Global ramifications of the Corona Crisis

[Albrenia]

When I was a kid milkmen delivered milk in electric vehicles, someone else delivered bread every day, mail, groceries and newspapers delivered by bicycle, people would sell fresh fish from the back of a van.

It wasn't so bad.

These are small businesses I presume. A few of them should start up.

(I too remember electric milk carts, as late as 1978.)

Could even help bring back a few of the jobs we've lost in this crisis.

[Thermodolia]

It is my hope that this crisis will be the catalyst for working people to rise up and seek the rights which they deserve.

As I mentioned, wanting to bring back blood sacrifice to praise Mammon or Baal is a very good way to get the Reds or the Blackshirts marching again.

Yup. I forsee a dictatorship in the future of the US and it will most likely be socialist, but could also be a form of fascist.

[Loben The 2nd]

It is my hope that this crisis will be the catalyst for working people to rise up and seek the rights which they deserve.

Do you want more people to die and perhaps the tanking of the global economy so you could notch a revolution on your belt?

[The Alma Mater]

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... id-19.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/worl ... heory.html

Yes actually.

China and Trump are currently sparring over who is to blame for COVID. I'm not a fan of either of them so I'm willing to spread the blame around.

Tell, me would you consider it fair to hold America responsible for the decisions of its leadership?

Obviously. That is what democracy is all about; all share the blame.

[The Alma Mater]

Some ideas:

Companies rushed to invest huge amounts in facilitating working from home. So that will be encouraged in the future; no point in recalling all those laptops, desks etc. or downgrading the network.

Greta got her wish: far less flying and polluting by industry. And the environment is grateful.
Now that the things that could not be done through political compromise have been implemented by fear of a virus I kinda hope governments will find a way to not return to the old situation.

Medical professionals stopped with genital mutilation. I hope they never start again.

There will be more preppers.

Wishful but highly unrealistic thinking: people with jobs that were deemed essential like nurses and sanitation engineers will get more recognition than people working in an office who were deemed expendable during this crisis.

[Loben The 2nd]

Some ideas:

Companies rushed to invest huge amounts in facilitating working from home. So that will be encouraged in the future; no point in recalling all those laptops, desks etc. or downgrading the network.

Greta got her wish: far less flying and polluting by industry. And the environment is grateful.
Now that the things that could not be done through political compromise have been implemented by fear of a virus I kinda hope governments will find a way to not return to the old situation.

Medical professionals stopped with genital mutilation. I hope they never start again.

There will be more preppers.

Wishful but highly unrealistic thinking: people with jobs that were deemed essential like nurses and sanitation engineers will get more recognition than people working in an office who were deemed expendable during this crisis.

Hope you and her enjoy the show. Because what happens next will be a doozy.

[Cisairse]

It is my hope that this crisis will be the catalyst for working people to rise up and seek the rights which they deserve.

Do you want more people to die and perhaps the tanking of the global economy so you could notch a revolution on your belt?

I never said I wanted a revolution. I said working people will hopefully seek the rights which they deserve. In a democracy, there's a pretty good way to do that.

[Moscareinas]

I've been working on this and one other thing since Monday morning. It's by no means complete, and it is by every means as pompous and pretentious as the day is long, but I cannot help my training. But I do want this to move along -- even if I cannot give you all a map, I can at least give you all... pointers? Yeah, pointers.

I have said before that change for better must come in the way we live and govern ourselves after this global crisis abates (or, in a real sense, in ways this does fails to abate), but how do we at least ensure that that will happen? How do we at least make that make that change work, for all of us, for every last one of us, not just a few privileged by money, by ethnicity, by creed, by sex, by any and every bloody nonsense that has divided us over and especially these past few years?

I don't know how. Sorry for all that buildup -- all I've ever been good for is rhetoric, and that intermittently. Goodness knows our present failure is a failure of vision, and it is mine too, if of a different kind -- my failure the failure to define an attractive vision more inclusive, more democratic than is now the vogue among the thinking types, those whose bread and butter is not (just) a way with words.

