Coronavirus Thread mark II: Official Apocalyptic Edition

[Baltenstein]

552 cases, 35 deaths and 20 recoveries as of 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

I wonder if living on a remote tiny Polynesian island is an advantage or disadvantage at this point. On the one hand, you're naturally more isolated from the rest of the world as is. On the other, if even one carrier somehow makes it to your shores, you're screwed.

[Valrifell]

Because all of the lockdown orders have been state-led initiatives. It's typically very difficult for the Federal government to directly interfere with the affairs of the states.

I suspect he'll either try and use his stimulus package plans to incentive the states to drop lockdown (if you reopen we'll give you a lot of subsidies) or he'll challenge the orders in court as unconstitutional. Though neither of which are going to be timely, considering we can't agree on the legislation as is and the courts have historically been favorable to other emergency declarations during war-time.

Those are both possible. He could also attempt to use the supremacy clause of the constitution.

In order to do that, there would first need exist a law that stipulates it's illegal to stay inside for prolonged periods of time.

[San Lumen]

Those are both possible. He could also attempt to use the supremacy clause of the constitution.

In order to do that, there would first need exist a law that stipulates it's illegal to stay inside for prolonged periods of time.

he could in theory make a an executive order doing that.

[Rojava Free State]

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morn ... ting-lies/

But we shouldn't call it kung flu or the chinese virus cause that's allegedly racist.

[Valrifell]

In order to do that, there would first need exist a law that stipulates it's illegal to stay inside for prolonged periods of time.

he could in theory make a an executive order doing that.

Depends on whether or not one would consider executive orders "laws" by the wording of the supremacy clause. Which might be an open question, I don't know.

[Ethel mermania]

Because all of the lockdown orders have been state-led initiatives. It's typically very difficult for the Federal government to directly interfere with the affairs of the states.

I suspect he'll either try and use his stimulus package plans to incentive the states to drop lockdown (if you reopen we'll give you a lot of subsidies) or he'll challenge the orders in court as unconstitutional. Though neither of which are going to be timely, considering we can't agree on the legislation as is and the courts have historically been favorable to other emergency declarations during war-time.

Those are both possible. He could also attempt to use the supremacy clause of the constitution.

He cant make private companies open. He can't open broadway, he cant open state schools, he cant lift local rules.

[San Lumen]

he could in theory make a an executive order doing that.

Depends on whether or not one would consider executive orders "laws" by the wording of the supremacy clause. Which might be an open question, I don't know.

I dont know the answer to that either.

[Baltenstein]

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/

But we shouldn't call it kung flu or the chinese virus cause that's allegedly racist.

To be honest, we shouldn't call it Kung Flu because it's really, really cringy.

[Valrifell]

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/

But we shouldn't call it kung flu or the chinese virus cause that's allegedly racist.

You can acknowledge that China is so very in the wrong and accept that the term "Kung Flu" and "Chinese Virus" are both unhelpful at best and racist at worst.

These aren't mutually exclusive positions to have.

[San Lumen]

Those are both possible. He could also attempt to use the supremacy clause of the constitution.

He cant make private companies open. He can't open broadway, he cant open state schools, he cant lift local rules.

He could challenge the orders in court or attempt to bribe states with stimulus package plans to drop their lockdown. An executive order is possible too.

[Jerzylvania]

552 cases, 35 deaths and 20 recoveries as of 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

I wonder if living on a remote tiny Polynesian island is an advantage or disadvantage at this point. On the one hand, you're naturally more isolated from the rest of the world as is. On the other, if even one carrier somehow makes it to your shores, you're screwed.

And the sea level is rising.

[Ethel mermania]

He cant make private companies open. He can't open broadway, he cant open state schools, he cant lift local rules.

He could challenge the orders in court or attempt to bribe states with stimulus package plans to drop their lockdown. An executive order is possible too.

He could do something in a stimulus package, but congress would have to agree and have it in the language.

He really cant issue an executive order to lessen restrictions of the states. The presidency doesnt have that kind of local power. If there were a national declaration, he could loosen that, but its not.

[San Lumen]

He could challenge the orders in court or attempt to bribe states with stimulus package plans to drop their lockdown. An executive order is possible too.

He could do something in a stimulus package, but congress would have to agree and have it in the language.

He really cant issue an executive order to lessen restrictions of the states. The presidency doesnt have that kind of local power. If there were a national declaration, he could loosen that, but its not.

Hasn't he made a national declaration?

[Ifreann]

Can we get China labbeld as biological terrorists? Not because they started the virus, they didn't, but because they did jack shit to stop and because they continue to do jack shit to stop it

Then what do we call America, who are now planning to cancel efforts to slow the spread of the virus?

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Weird how this pandemic is making some people take their masks off.

This bullshit ain't weird, it's criminal, it's criminal. Criminal. Criminal.

I promise you that the ordinary functions of capitalism are not criminal under capitalism.

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Weird how this pandemic is making some people take their masks off.

At this point if you couldn't tell that Trump values the economy more than human lives, I have a bridge to sell.

I didn't say it's weird that they're going to let people die to make the economy lines go up. I said that it's weird that in a time of pandemic, when people are wearing masks more than normal, capitalists are metaphorically taking their masks off and openly calling for mass deaths to preserve their piles of money.

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People who support him can shrug it off so long as the death toll doesn't reach flu levels. This cannot backfire on him till it's way too late.

