did to the Solar System what King James did to the New World

You can go and extract resources and gain capital from extraterrestrial bodies, I love me some interplanetary capitalism

[Telconi]

Defending Trump to own Gauth.

Truly a noble goal, regardless of the cost.

[Ifreann]

It's clearly proven that Trump is a rapist?

There's more substantiating the claims, sure. Nothing really definitive, though.

Is there? His ex-wife said he raped her, he said he didn't. But no one believes him.

Also,
Defending Trump to own Gauth.

Excuse me?

[Tinhampton]

You lot need $250,000,000,000 for small biz and you need it NOW... the good people of Maryland need to vote Ben Cardin out at the next opportunity

Since USA Today has opted not to make Rojava's article available on their shitty-ass European Experience website, here's the "Commercialise the Solar System" executive order

[Uiiop]

There's more substantiating the claims, sure. Nothing really definitive, though.

Is there? His ex-wife said he raped her, he said he didn't. But no one believes him.

Also,
Defending Trump to own Gauth.

Excuse me?

By pointing this double standard it must be at least possible you're arguing trump is innocent on this. /s

I miss the faceplam smiley.

[Gormwood]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/09/mining-moon-trump-order-calls-commercializing-solar-system/5124737002/

So apparently Trump just commercialized the solar system, whatever the hell that means.

Uncovering and waking up things man was not meant to know FOR PROFIT!

[Northern Davincia]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/09/mining-moon-trump-order-calls-commercializing-solar-system/5124737002/

So apparently Trump just commercialized the solar system, whatever the hell that means.

Uncovering and waking up things man was not meant to know FOR PROFIT!

This is your weakest criticism so far. Space profiteering will be extremely beneficial for all involved.

[Cisairse]

I'm imagining a reworking of Childhood's End where the aliens arrive and try to enlighten humanity but get absolutely ripped to shreds by McDonald's's McNuke production plant built after they purchased Saturn

[Gormwood]

I'm imagining a reworking of Childhood's End where the aliens arrive and try to enlighten humanity but get absolutely ripped to shreds by McDonald's's McNuke production plant built after they purchased Saturn

Dead Space where the corporations try to find a way to use Necromorphs as free labor.

[Northern Davincia]

I'm imagining a reworking of Childhood's End where the aliens arrive and try to enlighten humanity but get absolutely ripped to shreds by McDonald's's McNuke production plant built after they purchased Saturn

I could not think of a happier ending.

[Gormwood]

I'm imagining a reworking of Childhood's End where the aliens arrive and try to enlighten humanity but get absolutely ripped to shreds by McDonald's's McNuke production plant built after they purchased Saturn

I could not think of a happier ending.

An act of war against a civilization with possibly superior technology decades if not centuries ahead of us. That'll end well.

[Cisairse]

I'm imagining a reworking of Childhood's End where the aliens arrive and try to enlighten humanity but get absolutely ripped to shreds by McDonald's's McNuke production plant built after they purchased Saturn

Dead Space where the corporations try to find a way to use Necromorphs as free labor.

2001: A Space Odyssey except Alibaba hacks the monolith to bits and sells little chunks of it for $50 a pop.

[Cisairse]

I could not think of a happier ending.

An act of war against a civilization with possibly superior technology decades if not centuries ahead of us. That'll end well.

I'd like to see them go toe-to-toe with Wal-Mart and try to win

[San Lumen]

I'm imagining a reworking of Childhood's End where the aliens arrive and try to enlighten humanity but get absolutely ripped to shreds by McDonald's's McNuke production plant built after they purchased Saturn

I remember that book and the film adaption. Hated the ending. I like your version better.

[Gormwood]

An act of war against a civilization with possibly superior technology decades if not centuries ahead of us. That'll end well.

I'd like to see them go toe-to-toe with Wal-Mart and try to win

Alien civilization, not a small business.

[Telconi]

I could not think of a happier ending.

An act of war against a civilization with possibly superior technology decades if not centuries ahead of us. That'll end well.

At the rate we're going, yes, it would.

[San Lumen]

An act of war against a civilization with possibly superior technology decades if not centuries ahead of us. That'll end well.

At the rate we're going, yes, it would.

If aliens have the means to get here they have technology far more advanced than us and a war against them would be fruitless effort they maybe we'd get luck and it would end like Independence Day.