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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:05 pm

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Albrenia wrote:I hope to Jeebus that it's not China who takes its place. A grim future indeed.


I don't think we need to worry about that. This may have been the epochal event that marks the end of China's rise.


Imagine a world with no global hegemonic power.
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:24 pm

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I don't think we need to worry about that. This may have been the epochal event that marks the end of China's rise.


Imagine a world with no global hegemonic power.


Truly a wonderful place. Not that it wouldn't happen regardless, if the US had 30 or so years in that spot after the fall of the USSR, China would at most have a decade or so before the other emerging powers are sufficiently strong enough to challenge them. Really, the period from 1990-2010 or so is an anomaly in history.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:24 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
I don't think we need to worry about that. This may have been the epochal event that marks the end of China's rise.


Imagine a world with no global hegemonic power.

Unstable and war like ?
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:26 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Imagine a world with no global hegemonic power.

Unstable and war like ?


The Cold War and post-Soviet eras haven't exactly been peace on Earth and goodwill to all men, if anything the death counts from wars and revolutions have been much higher than anything that came before.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:29 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:Unstable and war like ?


The Cold War and post-Soviet eras haven't exactly been peace on Earth and goodwill to all men, if anything the death counts from wars and revolutions have been much higher than anything that came before.


That’s simply because we are far better at killing now.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:31 pm

On one hand there's definitely a lot of safety in being under the protective shadow of the US for those of us in the West. Not sure if the world's been particularly more peaceful for the unfavoured parts of the world though.

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Postby Vetalia » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:39 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
The Cold War and post-Soviet eras haven't exactly been peace on Earth and goodwill to all men, if anything the death counts from wars and revolutions have been much higher than anything that came before.


That’s simply because we are far better at killing now.


Not really, most of the deaths caused by war and revolution in the post-WWII era were achieved by very primitive means no more advanced than those back in the era of a multipolar world.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:11 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
That’s simply because we are far better at killing now.


Not really, most of the deaths caused by war and revolution in the post-WWII era were achieved by very primitive means no more advanced than those back in the era of a multipolar world.


Stalin, mao, and mr Husain would like to have a world
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:15 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Not really, most of the deaths caused by war and revolution in the post-WWII era were achieved by very primitive means no more advanced than those back in the era of a multipolar world.


Stalin, mao, and mr Husain would like to have a world


All of those were due to pretty primitive means though and all happened after the end of the multipolar world. So maybe going back to this will stop it from happening again?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:22 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Stalin, mao, and mr Husain would like to have a world


All of those were due to pretty primitive means though and all happened after the end of the multipolar world. So maybe going back to this will stop it from happening again?


Right right, bad point on my part.

There were more wars during those centuries then currently only that now the means of killing are far superior the death toll is much higher. More folks died of disease back then than combat..
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:33 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Not really, most of the deaths caused by war and revolution in the post-WWII era were achieved by very primitive means no more advanced than those back in the era of a multipolar world.


Stalin, mao, and mr Husain would like to have a world

Starvation is a fairly primitive means.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:34 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Stalin, mao, and mr Husain would like to have a world

Starvation is a fairly primitive means.


Strangely enough, Mass starvation In this day and age takes quite the mechanized effort to make it so

You wanna kill 6 million, you have to have a pretty efficient process
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Postby Blumeana » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:34 pm

Trump will probably loser 2020. :ugeek:

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:46 pm

Blumeana wrote:Trump will probably loser 2020. :ugeek:

Corona Virus has improved his ratings.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/pre ... ating.aspx
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:47 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Blumeana wrote:Trump will probably loser 2020. :ugeek:

Corona Virus has improved his ratings.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/pre ... ating.aspx


What a dumb world we live in, when Trump's approval goes UP from the shit he's pulled over Corona.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:51 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Blumeana wrote:Trump will probably loser 2020. :ugeek:

Corona Virus has improved his ratings.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/pre ... ating.aspx


This does not surprise me. He's handled it badly imo BUT the judgement of that doesn't really come in until the consequences (possibly millions dead) are evident.

Trump's way of showing confidence is very divisive. To me he seems bored and negligent, but others see it very differently, and perhaps others think C-19 is genuinely no big deal.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:52 pm

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Albrenia wrote:We've got rather bigger problems to deal with than if someone wants to call a pandemic "Kung Flu" or "China Virus".

I'd just go with Corona virus myself, but I don't really care what someone calls it unless they're being unclear.

Also true. We are potentially facing 20 million deaths in the US in the worst case scenario.

With 40 million suffering from life altering complications, with many eventually dying.

Now is really not the time to play SJW bullshit

I'll go whatever name goves Xi Jinping the shits. I think that's CCP virus
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:53 pm

Blumeana wrote:Trump will probably loser 2020. :ugeek:


The geek in me must insist, IT IS 2020.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:10 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Starvation is a fairly primitive means.


Strangely enough, Mass starvation In this day and age takes quite the mechanized effort to make it so

You wanna kill 6 million, you have to have a pretty efficient process


Same process as normal burn all the sources of food the local populations have then shoot any trying to escape. Once they run out of rats and dandelions starvation begins.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:12 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Corona Virus has improved his ratings.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/pre ... ating.aspx


This does not surprise me. He's handled it badly imo BUT the judgement of that doesn't really come in until the consequences (possibly millions dead) are evident.

Trump's way of showing confidence is very divisive. To me he seems bored and negligent, but others see it very differently, and perhaps others think C-19 is genuinely no big deal.


People dont blame him for the virus, if he tries to lift to early and there are consequences then it will effect him
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:14 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Strangely enough, Mass starvation In this day and age takes quite the mechanized effort to make it so

You wanna kill 6 million, you have to have a pretty efficient process


Same process as normal burn all the sources of food the local populations have then shoot any trying to escape. Once they run out of rats and dandelions starvation begins.

Woefully inefficient comrade, better to collect the food and crops first.
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Postby LRON » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:25 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Cisairse wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/realestateinvesting/comments/fotvwa/please_help_my_tenants_organized_and_are_saying/

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Is this being replicated elsewhere? If not then I am afraid it will be a nothing occurrence.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:08 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Blumeana wrote:Trump will probably loser 2020. :ugeek:


The geek in me must insist, IT IS 2020.

And we are winning so much, I am tired of winning, lol.

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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:49 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Blumeana wrote:Trump will probably loser 2020. :ugeek:

Corona Virus has improved his ratings.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/pre ... ating.aspx

And I know why: Trump at least knows what he's doing
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