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Samudera Darussalam
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:39 pm

Genivaria wrote:Holocaust Survivor Is First Coronavirus Death In Israel
*sigh* God that's fucked up.


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Postby Albrenia » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:39 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
Tourais wrote:Ngl bats are the causes of a lot of shit in human life.


if fucking puffer fish are a delicacy once you remove the poison from them, i don't see why bats shouldn't be a food source


The whole eating puffer fish thing should be totally banned, to be honest. I saw a video on how they prepare fugu once and it fucking gave me nightmares.

Also the danger of croaking if it's prepared wrong is bad too.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:41 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:
if fucking puffer fish are a delicacy once you remove the poison from them, i don't see why bats shouldn't be a food source


The whole eating puffer fish thing should be totally banned, to be honest. I saw a video on how they prepare fugu once and it fucking gave me nightmares.

Also the danger of croaking if it's prepared wrong is bad too.

Isn't that why preparing that kind of food needs some special training?

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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:42 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
Tourais wrote:Ngl bats are the causes of a lot of shit in human life.


if fucking puffer fish are a delicacy once you remove the poison from them, i don't see why bats shouldn't be a food source

there are much grosser foods out there than bats and pufferfish, yeah
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Postby Vetalia » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:44 pm

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This bad boy didn't emerge from that market, whatever the hell it came from is a mystery known to the ChiCom regime alone but there are some clear and plausible sources...if they would just tell the truth for once we might be able to find out what actually happened.

I thought its genome had been analyzed by an independent source and they thought the "filthy dietary habits among chinese people" hypothesis had some merit?


The most likely explanation at this point is a screwup at the lab 900 feet from the market that was working on the coronavirus. Considering unscrupulous individuals in these labs have been busted before across China selling animals used in experiments that should have been destroyed, it's not hard to imagine one or more of the coronavirus-infected bats used in experiments were passed on to the wet market and the rest is history. Hence the massive coverup and denials from the Chinese government.
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Postby Albrenia » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:44 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
The whole eating puffer fish thing should be totally banned, to be honest. I saw a video on how they prepare fugu once and it fucking gave me nightmares.

Also the danger of croaking if it's prepared wrong is bad too.

Isn't that why preparing that kind of food needs some special training?


Yeah, but the process I saw was horribly cruel to the poor fish as well. I'm not a vegetarian, but I do oppose any form of food preparation which keeps the food alive as long as possible during the cutting process for 'freshness'.

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Postby Aeritai » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:46 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Isn't that why preparing that kind of food needs some special training?


Yeah, but the process I saw was horribly cruel to the poor fish as well. I'm not a vegetarian, but I do oppose any form of food preparation which keeps the food alive as long as possible during the cutting process for 'freshness'.


I assume your talking about the video where a puffer fish eats a carrot?
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Postby Moscareinas » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:47 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I thought its genome had been analyzed by an independent source and they thought the "filthy dietary habits among chinese people" hypothesis had some merit?


The most likely explanation at this point is a screwup at the lab 900 feet from the market that was working on the coronavirus. Considering unscrupulous individuals in these labs have been busted before across China selling animals used in experiments that should have been destroyed, it's not hard to imagine one or more of the coronavirus-infected bats used in experiments were passed on to the wet market and the rest is history. Hence the massive coverup and denials from the Chinese government.


cool story bro
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Postby Nakena » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:47 pm

Mettaton-EX wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:
if fucking puffer fish are a delicacy once you remove the poison from them, i don't see why bats shouldn't be a food source

there are much grosser foods out there than bats and pufferfish, yeah


Fried spider on stick.

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Postby Vetalia » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:47 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
The most likely explanation at this point is a screwup at the lab 900 feet from the market that was working on the coronavirus. Considering unscrupulous individuals in these labs have been busted before across China selling animals used in experiments that should have been destroyed, it's not hard to imagine one or more of the coronavirus-infected bats used in experiments were passed on to the wet market and the rest is history. Hence the massive coverup and denials from the Chinese government.


cool story bro


Do you have a better explanation?
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Postby Nakena » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:48 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
Yeah, but the process I saw was horribly cruel to the poor fish as well. I'm not a vegetarian, but I do oppose any form of food preparation which keeps the food alive as long as possible during the cutting process for 'freshness'.


