Coronavirus Thread mark II: Official Apocalyptic Edition

[Nakena]

I have re-examined my initial panic and have concluded that Trump lacks the power to force governors to lift their stay-at-home orders; he most likely can not single-handedly re-open the economy and most (not all) governors are gonna fight him on this.

It does make him look rather foolish, considering only a week ago we was all "we will fight this virus like the war" and now he's peddling some bullshit about car accidents. I don't ave much faith but the whiplash with regards to his views on the subject should cause people to approve of him less.

You know, should.

There are things he can do, particularly at the borders and what not, but the rest of it, you are right, he cant order the theatres and companies open. Those are private and local.

It is sort of ironic the only thing trump can do is open the borders.

It might increase the big confusion though and theres a lot of gigs like GameStop, Spring Breakers and GVH's who think Corona isn't really a reason to stay at home. It will further undermine the lockdown and contribute to a pandemic spread.

[Vassenor]

I have re-examined my initial panic and have concluded that Trump lacks the power to force governors to lift their stay-at-home orders; he most likely can not single-handedly re-open the economy and most (not all) governors are gonna fight him on this.

It does make him look rather foolish, considering only a week ago we was all "we will fight this virus like the war" and now he's peddling some bullshit about car accidents. I don't ave much faith but the whiplash with regards to his views on the subject should cause people to approve of him less.

You know, should.

Trump may be threatening to force governors to reopen if Dems don't stop trying to poison pill coronavirus stimulus packages. He may be hoping that warmer weather will prevent the spread. He may be full of shit.

Apparently wanting to make sure people aren't left unable to vote because of this crisis is poison pilling legislation now.

[Ethel mermania]

There are things he can do, particularly at the borders and what not, but the rest of it, you are right, he cant order the theatres and companies open. Those are private and local.

It is sort of ironic the only thing trump can do is open the borders.

It might increase the big confusion though and theres a lot of gigs like GameStop, Spring Breakers and GVH's who think Corona isn't really a reason to stay at home. It will further undermine the lockdown and contribute to a pandemic spread.

People think that anyway. Folks in nyc were out playing basketball over the weekend, and we have something like 12 thousand cases, this city does not listen to trump. Or to cuomo for that matter.

[Ethel mermania]

Trump may be threatening to force governors to reopen if Dems don't stop trying to poison pill coronavirus stimulus packages. He may be hoping that warmer weather will prevent the spread. He may be full of shit.

Apparently wanting to make sure people aren't left unable to vote because of this crisis is poison pilling legislation now.

More the climate change adds, but sure that doesnt belong in there either.

[Samudera Darussalam]

I have re-examined my initial panic and have concluded that Trump lacks the power to force governors to lift their stay-at-home orders; he most likely can not single-handedly re-open the economy and most (not all) governors are gonna fight him on this.

It does make him look rather foolish, considering only a week ago we was all "we will fight this virus like the war" and now he's peddling some bullshit about car accidents. I don't ave much faith but the whiplash with regards to his views on the subject should cause people to approve of him less.

You know, should.

Trump may be threatening to force governors to reopen if Dems don't stop trying to poison pill coronavirus stimulus packages. He may be hoping that warmer weather will prevent the spread. He may be full of shit.

Warmer weather may not halt the spread, I guess. I live in a country that is basically located below the equator and the virus is spreading almost like a freaking fire here.
Though, I want to see the development in the North, whether it would help to halt the spread or not.

[Valrifell]

It might increase the big confusion though and theres a lot of gigs like GameStop, Spring Breakers and GVH's who think Corona isn't really a reason to stay at home. It will further undermine the lockdown and contribute to a pandemic spread.

People think that anyway. Folks in nyc were out playing basketball over the weekend, and we have something like 12 thousand cases, this city does not listen to trump. Or to cuomo for that matter.

Probably why the city is being hit so hard. Well, that and the density of the city.

[Zurkerx]

Who knows, but given his approval rating is rising; disapproval decreasing, he sees an opportunity, and a gamble, to increase his chances winning come November though it is a gamble: if he loosens up restrictions and more people get sick, it could backfire on him. But nonetheless, he's riding a high wave right now.

