Abortion Law Reform Passes in New Zealand

[Albrenia]

Savonarola? I'm pretty sure you're confusing him with this guy:

That meme hit me deep in the funnybone.

Is it bad that I can identify the fox as Robin Hood from the cartoon version of said tale?

[Kowani]

That meme hit me deep in the funnybone.

Is it bad that I can identify the fox as Robin Hood from the cartoon version of said tale?

Nah.

[New Bremerton]

I mean, we don't force people to donate blood or organs to save someone else, so why should someone who gets pregnant have to be forced to carry the fetus to term?

Yes, even if we assume the foetus for the sake of argument is a person, the question as to why the foetus gets a right that no other person has, i.e. to use another person's body against their will, for the foetus to override the bodily sovereignty of the woman and use her body in order for their own life to be saved, has not been answered in half a dozen of these abortion threads. Nobody, nobody, else has that right; so why the foetus gets it is unknown.

If a fetus even has such a right, we might as well legalize rape, because unwanted pregnancy is the equivalent of being raped and tortured slowly for nine months with an extremely agonizing and traumatic climax at the end. Imagine inflicting this horrific shit on an 11-year-old girl who was raped by her uncle or stepfather. We're talking actual, functional, biological differences warranting special consideration by the government and not some vague, discriminatory affirmative action nonsense such as enforcing a 50% gender quota within the membership of a left-leaning political party that benefits only one gender because wHiTe mAn bAd.

Abortion should be free, safe, legal, accessible and confidential for all women and girls (and trans men and boys with uteri) with no risk of judgment or ridicule. It's interesting that it's mostly Christians and Catholics who have a problem with this. Even Muslims tend to be more relaxed when it comes to abortion.

[Agarntrop]

Yes, even if we assume the foetus for the sake of argument is a person, the question as to why the foetus gets a right that no other person has, i.e. to use another person's body against their will, for the foetus to override the bodily sovereignty of the woman and use her body in order for their own life to be saved, has not been answered in half a dozen of these abortion threads. Nobody, nobody, else has that right; so why the foetus gets it is unknown.

If a fetus even has such a right, we might as well legalize rape, because unwanted pregnancy is the equivalent of being raped and tortured slowly for nine months with an extremely agonizing and traumatic climax at the end. Imagine inflicting this horrific shit on an 11-year-old girl who was raped by her uncle or stepfather. We're talking actual, functional, biological differences warranting special consideration by the government and not some vague, discriminatory affirmative action nonsense such as enforcing a 50% gender quota within the membership of a left-leaning political party that benefits only one gender because wHiTe mAn bAd.

Abortion should be free, safe, legal, accessible and confidential for all women and girls (and trans men and boys with uteri) with no risk of judgment or ridicule. It's interesting that it's mostly Christians and Catholics who have a problem with this. Even Muslims tend to be more relaxed when it comes to abortion.

Christians tend be more relaxed than muslims over LGBT issues, wheras muslims tend to be more relaxed over abortions, it's strange.

[Australian rePublic]

Yes, even if we assume the foetus for the sake of argument is a person, the question as to why the foetus gets a right that no other person has, i.e. to use another person's body against their will, for the foetus to override the bodily sovereignty of the woman and use her body in order for their own life to be saved, has not been answered in half a dozen of these abortion threads. Nobody, nobody, else has that right; so why the foetus gets it is unknown.

If a fetus even has such a right, we might as well legalize rape, because unwanted pregnancy is the equivalent of being raped and tortured slowly for nine months with an extremely agonizing and traumatic climax at the end. Imagine inflicting this horrific shit on an 11-year-old girl who was raped by her uncle or stepfather. We're talking actual, functional, biological differences warranting special consideration by the government and not some vague, discriminatory affirmative action nonsense such as enforcing a 50% gender quota within the membership of a left-leaning political party that benefits only one gender because wHiTe mAn bAd.