But I do know this much -- we cannot proceed, indeed we will fall back to this damnable square again and again and again (if not try to escape it altogether by just shrugging off all attempts at saving the most vulnerable to the next pandemic, to doubtful economic and certain lack of moral benefit) if we do not attempt to revitalize the global governmental structures -- the United Nations, the World Health Organization, UNICEF, whatelse, I literally don't know what else -- that can at least give us a sense of direction as to how to coordinate our responses by the time the next pandemic sets up its own Ninth Symphony. Global crises demand global responses, global coordination, global cooperation, and even as the tribalist authoritarianisms so popular the world over over these past few years may have learned to lean on each other, extol the other, praise one another for political survival, they could not ensure our human flourishing, or at best can only do so at the expense of the others in times of global crisis.

Which brings up a second, related point: for us to not flail our arms and fail ourselves, we have to have democracy. We must insist on democracy for each and everyone of us. Not wait for China to democratize itself, not bring political laggards to our exclusive clubs in the hopes that that we do influences them to do likewise. Oh, if undemocratic regimes are smart enough and have the resources and the gumption they will adapt, but only economically; there is more than one way to peel a banana, and the banana, as it has turned out, is not democratic but capitalistic, not a way to ensure inclusivity, transparency, accountability in government, but a way to make more money, which I need not tell you is not the same as democracy.

[Aureumterra]

Much like life in China and South Korea, it will all go back to normal and everyone will forget about it once the news is swept up with the inevitable coronation of King Charles

What the fuck did I jinx with this?

[Nakena]

I've been working on this and one other thing since Monday morning. It's by no means complete, and it is by every means as pompous and pretentious as the day is long, but I cannot help my training. But I do want this to move along -- even if I cannot give you all a map, I can at least give you all... pointers? Yeah, pointers.

I have said before that change for better must come in the way we live and govern ourselves after this global crisis abates (or, in a real sense, in ways this does fails to abate), but how do we at least ensure that that will happen? How do we at least make that make that change work, for all of us, for every last one of us, not just a few privileged by money, by ethnicity, by creed, by sex, by any and every bloody nonsense that has divided us over and especially these past few years?

I don't know how. Sorry for all that buildup -- all I've ever been good for is rhetoric, and that intermittently. Goodness knows our present failure is a failure of vision, and it is mine too, if of a different kind -- my failure the failure to define an attractive vision more inclusive, more democratic than is now the vogue among the thinking types, those whose bread and butter is not (just) a way with words.

But I do know this much -- we cannot proceed, indeed we will fall back to this damnable square again and again and again (if not try to escape it altogether by just shrugging off all attempts at saving the most vulnerable to the next pandemic, to doubtful economic and certain lack of moral benefit) if we do not attempt to revitalize the global governmental structures -- the United Nations, the World Health Organization, UNICEF, whatelse, I literally don't know what else -- that can at least give us a sense of direction as to how to coordinate our responses by the time the next pandemic sets up its own Ninth Symphony. Global crises demand global responses, global coordination, global cooperation, and even as the tribalist authoritarianisms so popular the world over over these past few years may have learned to lean on each other, extol the other, praise one another for political survival, they could not ensure our human flourishing, or at best can only do so at the expense of the others in times of global crisis.

Which brings up a second, related point: for us to not flail our arms and fail ourselves, we have to have democracy. We must insist on democracy for each and everyone of us. Not wait for China to democratize itself, not bring political laggards to our exclusive clubs in the hopes that that we do influences them to do likewise. Oh, if undemocratic regimes are smart enough and have the resources and the gumption they will adapt, but only economically; there is more than one way to peel a banana, and the banana, as it has turned out, is not democratic but capitalistic, not a way to ensure inclusivity, transparency, accountability in government, but a way to make more money, which I need not tell you is not the same as democracy.

