Abortion Law Reform Passes in New Zealand

[Polding]

‘This trouble has come to pass by deceit of the ancient enemy who always grudges, always hates good deeds. No concession should ever be made to him.’

I don't see what Trump has to do with this.

it's a joke it's a joke calm down

Don’t worry, I know. My own comment is meant to be facetious, if true somewhat to my opinion, it’s from St. Ardo’s Life of St. Benedict of Aniane and doesn’t have anything to do with abortion in the text (though it fits rather well, non?)

‘This trouble has come to pass by deceit of the ancient enemy who always grudges, always hates good deeds. No concession should ever be made to him.’

Except God created everything.

Kind of a big part of being omnipotent, and how dare you claim the Holy Father didn't invent something he obviously did.

Your question is just an obvious snare set out for me; so that, when I answer, you may flaunt your ignorance about Christianity, Islam or Judaism or [insert religion here] and wear me down until I give up. I’ll ignore you instead.

[New haven america]

I don't see what Trump has to do with this.

it's a joke it's a joke calm down

Don’t worry, I know. My own comment is meant to be facetious, if true somewhat to my opinion.

Except God created everything.

Kind of a big part of being omnipotent, and how dare you claim the Holy Father didn't invent something he obviously did.

Your question is just an obvious snare set out for me; so that, when I answer, you may flaunt your ignorance about Christianity, Islam or Judaism or [insert religion here] and wear me down until I give up. I’ll ignore you instead.

Thank you for admitting that your argument sucks.

[Albrenia]

Fun fact: Adam could grow wheat. Bread is the first thing he ever ate on Earth.

Uhm, I know it's a bit of a derail but what did he eat while the field was growing or the process of building the tools for making bread was going on?

[Sundiata]

And it's always a shame.

Yep, accidently falling down is now premeditated murder.

We both know that isn't true, however, it's always unfortunate.

[New haven america]

Have you realised that I refused permission for your God to occupy my mind long, long ago yet?

Irrelevant. Even if the whole world turns crazy enough to dismiss His existence, He would still exist.

So that story isn't a metaphor for humans moving from hunter-gatherer (Abel) state to settle and start farming (Cain)?

Fun fact: Adam could grow wheat. Bread is the first thing he ever ate on Earth.

A bad fall is now premeditated murder.

Throwing a rock at someone's head =/ a bad fall.

Try telling that to the ancient Mesopotamians, Egyptians, Hindus, Shinto, Greeks, Romans, Norse, etc...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Why don't all pro-lifers become Buddhist hermits who refuses to squash even ants? Would be at least consistent.

[New haven america]

Yep, accidently falling down is now premeditated murder.

We both know that isn't true.

Except you yourself said accidently having a bad fall and losing a pregnancy because of it is the same as murder.

[Albrenia]

Why don't all pro-lifers become Buddhist hermits who refuses to squash even ants? Would be at least consistent.

Isn't there one religion which actually does that at its most extreme end? Jainism or somesuch?

[New haven america]

Why don't all pro-lifers become Buddhist hermits who refuses to squash even ants? Would be at least consistent.

Jainism is the specific religion you're looking for, and incorporates a lot of ideas from both Hinduism and Buddhism.

[Polding]

Why don't all pro-lifers become Buddhist hermits who refuses to squash even ants? Would be at least consistent.

I do feel a little sad when I unnecessarily kill ants.

[Sundiata]

Why don't all pro-lifers become Buddhist hermits who refuses to squash even ants? Would be at least consistent.

There's a lot to be said for the dignity of non-human animals, however, human dignity should certainly be our chief concern today.

[A m e n r i a]

Fun fact: Adam could grow wheat. Bread is the first thing he ever ate on Earth.

Uhm, I know it's a bit of a derail but what did he eat while the field was growing or the process of building the tools for making bread was going on?

God knows best. I think he probably held on to his hunger, but that's just me. He kept on asking Gabriel whether he could eat what he had (first it was the seed, then the stalks of wheat, and so on), and it said no until he had the bread. Of course, he could have hunted in the meantime, but still, agriculture is as old as humanity is. Humans were ridiculously tough back then, so my theory of him fasting that long isn't that far off.

[New haven america]

Why don't all pro-lifers become Buddhist hermits who refuses to squash even ants? Would be at least consistent.

There's a lot to be said for the dignity of non-human animals, however, human dignity should certainly be our chief concern today.

Nah, there are 7.5 billion of us and Earth's carrying capacity is only ~9 billion.

We don't need any more.

[Sundiata]

We both know that isn't true.

Except you yourself said accidently having a bad fall and losing a pregnancy because of it is the same as murder.

No.