Abortion should be free, safe, legal, accessible and confidential for all women and girls (and trans men and boys with uteri) with no risk of judgment or ridicule. It's interesting that it's mostly Christians and Catholics who have a problem with this. Even Muslims tend to be more relaxed when it comes to abortion.

Abortion due to rape is due to abortion to irresponsibility

[The New California Republic]

Abortion due to rape is due to abortion to irresponsibility

...what...?

[Heloin]

Abortion due to rape is due to abortion to irresponsibility

I'll need a translation guide for this.

[Nakena]

Christians tend be more relaxed than muslims over LGBT issues, wheras muslims tend to be more relaxed over abortions, it's strange.

Not really. It just depends on the take.

[Vassenor]

If a fetus even has such a right, we might as well legalize rape, because unwanted pregnancy is the equivalent of being raped and tortured slowly for nine months with an extremely agonizing and traumatic climax at the end. Imagine inflicting this horrific shit on an 11-year-old girl who was raped by her uncle or stepfather. We're talking actual, functional, biological differences warranting special consideration by the government and not some vague, discriminatory affirmative action nonsense such as enforcing a 50% gender quota within the membership of a left-leaning political party that benefits only one gender because wHiTe mAn bAd.

Abortion should be free, safe, legal, accessible and confidential for all women and girls (and trans men and boys with uteri) with no risk of judgment or ridicule. It's interesting that it's mostly Christians and Catholics who have a problem with this. Even Muslims tend to be more relaxed when it comes to abortion.

Abortion due to rape is due to abortion to irresponsibility

Where the irresponsibility is what and on the part of whom?

[Australian rePublic]

Abortion due to rape is due to abortion to irresponsibility

...what...?

What do you mean, what? If a woman was raped it's very different to having copious amounts of sex and failing to use contraception. You're killing an innocent baby either, but at least if the sex wasn't your fault, then it's the lesser of two evils if you want to terminate it. If you have sex irresponsibly (lack of contraception, having sex whilst ovulating, etc.) Then that's irresponsible, and your poor baby shouldn't have to die because of your irresponsibility. Men aren't off the hook either. I'm sure that there are ways that men can avoid impregnating women. I don't know about the ins and outs of sex, as I am a virgin, but I'm sure there are ways that men can avoid it. One thing, for example, would be spilling your sperm. Of coarse, the easiest way to avoid unwanted pregnancy is abstance, but since that's not gonna happen, at least be responsible. And before you criticise me of misogyny, keep in mind, this applies to both men and women. I am a man, and I am a 24 year old virgin.

[The New California Republic]

Abortion due to rape is due to abortion to irresponsibility

I'll need a translation guide for this.

It looks as if he is trying to victim blame the person that has been raped, but I really hope that isn't what he is saying.

[Australian rePublic]

I'll need a translation guide for this.

It looks as if he is trying to victim blame the person that has been raped, but I really hope that isn't what he is saying.

No, sorry, what I meant to say was abortion due to rape is different to abortion due to irresponsibility. If one was raped, then an abortion is acceptable, but if one was irresponsible, than an abortion is murdering an unborn baby

[The New California Republic]

Abortion due to rape is due to abortion to irresponsibility

...what...?

What do you mean, what? If a woman was raped it's very different to having copious amounts of sex and failing to use contraception. You're killing an innocent baby either, but at least if the sex wasn't your fault, then it's the lesser of two evils if you want to terminate it. If you have sex irresponsibly (lack of contraception, having sex whilst ovulating, etc.) Then that's irresponsible, and your poor baby shouldn't have to die because of your irresponsibility. Men aren't off the hook either. I'm sure that there are ways that men can avoid impregnating women. I don't know about the ins and outs of sex, as I am a virgin, but I'm sure there are ways that men can avoid it. One thing, for example, would be spilling your sperm. Of coarse, the easiest way to avoid unwanted pregnancy is abstance, but since that's not gonna happen, at least be responsible. And before you criticise me of misogyny, keep in mind, this applies to both men and women. I am a man, and I am a 24 year old virgin.