Might be best to put it to a dispatch. I did that too with some of my stuff. It allows also for better accessibility and can always be read and edited etc.

[LRON]

It is my hope that this crisis will be the catalyst for working people to rise up and seek the rights which they deserve.

Do you want more people to die and perhaps the tanking of the global economy so you could notch a revolution on your belt?

Well then perhaps your government shouldn't be so cavalier with your own citizens lives for the sake of Wall Street, old boy. That is precisely how you get both the reds and the blackshirts rising.

[Australian rePublic]

Hard to say, really.


Best case scanarion- Life returns to whatever the new normal is. Not really sure what the new normal is, but perhaps it'll involve less reliance on China. China isn't really cheap anymore, China's valued for supply chains. If companies find new supply chains, this will lead to a bad Chinese economy (which kind of sucks for the Chinese people) and a possible overthrow of the government. (Who base their entire legitimacy on economic growth)

Worst Case Scanario- Global Societal Colllapse. A law is only as valid as your ability to force it. You can only keep people locked in their homes for so long before they start thinking that all this shit isn't worth it to try to contain the virus. That, plus people will want to re-open resturants, cafes, etc. There won't be enough law enforcement mampower to do anything about it. Add to the widespread unemploymemt and economic collapse, and possible mental health issues caused by all this shit and we have all the ingrediants for a global societal collapse Further, the disease wowon'tstop spreading, just because it's ignored, but the spread of the disease will suddenly be the least of our problems. I shudder to think what'll be built in the ashes of previpus society (the one that ended last year)

[Moscareinas]

I've been working on this and one other thing since Monday morning. It's by no means complete, and it is by every means as pompous and pretentious as the day is long, but I cannot help my training. But I do want this to move along -- even if I cannot give you all a map, I can at least give you all... pointers? Yeah, pointers.

I have said before that change for better must come in the way we live and govern ourselves after this global crisis abates (or, in a real sense, in ways this does fails to abate), but how do we at least ensure that that will happen? How do we at least make that make that change work, for all of us, for every last one of us, not just a few privileged by money, by ethnicity, by creed, by sex, by any and every bloody nonsense that has divided us over and especially these past few years?

I don't know how. Sorry for all that buildup -- all I've ever been good for is rhetoric, and that intermittently. Goodness knows our present failure is a failure of vision, and it is mine too, if of a different kind -- my failure the failure to define an attractive vision more inclusive, more democratic than is now the vogue among the thinking types, those whose bread and butter is not (just) a way with words.

But I do know this much -- we cannot proceed, indeed we will fall back to this damnable square again and again and again (if not try to escape it altogether by just shrugging off all attempts at saving the most vulnerable to the next pandemic, to doubtful economic and certain lack of moral benefit) if we do not attempt to revitalize the global governmental structures -- the United Nations, the World Health Organization, UNICEF, whatelse, I literally don't know what else -- that can at least give us a sense of direction as to how to coordinate our responses by the time the next pandemic sets up its own Ninth Symphony. Global crises demand global responses, global coordination, global cooperation, and even as the tribalist authoritarianisms so popular the world over over these past few years may have learned to lean on each other, extol the other, praise one another for political survival, they could not ensure our human flourishing, or at best can only do so at the expense of the others in times of global crisis.

Which brings up a second, related point: for us to not flail our arms and fail ourselves, we have to have democracy. We must insist on democracy for each and everyone of us. Not wait for China to democratize itself, not bring political laggards to our exclusive clubs in the hopes that that we do influences them to do likewise. Oh, if undemocratic regimes are smart enough and have the resources and the gumption they will adapt, but only economically; there is more than one way to peel a banana, and the banana, as it has turned out, is not democratic but capitalistic, not a way to ensure inclusivity, transparency, accountability in government, but a way to make more money, which I need not tell you is not the same as democracy.

Might be best to put it to a dispatch. I did that too with some of my stuff. It allows also for better accessibility and can always be read and edited etc.

would be quite the thing to leave the should be seen unseen, innit?

