Global ramifications of the Corona Crisis

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Antibiotic resistant Y. pestis would certainly annihilate society.

Unlikely, the plague does not primarily infect humans, so it has little reason to evolve antibiotics resistance.

There have already been cases of antibiotic resistant plague.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I doubt that, since many of us experienced 9/11. That wrought some pretty big changes which haven't gone away.

I worry though about children living through this. Will they learn from it never to touch or go near another person? And some of them surely will develop phobias about touching things or people, also compulsions to wash their hands over and over.

I experienced 9/11 and it was a huge shock. Bigger than this one, since Covid came with announcement and it was slowly building up. Yet 9/11 didn had really an lasting impact on our actual lives, at least not most of us. More the kind of mental shock and before/after. This crisis is different. It affects everyone, its not something that can be - in doubt - tuned out by swapping the channel or closing the browser window.

Right. By the time it's over it will be personal for most people. I'm mostly worried not for myself, but for my elderly parents. They're both in the late 80's.

[Major-Tom]

It's only alive at the seed bank in Svalbard, right? Not sure any of us could take that absolute beast on.

Some variants of it are still showing up then and now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonic ... idemiology

How fun.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Antibiotic resistant Y. pestis would certainly annihilate society.

Bacterio-Phages are something science should finally looking into again. Right now only Poland and Georgia (the country) have some programs running with it.

Interesting, hopefully they show some good results with it.

[Australian rePublic]

No. But it will lead to significant disruptions and issues. And by significant, I mean beyond what most of us have experienced in their lifetime so far.

I doubt that, since many of us experienced 9/11. That wrought some pretty big changes which haven't gone away.

I worry though about children living through this. Will they learn from it never to touch or go near another person? And some of them surely will develop phobias about touching things or people, also compulsions to wash their hands over and over.

9/11 was Covid-19 on easy mode. 9/11 did not see millions of people locked in their houses for weeks on end. 9/11 did not see countries shut internal boarders. 9/11 did not lead to millions of unemployed persons globally with a simultaneous global economic crash. 9/11 effected on city in one country. Covid-19 is global. A law is only as valid as the ability to enforce it. People will eventually say "fuck the risk" and demand to be broken out of their homes, demand cafes and resturants to open, etc. And when that happens no law enforcement agency anywhere in the world will have the man power to do a dammed thing about it even though the disease will probably still be spreading. Combined with mass economic collapse and unemployment, and perhaps even mental health issues, we have all the ingrediants for a societal collapse

[Albrenia]

If society collapses because of people not willing to remain in lockdown, I'll be rather disappointed in my fellows.

I know it sucks to be cooped up at home all the time, but a revolution to re-open diners would destroy my faith in humanity.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

If society collapses because of people not willing to remain in lockdown, I'll be rather disappointed in my fellows.

I know it sucks to be cooped up at home all the time, but a revolution to re-open diners would destroy my faith in humanity.

I understand some people don't cook their own meals at all, but they can surely get by with frozen pre-cooked, and (as long as we're allowing cooks to come together in their place of work) deliveries of take-away.

I've known this for years, but some people are just finding out, that going out to dinner or to shop is actually really important to people's sense of self-worth. "Parading" in public, and probably an element of showing off their money, it gratifies some sense of living in a society not just a family (or other household unit) and is not easily substituted by online simulations of meeting people.

Meh, this is one of those posts that doesn't have a good ending. Forgot what I meant to say. I'll just add that home isolation must be hardest for people who live alone.

[Punainen Suomi]

Bacterio-Phages are something science should finally looking into again. Right now only Poland and Georgia (the country) have some programs running with it.

Interesting, hopefully they show some good results with it.

Do keep in mind that virotherapy cannot be used against viruses like the one that causes COVID-19, but will be effective against bacteria and potentially cancer.

[Albrenia]

I definitely get that it is a horrible state of anxiety and boredom which can wear a person down pretty quickly, but I believe we're gonna pull through on the other side of this without the end of the world or total societal collapse occurring.

People have lived through much worse, and as long as we stick together (metaphorically, not physically) we can do this too.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I definitely get that it is a horrible state of anxiety and boredom which can wear a person down pretty quickly, ...

Since you point it out, I'm feeling more anxious now than I have in a long time. I think I'll go for a jog ... pretty sure it's still legal where I am.

[Australian rePublic]

If society collapses because of people not willing to remain in lockdown, I'll be rather disappointed in my fellows.

I know it sucks to be cooped up at home all the time, but a revolution to re-open diners would destroy my faith in humanity.

