2020 US General Election Thread VI: Covid for VP!

[Gormwood]

She got friends who she told around the time it happened saying so and claims she filed a report.

Funny how Bernie Bros didn't believe this made allegations credible back in January, but suddenly do now.

Now that their chosen one has been once again Cheated By A DNC Rigged Primary they'll happily reach for any toy to throw out of the crib.

[Galloism]

Can we talk about the fact that most supposedly "respectable" media sites just aren't talking about Tara Reade's allegations that Joe Biden sexually assaulted her back in 1993?

See: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/
https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/tara-to-post

I get that COVID-19 is important to report on, I get that it would dominate the news, but really, I can find nothing from CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, the Washington Post, any of them.

Maybe they are just a bit slow on taking this up, but I can't help but worry that some journalists might be tempted to not report on this, out of fear that it might hurt Biden (who by now will almost certainly be the Democratic nominee), and thus help Trump.

This seems like this should at least be news people take seriously, but I'm not seeing anything from news sites I can't help but suspect would be reporting on this out if this was [yet another] credible sexual assault allegation against Trump.

This is the kind of thing that should be investigated, or at the very least talked about. Instead, as of now, it seems to be being brushed under the carpet. I've already seen Biden supporters dismissing this a Russian hoax, even though the accuser is a Democrat, and the accusations are credible. There would need to be an investigation or trial, or something, and Biden shouldn't just be declared certified sexual assaulter without that. But this allegation can't just be dismissed or ignored, that would be shameful.

So what is the evidence in her favour?

#BelieveWomen

[Gormwood]

So what is the evidence in her favour?

#BelieveWomen

MRA suddenly believes the word of a woman because it hurts the electoral chance of someone he doesn't like. Pikachu Face.

[Hakons]

#BelieveWomen

MRA suddenly believes the word of a woman because it hurts the electoral chance of someone he doesn't like. Pikachu Face.

I don't think he believes the accusation, he's just showing the prevailing liberal standard on rape accusations is increasingly absurd and unworkable.

[Galloism]

#BelieveWomen

MRA suddenly believes the word of a woman because it hurts the electoral chance of someone he doesn't like. Pikachu Face.

You really need to pick up on using sarcasm to point out hypocrisy.

[Galloism]

MRA suddenly believes the word of a woman because it hurts the electoral chance of someone he doesn't like. Pikachu Face.

I don't think he believes the accusation, he's just showing the prevailing liberal standard on rape accusations is increasingly absurd and unworkable.

I neither believe nor disbelieve without something called evidence. You know, that thing investigators collect. Record in a folder. Lawyers present to a jury. That kind of thing?

[Thermodolia]

I don't think he believes the accusation, he's just showing the prevailing liberal standard on rape accusations is increasingly absurd and unworkable.

I neither believe nor disbelieve without something called evidence. You know, that thing investigators collect. Record in a folder. Lawyers present to a jury. That kind of thing?

Evidence? Get your evidence out of here! The court of public opinion has already decided your fate

[Cisairse]

So from googling "Joe Biden sexual assault" and "Joe Biden Tara Reade" I'm seeing a bunch of sites including Huffington Post, Vox, Newsweek, and Fox News have articles about this accusation. However, nothing on this so far from CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post; basically all the major pro-Democratic establishment media companies. Are they actually gonna talk about this or are they gonna continue ignoring it because Biden's the Democratic frontrunner? Multiple progressive media sites have been talking about this for a couple days now, but we're supposed to believe the mainstream media is more trustworthy while they ignore this issue because it might hurt their preferred Democratic candidate. I guarantee that if someone had accused Sanders of sexual assault the mainstream media would be all over it and calling for him to drop out immediately.

WSJ isn't reporting it either.

It's almost like newspapers of record don't report on uncorroborated allegations and tweets.

[Gormwood]

Will not be a shock when the same Republicans who put Christine Blasey Ford through the Spanish Inquisition for daring to try sabotage Kavanaugh's nomination suddenly say we need to take Tara Read at her word and disqualify Biden.