Once cases go up again (which they will regardless) he's gonna flip-flop again on it. It's basically depending whatever media (or foxnews) is pushing the most atm.

turning a big dial taht says "Deaths" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right

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Just got a text message from the government telling me to stay indoors. I can't reply to it though as the reply functionality for this particular message is disabled.

I got it just after 11. Every phone in the country is getting it.

Any word on the giant lasagne?

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He cant make private companies open. He can't open broadway, he cant open state schools, he cant lift local rules.

He could challenge the orders in court or attempt to bribe states with stimulus package plans to drop their lockdown. An executive order is possible too.

An executive order to do what? What can the executive branch possibly be ordered to do to end state level policies?

[Valrifell]

He could do something in a stimulus package, but congress would have to agree and have it in the language.

He really cant issue an executive order to lessen restrictions of the states. The presidency doesnt have that kind of local power. If there were a national declaration, he could loosen that, but its not.

Hasn't he made a national declaration?

No, the CDC has only released guidelines.

[San Lumen]

Can we get China labbeld as biological terrorists? Not because they started the virus, they didn't, but because they did jack shit to stop and because they continue to do jack shit to stop it

Then what do we call America, who are now planning to cancel efforts to slow the spread of the virus?

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This bullshit ain't weird, it's criminal, it's criminal. Criminal. Criminal.

I promise you that the ordinary functions of capitalism are not criminal under capitalism.

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At this point if you couldn't tell that Trump values the economy more than human lives, I have a bridge to sell.

I didn't say it's weird that they're going to let people die to make the economy lines go up. I said that it's weird that in a time of pandemic, when people are wearing masks more than often, capitalists are metaphorically taking their masks off and openly calling for mass deaths to preserve their piles of money.

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Once cases go up again (which they will regardless) he's gonna flip-flop again on it. It's basically depending whatever media (or foxnews) is pushing the most atm.

turning a big dial taht says "Deaths" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right

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I got it just after 11. Every phone in the country is getting it.

Any word on the giant lasagne?

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He could challenge the orders in court or attempt to bribe states with stimulus package plans to drop their lockdown. An executive order is possible too.

An executive order to do what? What can the executive branch possibly be ordered to do to end state level policies?

To lift restrictions. There is a debate as to whether executive orders can be considered law under the supremacy clause.

[Ethel mermania]

Then what do we call America, who are now planning to cancel efforts to slow the spread of the virus?

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I promise you that the ordinary functions of capitalism are not criminal under capitalism.

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I didn't say it's weird that they're going to let people die to make the economy lines go up. I said that it's weird that in a time of pandemic, when people are wearing masks more than often, capitalists are metaphorically taking their masks off and openly calling for mass deaths to preserve their piles of money.

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turning a big dial taht says "Deaths" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right

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Any word on the giant lasagne?

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An executive order to do what? What can the executive branch possibly be ordered to do to end state level policies?

To lift restrictions. There is a debate as to whether executive orders can be considered law under the supremacy clause.

Not by people who understand constitutional law.

[Ifreann]

Then what do we call America, who are now planning to cancel efforts to slow the spread of the virus?

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I promise you that the ordinary functions of capitalism are not criminal under capitalism.

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I didn't say it's weird that they're going to let people die to make the economy lines go up. I said that it's weird that in a time of pandemic, when people are wearing masks more than often, capitalists are metaphorically taking their masks off and openly calling for mass deaths to preserve their piles of money.

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turning a big dial taht says "Deaths" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right

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Any word on the giant lasagne?

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An executive order to do what? What can the executive branch possibly be ordered to do to end state level policies?

To lift restrictions. There is a debate as to whether executive orders can be considered law under the supremacy clause.

How can the executive branch lift restrictions put in place by the states?

[San Lumen]

To lift restrictions. There is a debate as to whether executive orders can be considered law under the supremacy clause.

How can the executive branch lift restrictions put in place by the states?

Did I not just say how?

[Ifreann]

How can the executive branch lift restrictions put in place by the states?

Did I not just say how?

No. State governments are not part of the federal executive branch, obviously, and therefore are no more subject to executive orders than you are subject to military orders. You have done nothing to explain how this would work.

[New Visayan Islands]

552 cases, 35 deaths and 20 recoveries as of 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

I wonder if living on a remote tiny Polynesian island is an advantage or disadvantage at this point. On the one hand, you're naturally more isolated from the rest of the world as is. On the other, if even one carrier somehow makes it to your shores, you're screwed.

To that, the answer in one word is "yes."

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I'm sure the President has some lever he could pull, and despite it being clearly marked in red FOR EMERGENCIES ONLY, he hasn't found it yet.

[Valrifell]

To lift restrictions. There is a debate as to whether executive orders can be considered law under the supremacy clause.

Not by people who understand constitutional law.

Executive orders need to have the backing of existing law or need to be limited to executive departments/the military, fun fact.

[Ifreann]

Not by people who understand constitutional law.

Executive orders need to have the backing of existing law or need to be limited to executive departments/the military, fun fact.

Mhmm. Executive orders are just that, orders from the head of the executive to his subordinates.

[San Lumen]

Executive orders need to have the backing of existing law or need to be limited to executive departments/the military, fun fact.

Mhmm. Executive orders are just that, orders from the head of the executive to his subordinates.

Therefore what is to stop him from ordering all lockdowns to end and for colleges to bring their students back to campus?