Coronavirus Thread mark II: Official Apocalyptic Edition

[The New California Republic]

You haven't used them up to now, and using them at this point solely to skirt the fringes of the rule would just be incredibly silly.

And I doubt most of your posts on the subject, which consists of complaining about the inconvenience, would be backed up by medical journals.

Disagreeing with measures that have been taken is not encouraging people to ignore medical advice.

It is if it includes suggesting violating recommendations to stay at home, which definitely is medical advice in the current context.

[LRON]

We do it for a month and a bit, two perhaps if necessary and see where that takes us. Given that the Chinese are slowly able to start opening up again after a similar length of time is promising. There is no such thing as fully protecting the economy in events like this. There are acts of nature that will just shock the economy, but the economy will always rise again. Even if there was a depression, it would not be permanent let alone if it was just a recession.

it took 25 years to recover fully from the crash of 1929.

Yes, but it recovered. The Great Depression is also not the only depression to have occurred. Some have lasted some considerable lengths of time, others have been rather short. They also usually result in very, very prosperous boom periods. Depressions get rid of a lot riff raff companies and open up a lot of opportunities for new businesses.

[Fartsniffage]

Since we've all got a bunch of time on our hands, why not try this free game?

https://fold.it/portal/info/about

[San Lumen]

it took 25 years to recover fully from the crash of 1929.

Yes, but it recovered. The Great Depression is also not the only depression to have occurred. Some have lasted some considerable lengths of time, others have been rather short.

It also took a World War. 25 years is a long time

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If I recall correctly, some elements of what Lincoln did were declared unconstitutional by the courts.

Except that habeas corpus can be suspended in periods of rebellion.

I'm not denying that. I'm well aware what the constitution says.

[Ethel mermania]

Nah. They're just saving some cash on re-branding literally everything from the medals down to the free condoms in the athlete village.

A tasteful black marker scribble works wonders.

+1 interweb for you

But I don't mind. It is the 2020 summer Olympics, just in 2021.

[Genivaria]

You fucking idiots.

Florida college students test positive for coronavirus after going on spring break

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronaviru ... 0iu0ez9CpY

[Nakena]

You fucking idiots.

Florida college students test positive for coronavirus after going on spring break

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronaviru ... 0iu0ez9CpY

Flogging might be an approperiate punishment.

[Ifreann]

You're talking about Trump illegally forcing state governments and private organisations to open their doors and suspend locksdowns during a pandemic, it's a bit rich to complain about the constitution being ignored.

I never said he should do that. I merely saying I wouldn't put it past him to try.

When you keep making arguments that Trump can totally do the things that you really really want someone to do, it sounds like you want him to do the thing.

[The New California Republic]

You fucking idiots.

Florida college students test positive for coronavirus after going on spring break

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronaviru ... 0iu0ez9CpY

I think there may be a fair few cases in the coming days and weeks of people that got infected by violating medical recommendations to stay the fuck away from others.

[LRON]

Yes, but it recovered. The Great Depression is also not the only depression to have occurred. Some have lasted some considerable lengths of time, others have been rather short.

It also took a World War. 25 years is a long time

It was recovering before the War. It is, no doubt. It still recovered though, you are speaking as though civilisation itself would collapse and we would be cast down to being hunter-gatherers like the savage Indians of the American Plains going all "Hey how are you, hey how are you, let me scalp you I am Buffalo Child". It is not going to do that, chappy.

[San Lumen]

It also took a World War. 25 years is a long time

It was recovering before the War. It is, not doubt. It still recovered though, you are speaking as though civilization itself would collapse and we would be cast down to being hunter-gatherers like the savage Indians of the American Plains going all "Hey how are you, hey how are you, let me scalp you I am Buffalo Child". It is not going to do that, chappy.

I never implied that.

[Ifreann]

You fucking idiots.

Florida college students test positive for coronavirus after going on spring break

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronaviru ... 0iu0ez9CpY

I think there may be a fair few cases in the coming days and weeks of people that got infected by violating medical recommendations to stay the fuck away from others.

And as much fun as I'm sure we'll all have calling them idiots, talking about how they deserve their fate, etc, perhaps we should also keep in mind the governments advising people that this is all fine, no big deal, totally under control.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

You fucking idiots.

Florida college students test positive for coronavirus after going on spring break

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronaviru ... 0iu0ez9CpY

I wonder how many more they infected.

[San Lumen]

a great editorial from USA Today endorsing why lockdowns are not a long term solution and saying it might not reduce the infection rate.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 898324001/

[LRON]

It was recovering before the War. It is, not doubt. It still recovered though, you are speaking as though civilization itself would collapse and we would be cast down to being hunter-gatherers like the savage Indians of the American Plains going all "Hey how are you, hey how are you, let me scalp you I am Buffalo Child". It is not going to do that, chappy.