How is his approval rating rising? I can see why people would like the response of people like Fauci to this crisis but Trump has continually dropped the ball on this, and if he "reopens the ecomomy" too soon, he will single handedly kill millions of Americans not out of spite, but because he's a dumbass who is more worried about how the economy (his crown achievement) will look around election time than he is about the safety and security of our people.

This virus struck at one of the worst times it could have in America. I hope the state reopens in a couple weeks but jeez not like tomorrow.

Because Trump is mild manner about it so to them, this "new Trump", must mean he's serious. He is a good manipulator and the people don't know the facts fully, especially his delayed response to the issue though they will care how it ends: no one ever remembers the middle as much.

That would be the contributing factor of the anti-intellectual wave the US is riding right now: the institutions that would otherwise be respected, are viewed with distrust or at least, suspicious. I don't blame people for wanting to get out given they can't sit still, but they are risking their lives nonetheless. If that attitude doesn't change, some people are going to learn the hard way unfortunately.

But, we must note, that as infection rates soar with the highest offices pushing for folks to leave home, people will be calling out of work regardless. Imho, the economy is already in recession, there's no saving it. Just mitigating fallout, but there are better ways to do that without putting lives at risk.

Except now the economy sucks and people are dying because the president told them it was fine.

Indeed but it appears they don't blame him for the economic downturn, at least, for right now. We're in a recession but it's supposed to subside in the third quarter. however, if this goes beyond Memorial Day in the US (end of May), we will have problems.

I have re-examined my initial panic and have concluded that Trump lacks the power to force governors to lift their stay-at-home orders; he most likely can not single-handedly re-open the economy and most (not all) governors are gonna fight him on this.

It does make him look rather foolish, considering only a week ago we was all "we will fight this virus like the war" and now he's peddling some bullshit about car accidents. I don't ave much faith but the whiplash with regards to his views on the subject should cause people to approve of him less.

You know, should.

Should it must but it seems Trump's past antics have numb them and to them, this "new Trump" is such an improvement in their eyes; people do vote on the basis of personality to an extent after all. But yeah, he doesn't have the authority to end it though I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to pressure them to do so. Memorial Day, if this goes past that date, then we need to take this even more seriously.

[Salandriagado]

552 confirmed cases? You're lucky, that's next to nothing in a country of 100 million people. In the US we have like 46,000 confirmed cases and over 500 dead so far.

I know, but that's also a drop in the bucket compared to the total population of your ironically United States.

It's 30 times as many per capita as the Philippines.

[Valrifell]

I have re-examined my initial panic and have concluded that Trump lacks the power to force governors to lift their stay-at-home orders; he most likely can not single-handedly re-open the economy and most (not all) governors are gonna fight him on this.

It does make him look rather foolish, considering only a week ago we was all "we will fight this virus like the war" and now he's peddling some bullshit about car accidents. I don't ave much faith but the whiplash with regards to his views on the subject should cause people to approve of him less.

You know, should.

Trump has no coherent strategy on this and DC appears to be falling apart over the matter.

You know it's bad when members of his own administration (including the Surgeon General and the entire CDC) are contradicting his narrative on the topic.

[Nakena]

Trump may be threatening to force governors to reopen if Dems don't stop trying to poison pill coronavirus stimulus packages. He may be hoping that warmer weather will prevent the spread. He may be full of shit.

Warmer weather may not halt the spread, I guess. I live in a country that is basically located below the equator and the virus is spreading almost like a freaking fire here.
Though, I want to see the development in the North, whether it would help to halt the spread or not.

Population density might be another factor. Its probably a combo and it will take time to figure it out.

[Samudera Darussalam]

There are things he can do, particularly at the borders and what not, but the rest of it, you are right, he cant order the theatres and companies open. Those are private and local.

It is sort of ironic the only thing trump can do is open the borders.

It might increase the big confusion though and theres a lot of gigs like GameStop, Spring Breakers and GVH's who think Corona isn't really a reason to stay at home. It will further undermine the lockdown and contribute to a pandemic spread.

I like the fact that "GVHs" is a new term now.

[Diopolis]

Trump may be threatening to force governors to reopen if Dems don't stop trying to poison pill coronavirus stimulus packages. He may be hoping that warmer weather will prevent the spread. He may be full of shit.

