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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:46 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:As for your territorial issues,if I am strong enough, all the territory I want is mine.I am a War Hawk.

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Postby Andsed » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:47 am

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Andsed wrote:And then of course cover up the actual number of infected and deaths and just say you totally 100 percent have it under control.

I don't see why anyone would believe that. The Chinese government has literally nothing to gain from lying about a plague that if unchecked would only gut their own source of power and income. Western propagandists on the other hand have every reason to spread such stories to undermine China.

Of course they have shit to gain. They can claim they controlled the virus better than other nations and cover up how badly the fucked up. Besides the idea that a nation as densely populated as China where the virus began only has around 80,000 cases is a ludicrous one. Not to mention satellite images picked up evidence indicating mass cremations. China is clearly not giving the accurate number of total number of cases. And this is the CCP a government that lies and covers shit up all the time, this would not be new for them.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:47 am

Purpelia wrote:
Andsed wrote:And then of course cover up the actual number of infected and deaths and just say you totally 100 percent have it under control.

I don't see why anyone would believe that. The Chinese government has literally nothing to gain from lying about a plague that if unchecked would only gut their own source of power and income. Western propagandists on the other hand have every reason to spread such stories to undermine China.

If China would be undermined by stories about their incompetence and corruption, then doesn't it follow that they do, in fact, have every reason to cover up the scale of their incompetence and corruption?
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Postby Diahon » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:48 am

Purpelia wrote:
Andsed wrote:And then of course cover up the actual number of infected and deaths and just say you totally 100 percent have it under control.

I don't see why anyone would believe that. The Chinese government has literally nothing to gain from lying about a plague that if unchecked would only gut their own source of power and income. Western propagandists on the other hand have every reason to spread such stories to undermine China.


does trump have any reason to do half the shit he does? no, he does things out of narcissism and spite and all those irrational impulses that drive the authoritarian -- and that's within the confines of a democracy! what more an authoritarian who can now call all the shots within his own realm?

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:48 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, shitting on China is great and all, but all that rage and finger pointing isn’t going to help us now in our current situation.


No, but it's a helpful distraction from how the US government is bungling its own response to the crisis.
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Postby Diahon » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:52 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, shitting on China is great and all, but all that rage and finger pointing isn’t going to help us now in our current situation.


that rage would be better directed at demanding accountability, or in the case of the us, revolt, overthrow, and then accountability

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:52 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, shitting on China is great and all, but all that rage and finger pointing isn’t going to help us now in our current situation.

They could have prevented this by stopping air travel from their country as soon as it started

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:56 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, shitting on China is great and all, but all that rage and finger pointing isn’t going to help us now in our current situation.

They could have prevented this by stopping air travel from their country as soon as it started

That wouldn't have prevented the pandemic. Covid 19 can take up to two weeks to show symptoms. How do you prevent the spread of a virus weeks before you even know it exists?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They could have prevented this by stopping air travel from their country as soon as it started

That wouldn't have prevented the pandemic. Covid 19 can take up to two weeks to show symptoms. How do you prevent the spread of a virus weeks before you even know it exists?

It was quite obvious what was happening. If I was president of China I would have closed the borders

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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:They could have prevented this by stopping air travel from their country as soon as it started

That wouldn't have prevented the pandemic. Covid 19 can take up to two weeks to show symptoms. How do you prevent the spread of a virus weeks before you even know it exists?



But knowing that a virus exists can use AI to analyze a patient's trajectory of action.The chain of infection can be cut off after controlling all contacts.If that patients report their physical condition honestly.WHO believes that COVID-19 is less effective than influenza in transmission.But the key is that when there is insufficient evidence of a pandemic, those who take these measures are considered mentally ill.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:08 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, shitting on China is great and all, but all that rage and finger pointing isn’t going to help us now in our current situation.


No, but it's a helpful distraction from how the US government is bungling its own response to the crisis.

It’s the kind of chest beating nonsense that can start wars. “Those *insert ‘evil enemy’ here* gave us this virus, so now we’re gonna give them death!” or some shit like that.

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, shitting on China is great and all, but all that rage and finger pointing isn’t going to help us now in our current situation.


that rage would be better directed at demanding accountability, or in the case of the us, revolt, overthrow, and then accountability

You had a nation DEAT’d for advocating illegal activity when you were demanding revolt last year, so it might not be best to continue that trend again. /notamodbutjustsayin

Besides, what is a revolt going to do for us now? Make our bad situation even worse and get many more people killed, probably more so than Coronavirus could ever claim. You think 200,000 dead from corona would be bad? Imagine piling tens of millions more on top of from not just corona, but from this boogaloo you just started.