[Hakons]

So from googling "Joe Biden sexual assault" and "Joe Biden Tara Reade" I'm seeing a bunch of sites including Huffington Post, Vox, Newsweek, and Fox News have articles about this accusation. However, nothing on this so far from CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post; basically all the major pro-Democratic establishment media companies. Are they actually gonna talk about this or are they gonna continue ignoring it because Biden's the Democratic frontrunner? Multiple progressive media sites have been talking about this for a couple days now, but we're supposed to believe the mainstream media is more trustworthy while they ignore this issue because it might hurt their preferred Democratic candidate. I guarantee that if someone had accused Sanders of sexual assault the mainstream media would be all over it and calling for him to drop out immediately.

WSJ isn't reporting it either.

It's almost like newspapers of record don't report on uncorroborated allegations and tweets.

Unless you're a conservative nominated to the Supreme Court, of course.

[Gormwood]

WSJ isn't reporting it either.

It's almost like newspapers of record don't report on uncorroborated allegations and tweets.

Unless you're a conservative nominated to the Supreme Court, of course.

WSJ turned liberal when?

[Galloism]

Will not be a shock when the same Republicans who put Christine Blasey Ford through the Spanish Inquisition for daring to try sabotage Kavanaugh's nomination suddenly say we need to take Tara Read at her word and disqualify Biden.

Well, they have some words from Biden to consider -

“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time,”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... en-accuser

The question is, should Joe Biden be held to the standards of justice, or to the standards Joe Biden has pushed for?

[Hakons]

Will not be a shock when the same Republicans who put Christine Blasey Ford through the Spanish Inquisition for daring to try sabotage Kavanaugh's nomination suddenly say we need to take Tara Read at her word and disqualify Biden.

There are many hypocritical positions, indeed, but surely you see how your position during the Kavanaugh saga makes this point a bit ironic?

Unless credible evidence is asserted, this accusation seems politically motivated.

[Gormwood]

Will not be a shock when the same Republicans who put Christine Blasey Ford through the Spanish Inquisition for daring to try sabotage Kavanaugh's nomination suddenly say we need to take Tara Read at her word and disqualify Biden.

Well, they have some words from Biden to consider -

“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time,”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... en-accuser

The question is, should Joe Biden be held to the standards of justice, or to the standards Joe Biden has pushed for?

It's like Bill Clinton. They couldn't get him on corruption so they resort to digging up a woman.

Even if Biden turns out innocent like I presume, the circus around the investigation is all the short-sighted public will focus on and that's what the Trumpublicans are shooting for.

[Hakons]

Unless you're a conservative nominated to the Supreme Court, of course.

WSJ turned liberal when?

Not WSJ, but WaPo and New York Times come to mind

[Cisairse]

WSJ isn't reporting it either.

It's almost like newspapers of record don't report on uncorroborated allegations and tweets.

Unless you're a conservative nominated to the Supreme Court, of course.

CBF's claims were the subject of an actual investigation. Print news media reported on the claims that were subject to investigation, which I fully expect them to do if and when Ms. Reade's claims become subject to an investigation.

WSJ turned liberal when?

Not WSJ, but WaPo and New York Times come to mind

In that case, how do you explain that WSJ hasn't reported on Ms. Reade's claims either? WSJ is the standard-bearer conservative-interest newspaper of record.

[Gormwood]

Unless you're a conservative nominated to the Supreme Court, of course.

CBF's claims were the subject of an actual investigation. Print news media reported on the claims that were subject to investigation, which I fully expect them to do if and when Ms. Reade's claims become subject to an investigation.

And unlike the hamstrung rushjob of the Kavanaugh investigation, the one on Biden will of course be lengthy and detailed, all the better to help the party in power.

[Galloism]

Well, they have some words from Biden to consider -

“For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time,”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... en-accuser

The question is, should Joe Biden be held to the standards of justice, or to the standards Joe Biden has pushed for?

It's like Bill Clinton. They couldn't get him on corruption so they resort to digging up a woman.

Even if Biden turns out innocent like I presume, the circus around the investigation is all the short-sighted public will focus on and that's what the Trumpublicans are shooting for.

Maybe Biden should have considered that prior to digging his own grave with his own words.

Problem is, Biden is very sexist against men - but think he’ll be the exception that discrimination, and it will never be used against him. Well, politics is a dirty business, so even if what you infer is true - this democratic staffer is now republican controlled - the blanket sexism of believe women and disregard men based on sex is coming home.

It’s actually at this time I would encourage restraint, evidence, and justice - we need it as a society. But Biden didn’t want that.