Warmer weather may not halt the spread, I guess. I live in a country that is basically located below the equator and the virus is spreading almost like a freaking fire here.
Though, I want to see the development in the North, whether it would help to halt the spread or not.

High population density may somewhat compensate for that.

[The New California Republic]

Just got a text message from the government telling me to stay indoors. I can't reply to it though as the reply functionality for this particular message is disabled.

[Valrifell]

How is his approval rating rising? I can see why people would like the response of people like Fauci to this crisis but Trump has continually dropped the ball on this, and if he "reopens the ecomomy" too soon, he will single handedly kill millions of Americans not out of spite, but because he's a dumbass who is more worried about how the economy (his crown achievement) will look around election time than he is about the safety and security of our people.

This virus struck at one of the worst times it could have in America. I hope the state reopens in a couple weeks but jeez not like tomorrow.

Because Trump is mild manner about it so to them, this "new Trump", must mean he's serious. He is a good manipulator and the people don't know the facts fully, especially his delayed response to the issue though they will care how it ends: no one ever remembers the middle as much.

But, we must note, that as infection rates soar with the highest offices pushing for folks to leave home, people will be calling out of work regardless. Imho, the economy is already in recession, there's no saving it. Just mitigating fallout, but there are better ways to do that without putting lives at risk.

Except now the economy sucks and people are dying because the president told them it was fine.

Indeed but it appears they don't blame him for the economic downturn, at least, for right now. We're in a recession but it's supposed to subside in the third quarter. however, if this goes beyond Memorial Day in the US (end of May), we will have problems.

I have re-examined my initial panic and have concluded that Trump lacks the power to force governors to lift their stay-at-home orders; he most likely can not single-handedly re-open the economy and most (not all) governors are gonna fight him on this.

It does make him look rather foolish, considering only a week ago we was all "we will fight this virus like the war" and now he's peddling some bullshit about car accidents. I don't ave much faith but the whiplash with regards to his views on the subject should cause people to approve of him less.

You know, should.

Should it must but it seems Trump's past antics have numb them and to them, this "new Trump" is such an improvement in their eyes; people do vote on the basis of personality to an extent after all. But yeah, he doesn't have the authority to end it though I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to pressure them to do so. Memorial Day, if this goes past that date, then we need to take this even more seriously.

It's a viscous cycle, since Trump can't do much directly to end lockdowns, he'll be content to spread his usual misinformation. Driving up infection rates nationally and, as a result, slow the economy even more. The less seriously Trump takes this and the more pressure he puts to reopen the economy, the more likely it is that the pandemic will last longer and we'll get more long-lasting economic blowups.

[San Lumen]

I have re-examined my initial panic and have concluded that Trump lacks the power to force governors to lift their stay-at-home orders; he most likely can not single-handedly re-open the economy and most (not all) governors are gonna fight him on this.

It does make him look rather foolish, considering only a week ago we was all "we will fight this virus like the war" and now he's peddling some bullshit about car accidents. I don't ave much faith but the whiplash with regards to his views on the subject should cause people to approve of him less.

You know, should.

Makes you say he lacks the power to do so?

[Baltenstein]

Just got a text message from the government telling me to stay indoors. I can't reply to it though as the reply functionality for this particular message is disabled.

Well, I mean, what would you want to reply to it? Okey-dokey?

[Samudera Darussalam]

Warmer weather may not halt the spread, I guess. I live in a country that is basically located below the equator and the virus is spreading almost like a freaking fire here.
Though, I want to see the development in the North, whether it would help to halt the spread or not.

Population density might be another factor. Its probably a combo and it will take time to figure it out.

Warmer weather may not halt the spread, I guess. I live in a country that is basically located below the equator and the virus is spreading almost like a freaking fire here.
Though, I want to see the development in the North, whether it would help to halt the spread or not.

High population density may somewhat compensate for that.

True. Until the time we can figure it out, just....assume that it's still as infectious. For precaution.

[Ethel mermania]

People think that anyway. Folks in nyc were out playing basketball over the weekend, and we have something like 12 thousand cases, this city does not listen to trump. Or to cuomo for that matter.