I never implied that.

No, you are talking like it however.

[Salandriagado]

With what, exactly?

withholding funds and other aid.

Nope - that's a Congress thing.

Restriction on civil liberties is always an option in extreme national emergencies. Now, it would not have to occur if the average person was not a moron and followed guidelines but here we are.

No it shouldnt be. If people want to be morons that's their choice unless you want a police state

That works right up until they start being morons in a way that kills other of people. There's a reason that we have drink-driving limits.

[Salandriagado]

Well given your recent turn that the economy is more important than saving your healthcare sector from collapsing and scores of people dying tied in with Trump's recent opening that he wants to scale back guidelines in the vain hope that will win him reelection, I kind of assumed you were okay with forcing the lockdowns to end and for people to die. It would seem to be up your boulevard as it were, old chap.

what i have said was you need to strike a balance. Lockdowns cannot be done indefinitely. The world is vastly different from 1918.

If your economy collapses the healthcare sector would be affected too.

In every single way, the world is in a far better position to deal with a long-duration lockdown than a century ago.

[Shamhnan Insir]

what i have said was you need to strike a balance. Lockdowns cannot be done indefinitely. The world is vastly different from 1918.

If your economy collapses the healthcare sector would be affected too.

In every single way, the world is in a far better position to deal with a long-duration lockdown than a century ago.

Yes, however we're a very different world to 100 years ago and time will tell how well we really deal with lockdown.

[San Lumen]

what i have said was you need to strike a balance. Lockdowns cannot be done indefinitely. The world is vastly different from 1918.

If your economy collapses the healthcare sector would be affected too.

In every single way, the world is in a far better position to deal with a long-duration lockdown than a century ago.

Oh really? we didnt have an interconnected economy like we do now. Air travel didnt exist. You didnt have to big to fail back then

[Salandriagado]

A balance could have been struck had we not wasted our opportunity. Westerners however are too used to comfort, too soft and with a warped sense of libertas and pietas, mainly by the lack of the latter. So we did nothing. That moment to strike a balance is over, chap. Let me tell you this, as someone with lots of money - the economy will always bounce back. Dead people do not, unless you believe in zombies or something. If scores of people start dying and are being hospitalized and the healthcare system crashes even more severely I can assure you that the economic consequences of that will be far, far more devastating than a lockdown of a month or two. Investors are like zebras, they are easily scared by the slightest movement in the bush let alone if they started being chased by a lion. What you are proposing. Will. Not. Work.

What;'s your solution then? Keep everything closed until there is a vaccine? You;'ll have no economy, unemployment at record highs. almost every business large and small bankrupt and a government default on the debt.

We've told you. Repeatedly. Hard lockdown until we get down to something that our ICU capacity can deal with, then a phased release to keep it that way.

[Salandriagado]

We do it for a month and a bit, two perhaps if necessary and see where that takes us. Given that the Chinese are slowly able to start opening up again after a similar length of time is promising. There is no such thing as fully protecting the economy in events like this. There are acts of nature that will just shock the economy, but the economy will always rise again. Even if there was a depression, it would not be permanent let alone if it was just a recession.

it took 25 years to recover fully from the crash of 1929.

Which wasn't caused by an external force curtailing economic activity for a period. However, on the two occasions last century when that did happen, economic booms followed thereafter.

[Salandriagado]

In every single way, the world is in a far better position to deal with a long-duration lockdown than a century ago.

Oh really? we didnt have an interconnected economy like we do now. Air travel didnt exist. You didnt have to big to fail back then

We have the internet. We have remote working. The interconnected economy is still going fine. Air travel is far from essential for the economy. I have no clue what relevance you think that your last point has, but it doesn't.

[San Lumen]

Oh really? we didnt have an interconnected economy like we do now. Air travel didnt exist. You didnt have to big to fail back then

We have the internet. We have remote working. The interconnected economy is still going fine. Air travel is far from essential for the economy. I have no clue what relevance you think that your last point has, but it doesn't.

Yeah the stock market is only tanking, the air travel industry is losing money rapidly, Broadway is worried about some shows never opening, and unemployment insurance systems are crashing. yeah things are going great.

[The Ruby Ranch Republic]

Hello there everybody!
The coronavirus thread is reaching 500 glorious pages of discussion, so I thought I'd go create the new one. A link to the old one can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=480001

As the world goes into lockdown, as politics turns truly crazy, as the stockmarket sinks and Eurovision gets cancelled (by the far the worst of the 4), Nationstates forever goes on, so we can discuss what to do about the other things. If you like live feeds that count up the dead like some morbid census, you can find a great one here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Right now, at the start of coronavirus thread 2, there were 11949 deaths. With a vaccine likely to take up to a year to develop, it isn't getting any better soon.

So now, let's chat about this years 'we're all gonna die' moment.

Great, now people are gonna think this is actually happening