I understand some people don't cook their own meals at all, but they can surely get by with frozen pre-cooked, and (as long as we're allowing cooks to come together in their place of work) deliveries of take-away.

I've known this for years, but some people are just finding out, that going out to dinner or to shop is actually really important to people's sense of self-worth. "Parading" in public, and probably an element of showing off their money, it gratifies some sense of living in a society not just a family (or other household unit) and is not easily substituted by online simulations of meeting people.

Meh, this is one of those posts that doesn't have a good ending. Forgot what I meant to say. I'll just add that home isolation must be hardest for people who live alone.

People will reopen their businesses, because the economy can't keep going on like this. Unemployed business owners will have to reopen their restaurants, cafes, pubs, massage parlours, etc. lock down or no lock down, virus or no virus. People will need to start paying/collecting rent again, lock down or no lock down, virus or no virus, banks will need to start collecting mortgages again, lock down or no lock down, virus or no virus, etc. After a certain point, it's not a matter of "I don't wanna stay at home, because I wanna go to the pub" it's a matter of "I can't stay home because I've already burnt through my savings and can't collect any more rent. If I don't open up tomorrow, we go hungry!" this will perhaps lead to an economic crash worse than the Great Depression. Then what? We're all screwed. That. plus people being locked in their homes will lead to great problems. Society is screwed. We're all screwed

I definitely get that it is a horrible state of anxiety and boredom which can wear a person down pretty quickly, but I believe we're gonna pull through on the other side of this without the end of the world or total societal collapse occurring.

People have lived through much worse, and as long as we stick together (metaphorically, not physically) we can do this too.

Until people's savings run out, until people's incomes run out, etc. When all that happens, we're all screwed

[Australian rePublic]

If society collapses because of people not willing to remain in lockdown, I'll be rather disappointed in my fellows.

I know it sucks to be cooped up at home all the time, but a revolution to re-open diners would destroy my faith in humanity.

I understand some people don't cook their own meals at all, but they can surely get by with frozen pre-cooked, and (as long as we're allowing cooks to come together in their place of work) deliveries of take-away.

I've known this for years, but some people are just finding out, that going out to dinner or to shop is actually really important to people's sense of self-worth. "Parading" in public, and probably an element of showing off their money, it gratifies some sense of living in a society not just a family (or other household unit) and is not easily substituted by online simulations of meeting people.

Meh, this is one of those posts that doesn't have a good ending. Forgot what I meant to say. I'll just add that home isolation must be hardest for people who live alone.

Considering that we already have dropkicks intentionally spitting/sneezing on food in the supermarket, do you seriously expect to retain a lockdown?

[Aclion]

I expect that the world will be a lot less tolerant of china's bullshit.

[Australian rePublic]

I expect that the world will be a lot less tolerant of china's bullshit.

Don't be so sure of that. China have already played the racism card

[Thermodolia]

No. We would need a significantly deadlier and virulent disease for that to happen.

Yeah. Humans will be damned if we give away our society for a virus that isn't even airborne.

About that

[Seangoli]

I expect that the world will be a lot less tolerant of china's bullshit.

Don't be so sure of that. China have already played the racism card

Pompeo made it pretty clear that the rest of the G7 leaders have no illysions about which one them started this mess, and indicated they are pretty fucking livid over China holding back vital information on the severity of the threat. There will be a reckoning on China when all is said and done. You don't njust blow up the world economy and go back to business as usually as though nothing happened.

And in the meantime, Chinese factories are already bemoaning that orders are getting cancelled around the world because we are dealing with their shit. So much so that they are shuttering recently reopendled factories because nobody is buying shit from them.

So there's that.

[Australian rePublic]

Don't be so sure of that. China have already played the racism card

Pompeo made it pretty clear that the rest of the G7 leaders have no illysions about which one them started this mess, and indicated they are pretty fucking livid over China holding back vital information on the severity of the threat. There will be a reckoning on China when all is said and done. You don't njust blow up the world economy and go back to business as usually as though nothing happened.

And in the meantime, Chinese factories are already bemoaning that orders are getting cancelled around the world because we are dealing with their shit. So much so that they are shuttering recently reopendled factories because nobody is buying shit from them.

So there's that.

Interesting. The sooner Xi Jinping is gone, the better

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Don't be so sure of that. China have already played the racism card

Pompeo made it pretty clear that the rest of the G7 leaders have no illysions about which one them started this mess, and indicated they are pretty fucking livid over China holding back vital information on the severity of the threat. There will be a reckoning on China when all is said and done. You don't njust blow up the world economy and go back to business as usually as though nothing happened.

