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Postby Novus America » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:45 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Luminesa wrote: :shock:


My life is insane. My mom constantly keeps referring to that one song by Skid Row 18 and Life and saying "don't end up like that guy." Now, just to be clear, I don't partake in violent illegal activities and my weekend mainly consists of drinking fireball and smoking the finest indica in the state, but my mom doesn't trust my friend Xhuliano and worries that he's gonna rope me into some dumb shit. Never mind that I dont hang out with him often and it's usually me, Josh, and maybe Darr, Marco, Steven, Javon, Ronnie, Calvin, Tyler or Jayson. But Detroit was never a nice place to be, so I can't totally fault her for worrying.


Actually Detroit was a nice place, some 60 years ago. Before the late 60s Downtown Detroit was high end luxury, and it was a thriving an wealthy city, considered amongst the best in the country.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:04 pm

So China claims to have 0 new cases of Coronavirus and that everything's totally under control.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan claim to still have new cases everyday and are taking tons of independent actions in order to combat it.

Now the question is, are Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan part of China, as China claims they are? Hm...
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:21 pm

New haven america wrote:So China claims to have 0 new cases of Coronavirus and that everything's totally under control.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan claim to still have new cases everyday and are taking tons of independent actions in order to combat it.

Now the question is, are Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan part of China, as China claims they are? Hm...


Well, first rule of thumb is don't believe anything coming out of China. That said they did take hugely drastic action and they've closed off their borders. Movement is still relatively restricted so I can imagine they're at least over this phase. Also, at least in HK, the majority of cases are from people returning from overseas as opposed to homegrown cases.

Having said that.. one thing that should come out of this all is for Taiwan to simply be recognised as an independent country and be granted admission into the WTO, the WHO - corrupt as they are - as well as any other relevant global body. Possibly the best and only way to hold China to any account is to globally recognise Taiwan, especially their efforts in containing the spread. I'd say the demand can be that either the CCP allows for free and open elections and information or Taiwan becomes independent. The two cannot co-exist in this state anymore.

As I note, HK, SG and Taiwan are proof that open societies that are predominately Chinese can be successful, there is simply no grounds for the CCP to exist frankly.
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:05 am

Bombadil wrote:
New haven america wrote:So China claims to have 0 new cases of Coronavirus and that everything's totally under control.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan claim to still have new cases everyday and are taking tons of independent actions in order to combat it.

Now the question is, are Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan part of China, as China claims they are? Hm...


Well, first rule of thumb is don't believe anything coming out of China. That said they did take hugely drastic action and they've closed off their borders. Movement is still relatively restricted so I can imagine they're at least over this phase. Also, at least in HK, the majority of cases are from people returning from overseas as opposed to homegrown cases.

Having said that.. one thing that should come out of this all is for Taiwan to simply be recognised as an independent country and be granted admission into the WTO, the WHO - corrupt as they are - as well as any other relevant global body. Possibly the best and only way to hold China to any account is to globally recognise Taiwan, especially their efforts in containing the spread. I'd say the demand can be that either the CCP allows for free and open elections and information or Taiwan becomes independent. The two cannot co-exist in this state anymore.

As I note, HK, SG and Taiwan are proof that open societies that are predominately Chinese can be successful, there is simply no grounds for the CCP to exist frankly.



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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:10 am

New haven america wrote:So China claims to have 0 new cases of Coronavirus and that everything's totally under control.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan claim to still have new cases everyday and are taking tons of independent actions in order to combat it.

Now the question is, are Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan part of China, as China claims they are? Hm...


The fact that warehouse shipments of apparently thousands upon thousands of urns have been sighted in the Wuhan region makes me take China's official claims with a huge dose of carefully desinfected salt.
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Postby Page » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:18 am

TIL the plasma industry is "essential." Back when I lived in America years ago I used to sell plasma. You get hooked up for an hour to a machine, they drain your blood, separate the plasma, and put the rest of your blood back. You could do it twice a week and make 40 bucks each individual round. I eventually stopped doing it because it was taking a toll on my immune system, I was getting colds all the time. I definitely wouldn't do it now with the immune system hit plus those places are sketchy as fuck.