[Nakena]

Might be best to put it to a dispatch. I did that too with some of my stuff. It allows also for better accessibility and can always be read and edited etc.

would be quite the thing to leave the should be seen unseen, innit?

Most of my own dispatches in regard to that is really summarized posts from the forums i tried to bring into some more sensible fashion. Which is hard because i have likely some form of undiagnosed ADD running rampant.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I think another ramification might be that people finally stop using "but wut if peeplz enter country A from C through B" as an excuse not to cut off travel from pandemic-ravaged countries. How much more effort can it be to check on their passports for ALL the countries they've been to since the pandemics started?

[Salandriagado]

I've been working on this and one other thing since Monday morning. It's by no means complete, and it is by every means as pompous and pretentious as the day is long, but I cannot help my training. But I do want this to move along -- even if I cannot give you all a map, I can at least give you all... pointers? Yeah, pointers.

I have said before that change for better must come in the way we live and govern ourselves after this global crisis abates (or, in a real sense, in ways this does fails to abate), but how do we at least ensure that that will happen? How do we at least make that make that change work, for all of us, for every last one of us, not just a few privileged by money, by ethnicity, by creed, by sex, by any and every bloody nonsense that has divided us over and especially these past few years?

I don't know how. Sorry for all that buildup -- all I've ever been good for is rhetoric, and that intermittently. Goodness knows our present failure is a failure of vision, and it is mine too, if of a different kind -- my failure the failure to define an attractive vision more inclusive, more democratic than is now the vogue among the thinking types, those whose bread and butter is not (just) a way with words.

But I do know this much -- we cannot proceed, indeed we will fall back to this damnable square again and again and again (if not try to escape it altogether by just shrugging off all attempts at saving the most vulnerable to the next pandemic, to doubtful economic and certain lack of moral benefit) if we do not attempt to revitalize the global governmental structures -- the United Nations, the World Health Organization, UNICEF, whatelse, I literally don't know what else -- that can at least give us a sense of direction as to how to coordinate our responses by the time the next pandemic sets up its own Ninth Symphony. Global crises demand global responses, global coordination, global cooperation, and even as the tribalist authoritarianisms so popular the world over over these past few years may have learned to lean on each other, extol the other, praise one another for political survival, they could not ensure our human flourishing, or at best can only do so at the expense of the others in times of global crisis.

Which brings up a second, related point: for us to not flail our arms and fail ourselves, we have to have democracy. We must insist on democracy for each and everyone of us. Not wait for China to democratize itself, not bring political laggards to our exclusive clubs in the hopes that that we do influences them to do likewise. Oh, if undemocratic regimes are smart enough and have the resources and the gumption they will adapt, but only economically; there is more than one way to peel a banana, and the banana, as it has turned out, is not democratic but capitalistic, not a way to ensure inclusivity, transparency, accountability in government, but a way to make more money, which I need not tell you is not the same as democracy.

Not gonna lie, I was fully expecting a picture of a massive turd inside that spoiler.

[LRON]

I've been working on this and one other thing since Monday morning. It's by no means complete, and it is by every means as pompous and pretentious as the day is long, but I cannot help my training. But I do want this to move along -- even if I cannot give you all a map, I can at least give you all... pointers? Yeah, pointers.

I have said before that change for better must come in the way we live and govern ourselves after this global crisis abates (or, in a real sense, in ways this does fails to abate), but how do we at least ensure that that will happen? How do we at least make that make that change work, for all of us, for every last one of us, not just a few privileged by money, by ethnicity, by creed, by sex, by any and every bloody nonsense that has divided us over and especially these past few years?

I don't know how. Sorry for all that buildup -- all I've ever been good for is rhetoric, and that intermittently. Goodness knows our present failure is a failure of vision, and it is mine too, if of a different kind -- my failure the failure to define an attractive vision more inclusive, more democratic than is now the vogue among the thinking types, those whose bread and butter is not (just) a way with words.