That was not at all clear from what you posted. However, the "clarification" itself is still a fucking mess.

[Australian rePublic]

What do you mean, what? If a woman was raped it's very different to having copious amounts of sex and failing to use contraception. You're killing an innocent baby either, but at least if the sex wasn't your fault, then it's the lesser of two evils if you want to terminate it. If you have sex irresponsibly (lack of contraception, having sex whilst ovulating, etc.) Then that's irresponsible, and your poor baby shouldn't have to die because of your irresponsibility. Men aren't off the hook either. I'm sure that there are ways that men can avoid impregnating women. I don't know about the ins and outs of sex, as I am a virgin, but I'm sure there are ways that men can avoid it. One thing, for example, would be spilling your sperm. Of coarse, the easiest way to avoid unwanted pregnancy is abstance, but since that's not gonna happen, at least be responsible. And before you criticise me of misogyny, keep in mind, this applies to both men and women. I am a man, and I am a 24 year old virgin.

That was not at all clear from what you posted. However, the "clarification" itself is still a fucking mess.

Abortion after rape= acceptable
Abortion when not rape= murder

[Vassenor]

That was not at all clear from what you posted. However, the "clarification" itself is still a fucking mess.

Abortion after rape= acceptable
Abortion when not rape= murder

So we're back to demonising women for exercising control over their own bodies?

[Nakena]

Abortion after rape= acceptable
Abortion when not rape= murder

So we're back to demonising women for exercising control over their own bodies?

Yes.

However you defended this religion and belief system.

[Vassenor]

So we're back to demonising women for exercising control over their own bodies?

Yes.

However you defended this religion and belief system.

Sorry, was there an actual point you were trying to make here? Or are you just dredging up posts from entirely unrelated threads just to hurl your own faeces around?

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

That was not at all clear from what you posted. However, the "clarification" itself is still a fucking mess.

Abortion after rape= acceptable
Abortion when not rape= murder

Except it is not.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So we're back to demonising women for exercising control over their own bodies?

Yes.

However you defended this religion and belief system.

What possible reason would you have to quote yourself from another thread?

Like Vassenor said, you're just throwing your own shit now.

[Nakena]

Yes.

However you defended this religion and belief system.

Sorry, was there an actual point you were trying to make here? Or are you just dredging up posts from entirely unrelated threads just to hurl your own faeces around?

My point: Your criticism of abrahamite morals and practices is inherently dishonest.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

That was not at all clear from what you posted. However, the "clarification" itself is still a fucking mess.

Abortion after rape= acceptable
Abortion when not rape= murder

This is a drastic reduction of what you said earlier.

What about if a woman uses contraception, and her partner does too, and she still gets pregnant?

Is it "acceptable" or is it "murder" to then get a termination?

[Minimark]

That was not at all clear from what you posted. However, the "clarification" itself is still a fucking mess.

Abortion after rape= acceptable
Abortion when not rape= murder

It is murder because yes the fetus is in the body, but it is a seperate body. Since it has most of the essentials to be a human being, and since all human beings have rights, it should be illegal to kill that human being.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Abortion after rape= acceptable
Abortion when not rape= murder

It is murder because yes the fetus is in the body, but it is a seperate body. Since it has most of the essentials to be a human being, and since all human beings have rights, it should be illegal to kill that human being.

You pretend to be agreeing with ArP but actually you're contradicting half of their post.

"Abortion after rape= acceptable"

Yes or no.

[Vassenor]

Abortion after rape= acceptable
Abortion when not rape= murder

It is murder because yes the fetus is in the body, but it is a seperate body. Since it has most of the essentials to be a human being, and since all human beings have rights, it should be illegal to kill that human being.

And in this case the Fetus magically has a right that no-one else gets - the right to use another person's body without their consent.

[The New California Republic]

That was not at all clear from what you posted. However, the "clarification" itself is still a fucking mess.

Abortion after rape= acceptable
Abortion when not rape= murder

Except it isn't.