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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:16 am

Ifreann wrote:
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Yeah the stock market is only tanking, the air travel industry is losing money rapidly, Broadway is worried about some shows never opening, and unemployment insurance systems are crashing. yeah things are going great.

Do you think Broadway would be doing any better if all their audiences, cast, and crew all got sick and loads of them died?

Its not airborne Ebola why do people keep treating like it is?

I also didnt say to reopen tomorrow but on the other hand many of those actors and other workers in theatre have zero income right now.

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Postby Nakena » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:16 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Do you think Broadway would be doing any better if all their audiences, cast, and crew all got sick and loads of them died?

Its not airborne Ebola why do people keep treating like it is?

I also didnt say to reopen tomorrow but on the other hand many of those actors and other workers in theatre have zero income right now.


Dead people have usually zero income too.

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Postby Aclion » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:18 am

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Not sure how you could charge them with that.

Any prosecutor could. It doesn't require a grand jury, and would get past one if it did.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:18 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Do you think Broadway would be doing any better if all their audiences, cast, and crew all got sick and loads of them died?

Its not airborne Ebola why do people keep treating like it is?

I also didnt say to reopen tomorrow but on the other hand many of those actors and other workers in theatre have zero income right now.

Answer my question. How is Broadway going to cope if people are too sick or dead to work or see a show?
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Postby Cisairse » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:18 am

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Considering how many technofascists there are on NSG, I would assume that everyone here would know that.

Well. I guess except the technofascists.


Technofascism isn't really a thing. Don't give fascism additional bonus point to add more fluff to their stuff than what they actually have to offer.


As I understand it technofascism is a dialect of ecofascism, which was originally a right-wing myth made up to try and discredit left-wing environmentalists before actual fascists decided to take it seriously and defend it on NSG.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:20 am

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None of which respond to anything in my post.

You claimed the interconnected economy was going great. Its not. If it was why is Congress working on a stimulus plan?


And now you're lying about me. Don't fucking lie about me.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Cisairse » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:20 am

Nakena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its not airborne Ebola why do people keep treating like it is?

I also didnt say to reopen tomorrow but on the other hand many of those actors and other workers in theatre have zero income right now.


Dead people have usually zero income too.


Actually not always.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:21 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its not airborne Ebola why do people keep treating like it is?

I also didnt say to reopen tomorrow but on the other hand many of those actors and other workers in theatre have zero income right now.

Answer my question. How is Broadway going to cope if people are too sick or dead to work or see a show?


Everyone isn't going to drop dead. Your acting like its a incredibly deadly disease. Its not.

I did not say resume shows tomorrow.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:22 am

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San Lumen wrote:You claimed the interconnected economy was going great. Its not. If it was why is Congress working on a stimulus plan?


And now you're lying about me. Don't fucking lie about me.

By your logic why even bother with a stimulus plan everything is peachy.

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Postby Nakena » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:23 am

Cisairse wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Technofascism isn't really a thing. Don't give fascism additional bonus point to add more fluff to their stuff than what they actually have to offer.


As I understand it technofascism is a dialect of ecofascism, which was originally a right-wing myth made up to try and discredit left-wing environmentalists before actual fascists decided to take it seriously and defend it on NSG.


I was for a while under the influence of it, I can assure you that "fascism" or nazism is, in the end, all about vulgar racialism and antisemitism. Specifically the second thing.

Any adjectives, additions and so on are just fluff that is build around the two above mentioned tenets in one way or another.

Where this isn't the case it's probably not nazism/fascism but something else.

If you have more questions about this we can take this to another thread or you TG me.
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Postby Toshavo III » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:25 am

On another note, the movie Contagion seems to have predicted everything right thus far.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:26 am

Toshavo III wrote:On another note, the movie Contagion seems to have predicted everything right thus far.

Hollywood is frighteningly good at predicting things

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
And now you're lying about me. Don't fucking lie about me.

By your logic why even bother with a stimulus plan everything is peachy.


Stop fucking lying about what I said. I will not ask you again.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Answer my question. How is Broadway going to cope if people are too sick or dead to work or see a show?


Everyone isn't going to drop dead. Your acting like its a incredibly deadly disease. Its not.