Probably why the city is being hit so hard. Well, that and the density of the city.

Two international airports, and a huge freight port, didnt help as well.

[New Visayan Islands]

552 cases, 35 deaths and 20 recoveries as of 1600 PHT/0400 EDT.

[Lamoni]

(replying to Liriena)

No. If I could stomach your choice of sources, which ranged from self-defeating to self-incriminating to just plain lazy, you can certainly stomach my own painfully milquetoast choice of a source.

I don't need to look at your source if it's from puppet-controlled left-wing propaganda machines like USA Today. Find something better.

So France, Italy, Spain, Argentina and New Zealand are all communist, centrally planned countries?

wtf communism won and nobody told me yaaaas

They don't have a federal system like the US does. Unlike them, the US leans on states to do a considerable amount of regional work whereas those countries wholly rely on the capitals to do everything for the provinces.

That's not a thing.

The CCP intentionally became incompetent in how it's supposed to handle a virus so that they can let the Wuhan Virus run its course and ravage the world.

Cool conspiracy theory. Do you also sell brain pills

Yes, evidently based on this thread you need a whole prescription.

Rijkenlandd,
*** Warning for Flaming ***
That is enough with insulting your fellow posters, Rijkenlandd. Liriena may have set you up for it with the brain pills line, but you don't have to issue a direct insult in response. Also, left wing or not, USA Today is a reliable and respectable journalistic source, you cannot just ignore it.

Liriena,
*** Warning for Flamebait ***
Rijkenlandd would not have flamed you, had you not baited them into doing so with the brain pills line.

I am going to further suggest that you both put each other on your respective foe lists. Since your sources (the Washington Post article, and the USA Today article respectively) are both factual, I will not be hammering either of you for misinformation as regards COVID-19. But I will say that you both need to put each other on your respective foe lists, and calm down.

[Valrifell]

I have re-examined my initial panic and have concluded that Trump lacks the power to force governors to lift their stay-at-home orders; he most likely can not single-handedly re-open the economy and most (not all) governors are gonna fight him on this.

It does make him look rather foolish, considering only a week ago we was all "we will fight this virus like the war" and now he's peddling some bullshit about car accidents. I don't ave much faith but the whiplash with regards to his views on the subject should cause people to approve of him less.

You know, should.

Makes you say he lacks the power to do so?

Because all of the lockdown orders have been state-led initiatives. It's typically very difficult for the Federal government to directly interfere with the affairs of the states.

I suspect he'll either try and use his stimulus package plans to incentive the states to drop lockdown (if you reopen we'll give you a lot of subsidies) or he'll challenge the orders in court as unconstitutional. Though neither of which are going to be timely, considering we can't agree on the legislation as is and the courts have historically been favorable to other emergency declarations during war-time.

[San Lumen]

Makes you say he lacks the power to do so?

Because all of the lockdown orders have been state-led initiatives. It's typically very difficult for the Federal government to directly interfere with the affairs of the states.

I suspect he'll either try and use his stimulus package plans to incentive the states to drop lockdown (if you reopen we'll give you a lot of subsidies) or he'll challenge the orders in court as unconstitutional. Though neither of which are going to be timely, considering we can't agree on the legislation as is and the courts have historically been favorable to other emergency declarations during war-time.

Those are both possible. He could also attempt to use the supremacy clause of the constitution.

[The New California Republic]

Just got a text message from the government telling me to stay indoors. I can't reply to it though as the reply functionality for this particular message is disabled.

Well, I mean, what would you want to reply to it? Okey-dokey?

I was gonna say "Yes I'm fine, stop worrying about me. Can you pick up milk on the way home? Hugs and kisses. Xoxox."

[Fartsniffage]

Just got a text message from the government telling me to stay indoors. I can't reply to it though as the reply functionality for this particular message is disabled.

I got it just after 11. Every phone in the country is getting it.

[Ethel mermania]

Just got a text message from the government telling me to stay indoors. I can't reply to it though as the reply functionality for this particular message is disabled.

When I become supreme ruler, anyone who sends out emails or texts that can not be replied too will be imprisoned one day for each individual message or text sent.