Anyway though, I still get emails soliciting the return of old "donors" and today I got an email with a letter attached that one can print out and show to authorities if needed so they can go to the plasma center.

Good luck to anyone still donating plasma. These places tend to attract desperate people.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:21 am

Novus America wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
My life is insane. My mom constantly keeps referring to that one song by Skid Row 18 and Life and saying "don't end up like that guy." Now, just to be clear, I don't partake in violent illegal activities and my weekend mainly consists of drinking fireball and smoking the finest indica in the state, but my mom doesn't trust my friend Xhuliano and worries that he's gonna rope me into some dumb shit. Never mind that I dont hang out with him often and it's usually me, Josh, and maybe Darr, Marco, Steven, Javon, Ronnie, Calvin, Tyler or Jayson. But Detroit was never a nice place to be, so I can't totally fault her for worrying.


Actually Detroit was a nice place, some 60 years ago. Before the late 60s Downtown Detroit was high end luxury, and it was a thriving an wealthy city, considered amongst the best in the country.
With a population of more than 1 and a half million.

At one point the "Paris of the Midwest". Sounds like I'm funnin', look it up. (not Novus, they probably already knew that...you, the one scoffing, you look it up...)
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:22 am

New haven america wrote:So China claims to have 0 new cases of Coronavirus and that everything's totally under control.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan claim to still have new cases everyday and are taking tons of independent actions in order to combat it.

Now the question is, are Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan part of China, as China claims they are? Hm...



They can claim “their system works better”
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:47 am

Bombadil wrote:
New haven america wrote:So China claims to have 0 new cases of Coronavirus and that everything's totally under control.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan claim to still have new cases everyday and are taking tons of independent actions in order to combat it.

Now the question is, are Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan part of China, as China claims they are? Hm...


Well, first rule of thumb is don't believe anything coming out of China. That said they did take hugely drastic action and they've closed off their borders. Movement is still relatively restricted so I can imagine they're at least over this phase. Also, at least in HK, the majority of cases are from people returning from overseas as opposed to homegrown cases.

Having said that.. one thing that should come out of this all is for Taiwan to simply be recognised as an independent country and be granted admission into the WTO, the WHO - corrupt as they are - as well as any other relevant global body. Possibly the best and only way to hold China to any account is to globally recognise Taiwan, especially their efforts in containing the spread. I'd say the demand can be that either the CCP allows for free and open elections and information or Taiwan becomes independent. The two cannot co-exist in this state anymore.

As I note, HK, SG and Taiwan are proof that open societies that are predominately Chinese can be successful, there is simply no grounds for the CCP to exist frankly.


If you can’t trust chinas numbers, you can’t trust what methods they claim to be using either.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:50 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Well, first rule of thumb is don't believe anything coming out of China. That said they did take hugely drastic action and they've closed off their borders. Movement is still relatively restricted so I can imagine they're at least over this phase. Also, at least in HK, the majority of cases are from people returning from overseas as opposed to homegrown cases.

Having said that.. one thing that should come out of this all is for Taiwan to simply be recognised as an independent country and be granted admission into the WTO, the WHO - corrupt as they are - as well as any other relevant global body. Possibly the best and only way to hold China to any account is to globally recognise Taiwan, especially their efforts in containing the spread. I'd say the demand can be that either the CCP allows for free and open elections and information or Taiwan becomes independent. The two cannot co-exist in this state anymore.

As I note, HK, SG and Taiwan are proof that open societies that are predominately Chinese can be successful, there is simply no grounds for the CCP to exist frankly.


If you can’t trust chinas numbers, you can’t trust what methods they claim to be using either.


Meanwhile the global games go on.. https://www.ft.com/content/e47a8cf4-786 ... 4a6a198840?
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Postby Moscareinas » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:53 am

so apparently cats can be carriers of this virus

which only proves that dogs aren't only man's best friends, but that cats are bad luck
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Postby The Grims » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:59 am

Moscareinas wrote:so apparently cats can be carriers of this virus

which only proves that dogs aren't only man's best friends, but that cats are bad luck


Except we have known for months that digs can be carriers as well.