But I do know this much -- we cannot proceed, indeed we will fall back to this damnable square again and again and again (if not try to escape it altogether by just shrugging off all attempts at saving the most vulnerable to the next pandemic, to doubtful economic and certain lack of moral benefit) if we do not attempt to revitalize the global governmental structures -- the United Nations, the World Health Organization, UNICEF, whatelse, I literally don't know what else -- that can at least give us a sense of direction as to how to coordinate our responses by the time the next pandemic sets up its own Ninth Symphony. Global crises demand global responses, global coordination, global cooperation, and even as the tribalist authoritarianisms so popular the world over over these past few years may have learned to lean on each other, extol the other, praise one another for political survival, they could not ensure our human flourishing, or at best can only do so at the expense of the others in times of global crisis.

Which brings up a second, related point: for us to not flail our arms and fail ourselves, we have to have democracy. We must insist on democracy for each and everyone of us. Not wait for China to democratize itself, not bring political laggards to our exclusive clubs in the hopes that that we do influences them to do likewise. Oh, if undemocratic regimes are smart enough and have the resources and the gumption they will adapt, but only economically; there is more than one way to peel a banana, and the banana, as it has turned out, is not democratic but capitalistic, not a way to ensure inclusivity, transparency, accountability in government, but a way to make more money, which I need not tell you is not the same as democracy.

This is very funny.

[Aureumterra]

I've been working on this and one other thing since Monday morning. It's by no means complete, and it is by every means as pompous and pretentious as the day is long, but I cannot help my training. But I do want this to move along -- even if I cannot give you all a map, I can at least give you all... pointers? Yeah, pointers.

I have said before that change for better must come in the way we live and govern ourselves after this global crisis abates (or, in a real sense, in ways this does fails to abate), but how do we at least ensure that that will happen? How do we at least make that make that change work, for all of us, for every last one of us, not just a few privileged by money, by ethnicity, by creed, by sex, by any and every bloody nonsense that has divided us over and especially these past few years?

I don't know how. Sorry for all that buildup -- all I've ever been good for is rhetoric, and that intermittently. Goodness knows our present failure is a failure of vision, and it is mine too, if of a different kind -- my failure the failure to define an attractive vision more inclusive, more democratic than is now the vogue among the thinking types, those whose bread and butter is not (just) a way with words.

But I do know this much -- we cannot proceed, indeed we will fall back to this damnable square again and again and again (if not try to escape it altogether by just shrugging off all attempts at saving the most vulnerable to the next pandemic, to doubtful economic and certain lack of moral benefit) if we do not attempt to revitalize the global governmental structures -- the United Nations, the World Health Organization, UNICEF, whatelse, I literally don't know what else -- that can at least give us a sense of direction as to how to coordinate our responses by the time the next pandemic sets up its own Ninth Symphony. Global crises demand global responses, global coordination, global cooperation, and even as the tribalist authoritarianisms so popular the world over over these past few years may have learned to lean on each other, extol the other, praise one another for political survival, they could not ensure our human flourishing, or at best can only do so at the expense of the others in times of global crisis.

Which brings up a second, related point: for us to not flail our arms and fail ourselves, we have to have democracy. We must insist on democracy for each and everyone of us. Not wait for China to democratize itself, not bring political laggards to our exclusive clubs in the hopes that that we do influences them to do likewise. Oh, if undemocratic regimes are smart enough and have the resources and the gumption they will adapt, but only economically; there is more than one way to peel a banana, and the banana, as it has turned out, is not democratic but capitalistic, not a way to ensure inclusivity, transparency, accountability in government, but a way to make more money, which I need not tell you is not the same as democracy.

So what you’re saying is the West should go George Bush mode and give "freedom" to every country that doesn’t have democracy? While I would love for every country to have democracy, I will have to say the rhetoric here is scarily similar to neocon rhetoric, warmongering makes a comeback after every major crisis now doesn’t it?