I assume your talking about the video where a puffer fish eats a carrot?


It seemed to enjoy it.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:51 pm

Nakena wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
I assume your talking about the video where a puffer fish eats a carrot?


It seemed to enjoy it.

I don't think it enjoyed whatever happened just after.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:51 pm

Nakena wrote:
Aeritai wrote:
I assume your talking about the video where a puffer fish eats a carrot?


It seemed to enjoy it.

Ye fucking gods that is horrifying.

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Postby Nakena » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:52 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-BCZ52hE3O/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Next to no one is on the road.


Spooky. Still some traffic over here.

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Postby Vetalia » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:52 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-BCZ52hE3O/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Next to no one is on the road.


Are you in Michigan Rojava?
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:52 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
Tourais wrote:Ngl bats are the causes of a lot of shit in human life.


if fucking puffer fish are a delicacy once you remove the poison from them, i don't see why bats shouldn't be a food source


The poison minimizes the risk of infectious agents
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Postby Moscareinas » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:54 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:
cool story bro


Do you have a better explanation?


you don't need human intervention to make a zoonotic pathogen, you just need time and spare parts

in other words, ockham's fucking razor

next you'll tell me sars and the spanish flu -- one provably from and one possibly from china -- are bioengineered bullshit
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Postby Vetalia » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:54 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:
if fucking puffer fish are a delicacy once you remove the poison from them, i don't see why bats shouldn't be a food source


The poison minimizes the risk of infectious agents


And if you mess up with removing the poison, the risk of infectious agents is the least of your worries.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:54 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:
if fucking puffer fish are a delicacy once you remove the poison from them, i don't see why bats shouldn't be a food source


The poison minimizes the risk of infectious agents

Since tetrodotoxin is a nerve agent, and viruses and bacteria lack nerves, it probably doesn't.
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Postby Europa Undivided » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:54 pm

Here are some things this crisis tells us:
1. We should have universal healthcare
2. Rich Chinese should stop eating everything that moves
3. Oust the Communist Party of China
4. While we're at it, oust Duterte
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Postby Seangoli » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:54 pm

So it seems that the drug Hydroxychlorquine might be the actual game changer Trump said it was. There have been numerous studies on other virus in the past that have shown that it can disrupt a viruses ability to enter cells by decreasing the acidity of the blood to an intolerable level. Also, early studies have indicated it works much the same against coronavirus in test tube results, and could potentially be used as a prophylactic to prevent future outbreaks. It has been shown to be a viral prophylactic for a range of viruses.

The University of Minnesota is currently running a massive study on its effectiveness, which could give results in the next few weeks, and multiple other nations are doing the same as we speak. We will have a metric ton of data to look at very soon.

So, hopeful news that we can tamp this down sooner rather than later, even if it isn't guaranteed right now. The basic science of how it should work is there, we just don't know whether it will be effective in practice.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:55 pm

Moscareinas wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
Do you have a better explanation?


you don't need human intervention to make a zoonotic pathogen, you just need time and spare parts

in other words, ockham's fucking razor

next you'll tell me sars and the spanish flu -- one provably from and one possibly from china -- are bioengineered bullshit

I'm pretty sure the consensus is that the Spanish flu originated in America with pigs or horses.
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Postby Seangoli » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:56 pm

Europa Undivided wrote:Here are some things this crisis tells us:
1. We should have universal healthcare
2. Rich Chinese should stop eating everything that moves
3. Oust the Communist Party of China
4. While we're at it, oust Duterte


5. Never listen to the WHO.

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Postby Seangoli » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:58 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I thought its genome had been analyzed by an independent source and they thought the "filthy dietary habits among chinese people" hypothesis had some merit?


Lack of adequate food prep and market regulation. You'd think an authoritarian "communist" regime would have, I dunno, more of a handle on markets?


It's ingrained into the culture of some parts of China.

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