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Postby Moscareinas » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:04 am

The Grims wrote:
Moscareinas wrote:so apparently cats can be carriers of this virus

which only proves that dogs aren't only man's best friends, but that cats are bad luck


Except we have known for months that digs can be carriers as well.


not necessarily the case, as the dog simply have had traces of this virus in its fur for being so long in contact with its infected owner and so tested positive for it instead of being truly infected

overall, dogs rule, cats can meow themselves
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:54 am

Cats and dogs can both contract coronavirus

"Given that there are about 150 million dogs and cats in the United States alone, if pets could readily catch COVID-19, we would be seeing tons of cases of by now,"

Pets don't catch it easily. Or transmit it easily to humans. So that's good I guess.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:05 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Cats and dogs can both contract coronavirus

"Given that there are about 150 million dogs and cats in the United States alone, if pets could readily catch COVID-19, we would be seeing tons of cases of by now,"

Pets don't catch it easily. Or transmit it easily to humans. So that's good I guess.

Good Post, I had been wondering if Dogs and Cats could get the Virus, Dogs, Cats and Pets are family.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:05 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Cats and dogs can both contract coronavirus

"Given that there are about 150 million dogs and cats in the United States alone, if pets could readily catch COVID-19, we would be seeing tons of cases of by now,"

Pets don't catch it easily. Or transmit it easily to humans. So that's good I guess.

I really hope people don’t use this information to start culling their pets, that would be horrible.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:15 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Cats and dogs can both contract coronavirus

"Given that there are about 150 million dogs and cats in the United States alone, if pets could readily catch COVID-19, we would be seeing tons of cases of by now,"

Pets don't catch it easily. Or transmit it easily to humans. So that's good I guess.

I really hope people don’t use this information to start culling their pets, that would be horrible.


I think most people who want rid of their pets can't actually bring themselves to kill the animal. And a vet won't do it for them.

So they abandon the animal at a shelter (which would be bad in this case, shelters would be overwhelmed) or just abandon them on the street where they're likely taken to a shelter.

All pretty bad options, and I hope instead that pet owners try to keep their animal from having close contact with other animals from outside the home. Just keep a dog- or cat-specific coronavirus from evolving and the vast majority of animals will be fine!
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Postby Zapato » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:16 am

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Can't blame them, wasn't it a Texas Lt. Governor who said he was fine with dying so long as people could have fun?

The Texas Lt. Governor was the guy who said people should be happy to die for the benefit of the stock market. The Florida Lt. Governor is the one who said people would be happy dying if they had some fun first.


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Postby Bombadil » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:20 am

Zapato wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Can't blame them, wasn't it a Texas Lt. Governor who said he was fine with dying so long as people could have fun?

The Texas Lt. Governor was the guy who said people should be happy to die for the benefit of the stock market. The Florida Lt. Governor is the one who said people would be happy dying if they had some fun first.


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Postby Zapato » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:22 am

Bombadil wrote:
Zapato wrote:The Texas Lt. Governor was the guy who said people should be happy to die for the benefit of the stock market. The Florida Lt. Governor is the one who said people would be happy dying if they had some fun first.


My bad..

Understandable, it's hard to tell those pro-life republicans apart...


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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:32 am

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San Lumen wrote:8 weeks the max you’d have it before people and businesses started to ignore it

Even 6 weeks is being too generous, I think. People would probably start to snap after 4.

You might be right. Our shutdown and stay at home order is likely going to last till the end of this month.i don’t know how I’m going to get through this.

I’m likely going to have multiple emotional meltdowns and when this is over and will probably not be the same as I was

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:37 am

The purpose of lockdown is to slow the curve, and it clearly has done that. If we can't maintain ideally, that will cost lives and is of course regrettable, but the lockdown we did achieve won't have been for nothing.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:38 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:The purpose of lockdown is to slow the curve, and it clearly has done that. If we can't maintain ideally, that will cost lives and is of course regrettable, but the lockdown we did achieve won't have been for nothing.

I get that but it’s also not a long term solution. People will stop listening eventually

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nvm
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