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, shitting on China is great and all, but all that rage and finger pointing isn’t going to help us now in our current situation.

They could have prevented this by stopping air travel from their country as soon as it started

Hindsight is always 20/20, but looking back it’s still a bit fuzzy.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:11 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That wouldn't have prevented the pandemic. Covid 19 can take up to two weeks to show symptoms. How do you prevent the spread of a virus weeks before you even know it exists?



But knowing that a virus exists can use AI to analyze a patient's trajectory of action.The chain of infection can be cut off after controlling all contacts.If that patients report their physical condition honestly.WHO believes that COVID-19 is less effective than influenza in transmission.But the key is that when there is insufficient evidence of a pandemic, those who take these measures are considered mentally ill.

Hopefully we stop the transmission now and don’t have to do all this again

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Postby Diahon » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:12 am

no, my previous nation was deat'd again due to me getting flippant over vakolicci's cavalier spring breaker attitude towards this virus

get it right, yo

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:18 am

Diahon wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, shitting on China is great and all, but all that rage and finger pointing isn’t going to help us now in our current situation.


that rage would be better directed at demanding accountability, or in the case of the us, revolt, overthrow, and then accountability


I'm sure a revolt in the middle of a pandemic would in no way create literal hell on earth.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:22 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, shitting on China is great and all, but all that rage and finger pointing isn’t going to help us now in our current situation.


China ought to be blocked off from the rest of the world till they pay reparations to the international community for the coronavirus and close down all wet markets in their country.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:22 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Diahon wrote:
that rage would be better directed at demanding accountability, or in the case of the us, revolt, overthrow, and then accountability


I'm sure a revolt in the middle of a pandemic would in no way create literal hell on earth.

It wouldn’t.

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Postby Estanglia » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:23 am

Purpelia wrote:
Andsed wrote:And then of course cover up the actual number of infected and deaths and just say you totally 100 percent have it under control.

I don't see why anyone would believe that. The Chinese government has literally nothing to gain from lying about a plague that if unchecked would only gut their own source of power and income. Western propagandists on the other hand have every reason to spread such stories to undermine China.


They have a lot to gain.

If they pretend they've got it under control, when they've not, they can do several things.

Firstly, they can go blame other countries for the rapid spread once they started to get it """under control""", because if they have it under control they can't be spreading it.
Secondly, it can be used as propaganda to support the government. After all, they've got it under control way before almost every other country has, so clearly the CCP is superior to every other government in protecting their people, no?
Thirdly, they make it seem like they're not as badly hit as other countries. France, Germany, Italy, Spain and the US all outnumber China in confirmed cases, sometimes by 100,000+. That makes it seem like they've not been as hard hit as other countries, even if their true number of cases is vastly higher than some of these countries.

And they can do all this whilst preventing it from spreading out of control by fighting the virus but not report cases/deaths to international observers. They're also an authoritarian state with no way or will to hold them accountable for their actions, so it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility for them to do it.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:23 am

So have we actually had a causal link proven between wet markets and the virus, or is this still just the Bushmeat caused Ebola crap again?

Also, why wearing masks isn't the magic bullet people keep insisting it is.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:25 am

Vassenor wrote:So have we actually had a causal link proven between wet markets and the virus, or is this still just the Bushmeat caused Ebola crap again?

Also, why wearing masks isn't the magic bullet people keep insisting it is.


Except many recent pandemics in china did originate in the wet markets aka animal abuse centers, and even Fauci has spoken on the issue.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:25 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'm sure a revolt in the middle of a pandemic would in no way create literal hell on earth.

It wouldn’t.


And how do you think it wouldn't lol
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Postby Estanglia » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'm sure a revolt in the middle of a pandemic would in no way create literal hell on earth.

It wouldn’t.


It would create the perfect conditions for the virus to spread, as you'd have crowds and social contact, attempted revolution against the government means that hospitals would likely have an influx of people injured, and could end up damaged in the revolt.

It might not be literal hell on Earth, but it would be pretty bad. Unless you're talking a quick, clean coup that faces no resistance, which I kinda doubt.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'm sure a revolt in the middle of a pandemic would in no way create literal hell on earth.

It wouldn’t.

It would.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:28 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It wouldn’t.


And how do you think it wouldn't lol

Because we aren’t dealing with airborne Ebola and people need to stop treating it that way

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:29 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
And how do you think it wouldn't lol

Because we aren’t dealing with airborne Ebola and people need to stop treating it that way


Lumen, Dahon is talking about a violent overthrow of the United States government. How would that not cause mass amounts of chaos during a pandemic lol
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