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North Macedonia Officially Becomes 30th Member of NATO

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:47 am
by The Greater Ohio Valley
Spaghetti Sauce

(Bloomberg) -- The North Atlantic Treaty Organization bolstered its foothold in the politically volatile Balkans region on Friday when North Macedonia became the alliance’s 30th member.

“Your accession will bring more stability to the western Balkans,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said in an emailed statement in Brussels. “This is good for the region and for Euro-Atlantic security.”

Joining the U.S.-dominated defense alliance marks the second big geopolitical success this week for North Macedonia, a landlocked country that gained independence in 1991 as Yugoslavia broke apart. On Tuesday, European Union governments unblocked the nation’s path to membership of their vast trading bloc after overcoming a French veto.

North Macedonia, which has a population of about 2 million, is a prize for NATO because of the West’s rivalry with Moscow for influence in the Balkans, long a region within Russia’s geopolitical orbit.

Three decades after the Cold War ended, western governments are focusing again on threats posed by Moscow as a result of its renewed muscle-flexing, including encroachment in Ukraine where Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. NATO’s other western Balkan members are Albania, Croatia, Montenegro and Slovenia.

NATO members signed North Macedonia’s accession protocol in early 2019, shortly after the country reached a hard-fought accord with Greece on a name change. The alliance then had to wait for domestic ratification by all members, with Spain completing the process last week.


The ratification process is over and North Macedonia has officially assented into NATO membership after Spain's recent vote of approval. I personally feel a bit indifferent over this, though I hope this is a step in the right direction to help curb Russian influence and improve regional security, but who knows how this will turn out though since the alliance still has other work to do in order to improve its readiness. What say you, NSG?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:29 pm
by The Rich Port
Maybe Europe can take over for itself ever since Trump did the big brain move of letting Russia exert it's homophobic insecurity over the entirety of the Old World.

I'll give the fool some credit on one point: Europe should build up it's military. An armed and trained democracy is a secure and disciplined democracy, bolstered against tyranny.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:56 pm
by Auze
It's about time. Welcome to the club, FYROM (I mean-- RONM).

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:40 pm
by US-SSR
Good news. What's the over/under on how soon Trump calls looking for dirt on Hunter Biden?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:41 pm
by The Rich Port
US-SSR wrote:Good news. What's the over/under on how soon Trump calls looking for dirt on Hunter Biden?


Eh, low, 5:3

On the other hand, the over-under on him saying he's fallen in love with the conservative leader of Macedonia is 10:5.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:42 pm
by Mandicoria
BRO THEY AIN'T EVEN IN THE ATLANTIC. Highly upsetting.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:43 pm
by Valentian Elysium
Congratulations North Macedonia! At long last, welcome to NATO

And now the number is a nice round 30

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:43 pm
by Valrifell
Mandicoria wrote:BRO THEY AIN'T EVEN IN THE ATLANTIC. Highly upsetting.


Eh, it's their closest ocean. Good enough!

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:54 pm
by LRON
It would have been better to nab Serbia instead. Taking North Macedonia doesn't really mean all that much.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:55 pm
by The New California Republic
North Macedonia has a hodgepodge of Eastern and Western equipment that is a legacy of Soviet and post-Soviet times. It makes me wonder if there is now going to be a push to Westernize its equipment even more. For example its entire tank force is comprised of the T-72, while their AFVs are a mix of Eastern and Western equipment.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:00 pm
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia
LRON wrote:It would have been better to nab Serbia instead. Taking North Macedonia doesn't really mean all that much.

Serbia is now a de-facto pro-Russian dictatorship under the autocratic rule of Aleksandar Vučić, so I doubt NATO will manage to get 'em unless Vučić is ousted in a revolution.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:18 pm
by Chan Island
Welcome to the gang! Always nice to have another friend onside if shit hits the fan! :)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:24 pm
by Serbia-Macedonia
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:25 pm
by San Lumen
Fantastic. Another ally against Russia. It is on my list of places to visit one day.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:28 pm
by Sao Nova Europa
As a Greek I cannot say I am excited about that but, nevertheless, welcome to the club FYROM! :)

Hopefully we can have closer ties and improve our relations.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:58 pm
by Agarntrop
Sao Nova Europa wrote:As a Greek I cannot say I am excited about that but, nevertheless, welcome to the club FYROM! :)

Hopefully we can have closer ties and improve our relations.