I'm not acting like that at all. I did not say anything about what proportion of people would die. I asked you a very simple question and you're dodging it.

I did not say resume shows tomorrow.

I didn't ask about opening shows tomorrow. I asked how you think Broadway is going to cope if people are too sick or dead to work or see a show. If you don't have anything to say that is actually in response to that question then you can just not respond.
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Postby Toshavo III » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:30 am

San Lumen wrote:
Toshavo III wrote:On another note, the movie Contagion seems to have predicted everything right thus far.

Hollywood is frighteningly good at predicting things

Hollywood is paticularly good at contracting diseases too
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:33 am

San Lumen wrote:
Toshavo III wrote:On another note, the movie Contagion seems to have predicted everything right thus far.

Hollywood is frighteningly good at predicting things

No it isn't. That movie specifically consulted with epidemiologists, who it turns out know a lot about pandemics. Movies in general are not remotely good at predicting anything.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:36 am

San Lumen wrote:
Toshavo III wrote:On another note, the movie Contagion seems to have predicted everything right thus far.

Hollywood is frighteningly good at predicting things


Related: 25 Things You Missed In Contagion (Spoilers)

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:37 am

My sister has recovered from what she had, still not sure if it was the virus or not, doubt it considering how fast she recovered. Lot of stress and anxiety gone now.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:39 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:My sister has recovered from what she had, still not sure if it was the virus or not, doubt it considering how fast she recovered. Lot of stress and anxiety gone now.

Glad to hear she is doing well.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:41 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:My sister has recovered from what she had, still not sure if it was the virus or not, doubt it considering how fast she recovered. Lot of stress and anxiety gone now.

Glad to hear she is doing well.

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Postby Page » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:42 am

Toshavo III wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Hollywood is frighteningly good at predicting things

Hollywood is paticularly good at contracting diseases too


The coronavirus said Harvey Weinstein consented to being infected.
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Postby Toshavo III » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:43 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Answer my question. How is Broadway going to cope if people are too sick or dead to work or see a show?


Everyone isn't going to drop dead. Your acting like its a incredibly deadly disease. Its not.

I did not say resume shows tomorrow.

The virus itself isn’t that incredibly lethal, however still 10x worse than the flu. The main problem is if everyone gets it all at once, too many people will end up being hospitalized, which leads to deaths due to hospitals succumbing to an influx of cases.

This virus spreads faster than the flu, it’s very easy to transmit between people. The flu infects about a billion people every year, and kills half a million. Those deaths are mostly immune-compromised, and most have co-morbidities (more than one disease at the same time)

As of right now, this is likely to infect 2 - 3 billion... without any interventions to stop the spread, we are looking at 10s of millions of deaths (2.2 million in the US alone)

Treating this with complanency is the worse thing we can do right now.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:44 am

Toshavo III wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Everyone isn't going to drop dead. Your acting like its a incredibly deadly disease. Its not.

I did not say resume shows tomorrow.

The virus itself isn’t that incredibly lethal, however still 10x worse than the flu. The main problem is if everyone gets it all at once, too many people will end up being hospitalized, which leads to deaths due to hospitals succumbing to an influx of cases.

This virus spreads faster than the flu, it’s very easy to transmit between people. The flu infects about a billion people every year, and kills half a million. Those deaths are mostly immune-compromised, and most have co-morbidities (more than one disease at the same time)

As of right now, this is likely to infect 2 - 3 billion... without any interventions to stop the spread, we are looking at 10s of millions of deaths (2.2 million in the US alone)

Treating this with complanency is the worse thing we can do right now.

I never said to be complacent

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:47 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:My sister has recovered from what she had, still not sure if it was the virus or not, doubt it considering how fast she recovered. Lot of stress and anxiety gone now.

Get wrecked, virus.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:49 am

One funny thing that happened due to the lockdown was when I was at work yesterday. There was maybe 8 of us in the entire building and no one else was there. No customers, no other workers, no repair guys, no one. All of the sudden someone yelled SHIT! really loudly in the back, and one girl was like "that sounded like you!" I said to her "that was my stand!"

We wouldn't have heard that in a normal busy panera.
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