Except now. For himself.

[Cisairse]

It's like Bill Clinton. They couldn't get him on corruption so they resort to digging up a woman.

Even if Biden turns out innocent like I presume, the circus around the investigation is all the short-sighted public will focus on and that's what the Trumpublicans are shooting for.

Maybe Biden should have considered that prior to digging his own grave with his own words.

Problem is, Biden is very sexist against men - but think he’ll be the exception that discrimination, and it will never be used against him. Well, politics is a dirty business, so even if what you infer is true - this democratic staffer is now republican controlled - the blanket sexism of believe women and disregard men based on sex is coming home.

It’s actually at this time I would encourage restraint, evidence, and justice - we need it as a society. But Biden didn’t want that.

Except now. For himself.

bazinga

[Gormwood]

It's like Bill Clinton. They couldn't get him on corruption so they resort to digging up a woman.

Even if Biden turns out innocent like I presume, the circus around the investigation is all the short-sighted public will focus on and that's what the Trumpublicans are shooting for.

Maybe Biden should have considered that prior to digging his own grave with his own words.

Problem is, Biden is very sexist against men - but think he’ll be the exception that discrimination, and it will never be used against him. Well, politics is a dirty business, so even if what you infer is true - this democratic staffer is now republican controlled - the blanket sexism of believe women and disregard men based on sex is coming home.

It’s actually at this time I would encourage restraint, evidence, and justice - we need it as a society. But Biden didn’t want that.

Except now. For himself.

And there's the obligatory MRA tirade against gender treachery. Will the Biden investigation be just as limited in scope as the one on Kavanaugh? I bet not.

[Galloism]

Maybe Biden should have considered that prior to digging his own grave with his own words.

Problem is, Biden is very sexist against men - but think he’ll be the exception that discrimination, and it will never be used against him. Well, politics is a dirty business, so even if what you infer is true - this democratic staffer is now republican controlled - the blanket sexism of believe women and disregard men based on sex is coming home.

It’s actually at this time I would encourage restraint, evidence, and justice - we need it as a society. But Biden didn’t want that.

Except now. For himself.

And there's the obligatory MRA tirade against gender treachery.

It’s a tirade against openly sexist politicians. I did so for Trump, and I will continue to do so for Biden.

Those who do not on the basis of who is being talked about are either blind partisans or deeply sexist and, in either case, are wrong in fact and wrong for society. They cannot process evidence or make logical conclusions due to their blind partisanship or sexism, have nothing of value to say, and will gleefully drive society into the ditch by refusing to look at the lane markings.

[Vassenor]

So what is the evidence in her favour?

#BelieveWomen

Sorry, was there a point you were trying to make here, or are you just desperately searching for anything that even vaguely resembles hypocrisy in the hopes of a NO U?

[Galloism]

#BelieveWomen

Sorry, was there a point you were trying to make here, or are you just desperately searching for anything that even vaguely resembles hypocrisy in the hopes of a NO U?

You told me it was important. Do you no longer believe that?

[Vassenor]

Sorry, was there a point you were trying to make here, or are you just desperately searching for anything that even vaguely resembles hypocrisy in the hopes of a NO U?

You told me it was important. Do you no longer believe that?

And now you're throwing out non-sequitur statements because you got caught out.

[Galloism]

You told me it was important. Do you no longer believe that?

And now you're throwing out non-sequitur statements because you got caught out.

Vass, there’s a lot of hypocrisy here - from Gauth, from you, from Joe Biden, and a lot of others. All you have to do is compare the reactions to the revelations regarding Kavanaugh (before we had an actual investigation) with the reactions of people regarding Biden today.

It was used as proof of guilt that Ford told a few people over the years before going public.
Well, so did Reade, but that’s now not proof of anything.
It was asserted that there is no reason for a woman like Ford to ever lie about this.
Well, Reade is a woman too.
There were multiple other reports of disturbing sexual behavior out of Kavanaugh, which was used as proof.
Well, those same accounts exist for Joe Biden.

You have to ask yourself why you instantly presumed Kavanaugh’s guilt based on these things, but are now studiously asking for evidence and proofs for Biden.

I’m happy you’re doing that for Biden, don’t get me wrong, but it should be the standard for everyone, not just everyone with a (D) after their name.