Nice to see some Greeks can see past a rather stupid petty jingoistic naming dispute.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:01 pm
by Heloin
The New California Republic wrote:North Macedonia has a hodgepodge of Eastern and Western equipment that is a legacy of Soviet and post-Soviet times. It makes me wonder if there is now going to be a push to Westernize its equipment even more. For example its entire tank force is comprised of the T-72, while their AFVs are a mix of Eastern and Western equipment.

NATO standard MiGs.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:03 pm
by Cisairse
Wonderful.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:12 pm
by The New California Republic
Heloin wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:North Macedonia has a hodgepodge of Eastern and Western equipment that is a legacy of Soviet and post-Soviet times. It makes me wonder if there is now going to be a push to Westernize its equipment even more. For example its entire tank force is comprised of the T-72, while their AFVs are a mix of Eastern and Western equipment.

NATO standard MiGs.

I honestly think that the different equipment may cause issues in the future, hence they may be encouraged to shift to Western equipment. It's mainly about the security issues of integrating legacy Soviet equipment into the NATO C3 structure, since the Russians are more aware of how such legacy equipment operates and its vulnerabilities. For example a NATO country (I think it was the Czechs) recently wanted to use its Tin Shield radars in a NATO exercise. But NATO refused, because of the potential security issues of integrating former Soviet tech into NATO systems.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:15 pm
by Novus America
LRON wrote:It would have been better to nab Serbia instead. Taking North Macedonia doesn't really mean all that much.


Serbia is not really likely any time soon. Much of Serbian society is very much anti NATO.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:17 pm
by Cekoviu
Dope.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:23 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite
Valentian Elysium wrote:Congratulations North Macedonia! At long last, welcome to NATO

And now the number is a nice round 30


I hope a certain Middle Eastern dictator gets the boot and the number drops back down to 29.

Probably a long shot but one can always hope.

Agarntrop wrote:
Sao Nova Europa wrote:As a Greek I cannot say I am excited about that but, nevertheless, welcome to the club FYROM! :)

Hopefully we can have closer ties and improve our relations.

Nice to see some Greeks can see past a rather stupid petty jingoistic naming dispute.


North Macedonia literally practices historical revisionism by stealing Greek culture and claiming it as their own. According to them, Ancient Macedon was a Slavic Kingdom and the Macedonian Slavs are directly descended from Alexander the Great despite the fact that literally nobody knew what the fuck a Slav was back then because they didn't even properly exist.

Honestly, I can understand being upset about a neighboring nation claiming your ancestral legacy as their own and claiming you're the one who stole it instead.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:25 pm
by Novus America
The Rich Port wrote:Maybe Europe can take over for itself ever since Trump did the big brain move of letting Russia exert it's homophobic insecurity over the entirety of the Old World.

I'll give the fool some credit on one point: Europe should build up it's military. An armed and trained democracy is a secure and disciplined democracy, bolstered against tyranny.


We should return NATO to its Cold War structure but with a major twist. The SACEUR should be European and ideally the highest ranking EU military officer (should they come from a NATO country which would be most cases) Having it in two commands again, and Atlantic Command (which should cover US, Canada, Iceland and the UK, plus maybe Norway) and a European Command, but with an emphasis on the European command being more self sufficient, at least in tactical aircraft, ground forces and coastal defense vessels. The US can still cover things like blue water ships, strategic aircraft and the like, but the Europeans can and should raise sufficient ground, air and naval forces for there own self defense.

Atlantic Command would secure the Atlantic Ocean and sea lanes, but European Command should secure the ground, air and coastal area of well Europe.

Because the Europeans countries of NATO have 3 times the population and nearly 15 times the GDP of Russia there is no good reason why Europe cannot have a military force that is both qualitatively and quantitatively overwhelmingly superior to Russia at least on the European continent.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:26 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite
Novus America wrote:
LRON wrote:It would have been better to nab Serbia instead. Taking North Macedonia doesn't really mean all that much.


Serbia is not really likely any time soon. Much of Serbian society is very much anti NATO.


Tends to happen when you bomb somebody's country: they don't like you.

Doesn't change the fact there was an actual attempt by Serbian authorities to wage genocidal ethnic cleansing in the region though.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:32 pm
by Novus America
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Serbia is not really likely any time soon. Much of Serbian society is very much anti NATO.


Tends to happen when you bomb somebody's country: they don't like you.

Doesn't change the fact there was an actual attempt by Serbian authorities to wage genocidal ethnic cleansing in the region though.


Well true, and regardless it is still understandable why many dislike NATO, especially as most get a very one sided view of the war.