[Nakena]

"...as long as we are confined to a single planet we're within a closed system that can be affected by global (Climate change? max extinctions, totalitarian belief systems such as Islam or Communism gaining total control etc.) or outer factors. (Giant Meteor?) To guarantee long term survival it is thus necessary to diversify beyond this confinement..."

[LRON]

I think the major ramification will be the realigning of international orders. I cannot fathom how anyone can look to the West and as a whole think these are the countries we want lecturing us. Even within the West, you will see shifts. How can anyone look at the utter shitfuckery that is the American response and think this is the superpower we want? You will have holdouts, no doubt. Then however the GOP will most likely lose come November; the Democrats are not going to be a party capable nor willing of confronting China in the future. Many countries will lose heart in American competence and will - not without good reason. Then by the end of the decade you will be chased out of the Pacific. China and its acolytes stand to benefit the most. The Dragon may have faltered in the beginning but showed resolve whereas America has not. People would chuckle when I mentioned in previous discussions that the end of global American hegemony was coming soon and that we would enter the twilight years of the American Empire. This is what a faltering empire looks like, chaps.

You are done.

A day will come when sacred Troy shall perish,
And Priam and his people shall be slain. - Scipio Aemilianus

[Rojava Free State]

I think another ramification might be that people finally stop using "but wut if peeplz enter country A from C through B" as an excuse not to cut off travel from pandemic-ravaged countries. How much more effort can it be to check on their passports for ALL the countries they've been to since the pandemics started?

We should have closed our borders completely.

[Albrenia]

I think the major ramification will be the realigning of international orders. I cannot fathom how anyone can look to the West and as a whole think these are the countries we want lecturing us. Even within the West, you will see shifts. How can anyone look at the utter shitfuckery that is the American response and think this is the superpower we want? You will have holdouts, no doubt. Then however the GOP will most likely lose come November; the Democrats are not going to be a party capable nor willing of confronting China in the future. Many countries will lose heart in American competence and will - not without good reason. Then by the end of the decade you will be chased out of the Pacific. China and its acolytes stand to benefit the most. The Dragon may have faltered in the beginning but showed resolve whereas America has not. People would chuckle when I mentioned in previous discussions that the end of global American hegemony was coming soon and that we would enter the twilight years of the American Empire. This is what a faltering empire looks like, chaps.

You are done.

A day will come when sacred Troy shall perish,
And Priam and his people shall be slain. - Scipio Aemilianus

American dominion has been slowly slipping away for a while, it just has sped up greatly with Trump's behaviour and this may reduce it further.

I hope to Jeebus that it's not China who takes its place. A grim future indeed.

[Thermodolia]

I think the major ramification will be the realigning of international orders. I cannot fathom how anyone can look to the West and as a whole think these are the countries we want lecturing us. Even within the West, you will see shifts. How can anyone look at the utter shitfuckery that is the American response and think this is the superpower we want? You will have holdouts, no doubt. Then however the GOP will most likely lose come November; the Democrats are not going to be a party capable nor willing of confronting China in the future. Many countries will lose heart in American competence and will - not without good reason. Then by the end of the decade you will be chased out of the Pacific. China and its acolytes stand to benefit the most. The Dragon may have faltered in the beginning but showed resolve whereas America has not. People would chuckle when I mentioned in previous discussions that the end of global American hegemony was coming soon and that we would enter the twilight years of the American Empire. This is what a faltering empire looks like, chaps.

You are done.

A day will come when sacred Troy shall perish,
And Priam and his people shall be slain. - Scipio Aemilianus

Not if anything to say about it I have!

[Cisairse]

https://www.reddit.com/r/realestateinve ... re_saying/

working people rise up

[Vetalia]

I hope to Jeebus that it's not China who takes its place. A grim future indeed.

I don't think we need to worry about that. This may have been the epochal event that marks the end of China's rise.