My friend, an accidental fall is not an abortion.

[New haven america]

Uhm, I know it's a bit of a derail but what did he eat while the field was growing or the process of building the tools for making bread was going on?

God knows best. I think he probably held on to his hunger, but that's just me. He kept on asking Gabriel whether he could eat what he had (first it was the seed, then the stalks of wheat, and so on), and it said no until he had the bread. Of course, he could have hunted in the meantime, but still, agriculture is as old as humanity is. Humans were ridiculously tough back then, so my theory of him fasting that long isn't that far off.

Except he needed to learn how to make the bread, which he wouldn't be able to do if Adam didn't eat the Apple which provided humanity knowledge of the world.

So no, in this case he doesn't know best because he tried his hardest to keep humanity from learning about technology and farming.

[New haven america]

Except you yourself said accidently having a bad fall and losing a pregnancy because of it is the same as murder.

No.

My friend, an accidental fall is not an abortion.

Yep, you did in black and white.

Gaslighting isn't a good look.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

God knows best. I think he probably held on to his hunger, but that's just me. He kept on asking Gabriel whether he could eat what he had (first it was the seed, then the stalks of wheat, and so on), and it said no until he had the bread. Of course, he could have hunted in the meantime, but still, agriculture is as old as humanity is. Humans were ridiculously tough back then, so my theory of him fasting that long isn't that far off.

Except he needed to learn how to make the bread, which he would be able to do if Adam didn't eat the Apple.

So no, in this case he doesn't no best because he tried his hardest to keep humanity from learning about technology and farming.

Almost sounds like this Abrahamitic Deity was trying to keep humanity blissfully unaware of its gilded prison.

[New haven america]

Except he needed to learn how to make the bread, which he would be able to do if Adam didn't eat the Apple.

So no, in this case he doesn't no best because he tried his hardest to keep humanity from learning about technology and farming.

Almost sounds like this Abrahamitic Deity was trying to keep humanity blissfully unaware of its gilded prison.

Yes, that is an accurate summation of the situation.

He mainly created humans because he wasn't happy enough having a bunch of Angels to worship him and wanted more.

[Australian rePublic]

Whatever your views on abortion, this is not the time to legalise it. All the people who couldn't legally abortions will flood the system with requests for abortions, and more undo stress is all that the system needs. Wait till bloody fucking Covid-19 dies down

As far as I'm aware it's a fairly narrow time frame where one can get an abortion under these changes, so I'd honestly be extremely surprised if there would be a flood.

Considering other elective surgeries are being canned here, across the ditch, I think that even tiny changes would be catastrophic

[Sundiata]

No.

My friend, an accidental fall is not an abortion.

Yep, you did in black and white.

Gaslighting isn't a good look.

Abortion and the termination of a pregnancy is always a shame but an accidental fall is not an abortion.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Almost sounds like this Abrahamitic Deity was trying to keep humanity blissfully unaware of its gilded prison.

Yes, that is correct.

He mainly created humans because he wasn't happy enough having a bunch of Angels to worship him as well and wanted more.

Sounds like I was correct in that the Japanese creation myth is more aesthetically pleasing than the tale of a control-freak psychopath.

[New haven america]

Yes, that is correct.

He mainly created humans because he wasn't happy enough having a bunch of Angels to worship him as well and wanted more.

Sounds like I was correct in that the Japanese creation myth is more aesthetically pleasing than the tale of a control-freak psychopath.

A lot of creation myths are nicer than The Abrahamic creation myth.

Though, the Abrahamic Creation Theory did inspire The Big Bang Theory. (Not the show)

[A m e n r i a]

God knows best. I think he probably held on to his hunger, but that's just me. He kept on asking Gabriel whether he could eat what he had (first it was the seed, then the stalks of wheat, and so on), and it said no until he had the bread. Of course, he could have hunted in the meantime, but still, agriculture is as old as humanity is. Humans were ridiculously tough back then, so my theory of him fasting that long isn't that far off.

Except he needed to learn how to make the bread, which he would be able to do if Adam didn't eat the Apple.

So no, in this case he doesn't no best because he tried his hardest to keep humanity from learning about technology and farming.

Gabriel taught him first hand. Also, khuldi isn't exactly an apple. Nobody knows what it is, it being compared to an apple is actually a relatively recent thing.

Seriously though, if God didn't want humans to learn about technology, why would the prophet ask us to?

[New haven america]

Yep, you did in black and white.

Gaslighting isn't a good look.

Abortion and the termination of a pregnancy is always a shame but an accidental fall is not an abortion.

Except you said it was, so stop gaslighting.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

why would the prophet ask us to?

Simple, military necessity.