Like what kind of consequences? You think a wide coalition of other nations are going to demand reparations? You think they're going to apply sanctions when China refuses to pay?

And in the meantime, Chinese factories are already bemoaning that orders are getting cancelled around the world because we are dealing with their shit. So much so that they are shuttering recently reopendled factories because nobody is buying shit from them.

So there's that.

Their trade is probably suffering more than most countries' because of ignorant assumptions about goods carrying the virus. Perhaps a bit by ethical boycott but I wouldn't count on it. Very few people put their money where their mouth is that way: China will continue to find buyers by the eternally effective method of having the lowest price.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Pompeo made it pretty clear that the rest of the G7 leaders have no illysions about which one them started this mess, and indicated they are pretty fucking livid over China holding back vital information on the severity of the threat. There will be a reckoning on China when all is said and done. You don't njust blow up the world economy and go back to business as usually as though nothing happened.

And in the meantime, Chinese factories are already bemoaning that orders are getting cancelled around the world because we are dealing with their shit. So much so that they are shuttering recently reopendled factories because nobody is buying shit from them.

So there's that.

Interesting. The sooner Xi Jinping is gone, the better

Don't wish for that. You could get someone worse.

[Australian rePublic]

Interesting. The sooner Xi Jinping is gone, the better

Don't wish for that. You could get someone worse.

True, true. Unless Taiwan takes over. Best case scanario. Wouldn't it be nice if Taiwan took over? Or split it. Taiwan gets part of China, Hong Kong gets the New Territories and Macau gets another part. 3 Chinas

[Australian rePublic]

Pompeo made it pretty clear that the rest of the G7 leaders have no illysions about which one them started this mess, and indicated they are pretty fucking livid over China holding back vital information on the severity of the threat. There will be a reckoning on China when all is said and done. You don't njust blow up the world economy and go back to business as usually as though nothing happened.

Like what kind of consequences? You think a wide coalition of other nations are going to demand reparations? You think they're going to apply sanctions when China refuses to pay?

And in the meantime, Chinese factories are already bemoaning that orders are getting cancelled around the world because we are dealing with their shit. So much so that they are shuttering recently reopendled factories because nobody is buying shit from them.

So there's that.

Their trade is probably suffering more than most countries' because of ignorant assumptions about goods carrying the virus. Perhaps a bit by ethical boycott but I wouldn't count on it. Very few people put their money where their mouth is that way: China will continue to find buyers by the eternally effective method of having the lowest price.

China isn't even that cheap anymore. China has supply chains, and I don't see them lasting

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Don't wish for that. You could get someone worse.

True, true. Unless Taiwan takes over. Best case scanario. Wouldn't it be nice if Taiwan took over? Or split it. Taiwan gets part of China, Hong Kong gets the New Territories and Macau gets another part. 3 Chinas

None of those is realistic. Taiwan and whose army?

I do expect there will be democracy in China some day, but it will be decades in the future. It may not even be possible in such a large-pop country (bearing in mind India where democracy is less than ideal) so they may have to devolve power to the provinces and form a federation. Though as the US shows us, that is less than ideal too.

[Australian rePublic]

True, true. Unless Taiwan takes over. Best case scanario. Wouldn't it be nice if Taiwan took over? Or split it. Taiwan gets part of China, Hong Kong gets the New Territories and Macau gets another part. 3 Chinas

None of those is realistic. Taiwan and whose army?

I do expect there will be democracy in China some day, but it will be decades in the future. It may not even be possible in such a large-pop country (bearing in mind India where democracy is less than ideal) so they may have to devolve power to the provinces and form a federation. Though as the US shows us, that is less than ideal too.

Flawed democracy is better than the clusterfuck they have now

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Like what kind of consequences? You think a wide coalition of other nations are going to demand reparations? You think they're going to apply sanctions when China refuses to pay?



Their trade is probably suffering more than most countries' because of ignorant assumptions about goods carrying the virus. Perhaps a bit by ethical boycott but I wouldn't count on it. Very few people put their money where their mouth is that way: China will continue to find buyers by the eternally effective method of having the lowest price.

China isn't even that cheap anymore. China has supply chains, and I don't see them lasting

While it's true that other countries like Vietnam can provide cheaper than China, there's no way they can take all of China's export markets off them. China has cheap AND high volume.

Because they're such a big exporter (with such a favorable balance of trade) China will suffer the most from what I think is happening already, which is a big drop in all world trade. But it's not ruin for them, far from it.

[Australian rePublic]

Do you think that this will kill the SJW/political correctness movement once and for all