Abortion Law Reform Passes in New Zealand

[Sundiata]

I already do, in fact, I do both. It's how I live my Catholic faith.

Action speak louder than words and you spend pretty much every abortion thread you go into claiming that it's evil.

Also, since you ignored them the first time: If God didn't want abortions to happen then why did he invent it? How do you know abortions aren't part of God's plan?

Abortion is evil.

That said, my understanding is that our capacity for evil is a consequence of our free will. As for God's ultimate plan, no person can possibly comprehend its totality but we can know certain aspects. If you'd like to continue this conversation let's move to the Christian discussion thread.

Thank you.

[New haven america]

Action speak louder than words and you spend pretty much every abortion thread you go into claiming that it's evil.

Also, since you ignored them the first time: If God didn't want abortions to happen then why did he invent it? How do you know abortions aren't part of God's plan?

1. Abortion is evil.

2. That said, my understanding is that our capacity for evil is a consequence of our free will. 3. As for God's ultimate plan, no person can possibly comprehend its totality but we can know certain aspects. If you'd like to continue this conversation let's move to the Christian discussion thread.

Thank you.

1. How do you know it is? It wasn't invented by Satan, it was mad by God. If he was so deadest on keeping children alive then why didn't he make it so abortions are impossible to perform?
2. Free will doesn't exist when you have an omnipotent being running the show.
3. So then how do you know abortion isn't part of that plan? Well, you don't, and claiming that you do know is a big no-no. You of all people should know that fact.

[Sundiata]

1. Abortion is evil.

2. That said, my understanding is that our capacity for evil is a consequence of our free will. 3. As for God's ultimate plan, no person can possibly comprehend its totality but we can know certain aspects. If you'd like to continue this conversation let's move to the Christian discussion thread.

Thank you.

1. How do you know it is? It wasn't invented by Satan, it was mad by God. If he was so deadest on keeping children alive then why didn't he make it so abortions are impossible to perform?
2. Free will doesn't exist when you have an omnipotent being running the show.
3. So then how do you know abortion isn't part of that plan? Well, you don't, and claiming that you do know is a big no-no. You of all people should know that fact.

My response will resume in the Christian discussion thread.

Thank you

[New haven america]

1. How do you know it is? It wasn't invented by Satan, it was mad by God. If he was so deadest on keeping children alive then why didn't he make it so abortions are impossible to perform?
2. Free will doesn't exist when you have an omnipotent being running the show.
3. So then how do you know abortion isn't part of that plan? Well, you don't, and claiming that you do know is a big no-no. You of all people should know that fact.

My response will resume in the Christian discussion thread.

No it won't because you're using religion to based your argument against abortion in an abortion thread.

If you think abortion is wrong on religious grounds and NZ is making a mistake, prove it here and don't prove it at all and show how flimsy your argument is.

[Sundiata]

My response will resume in the Christian discussion thread.

No it won't because you're using religion to based your argument against abortion in an abortion thread.

If you think abortion is wrong on religious grounds and NZ is making a mistake, prove it here and don't prove it at all and show how flimsy your argument is.

I would like to continue this conversation in earnest but I doubt this is the appropriate location to discuss nuanced theology. Ultimately, my basis for trying to do what's right in this life is God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit whom I love with my whole heart.

Let's carry this portion of our conversation elsewhere. Please.

[New haven america]

No it won't because you're using religion to based your argument against abortion in an abortion thread.

If you think abortion is wrong on religious grounds and NZ is making a mistake, prove it here and don't prove it at all and show how flimsy your argument is.

1. I would like to continue this conversation in earnest but I doubt this is the appropriate location to discuss nuanced theology. Ultimately, my basis for trying to do what's right in this life is God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit whom I love with my whole heart.

2. Let's carry this portion of our conversation elsewhere. Please.

1. Well then how do you know God didn't invent abortion and intend it to be used considering actually aborting a fetus nearly as difficult as it apparently should be.
2. No, this is how it's going to go: You either prove your argument correct with your chosen viewpoint (Religion) or you don't and prove to the rest of us that religion isn't a good reason to oppose abortion.

Your call.

[Sundiata]

1. I would like to continue this conversation in earnest but I doubt this is the appropriate location to discuss nuanced theology. Ultimately, my basis for trying to do what's right in this life is God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit whom I love with my whole heart.

2. Let's carry this portion of our conversation elsewhere. Please.

1. Well then how do you know God didn't invent abortion and intend it to be used considering actually aborting a fetus nearly as difficult as it apparently should be.
2. No, this is how it's going to go: You either prove your argument correct with your chosen viewpoint (Religion) or you don't and prove to the rest of us that religion isn't a good reason to oppose abortion.

Your call.

I answered your question in the Christian discussion thread because the scope of your question exceeds the specific context of abortion law reform in New Zealand.

Thank you.

[Godular]

Could always just advocate for policies that encourage a woman to keep an unplanned pregnancy, rather than just trying to stop her from getting an abortion if/when she decides she cannot afford to carry it to term. Just sayin’

I already do.

So, no trying to get it banned then, hmm?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Can we talk about how 68,000 women were dying yearly from unsafe abortion in 2009? Can we talk about how these are 68,000 deaths/a too many?

[Sundiata]

I already do.

So, no trying to get it banned then, hmm?

No, abortion should certainly be banned, however, our responsibility to one another extends further than that. We have to eliminate the conditions that create incentives for it in the first place.

In the economic sphere, that ultimately means balancing wealth creation with wealth distribution.

[Meikaii]

Now if only America could get its shit together.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So, no trying to get it banned then, hmm?

No, abortion should certainly be banned,

Are you having fun with indirectly murdering 50,000 women a year yet?

[Major-Tom]

I personally am generally against abortion as a concept, but I'm firmly Pro-Choice in the sense that I recognize it's not my choice nor really should there be stringent laws against abortion.

I think generally abortion rates correlate highly with a number of socio-economic factors, and it's unfortunate. Having a country with a solid social safety net and adequate healthcare, etc etc, does more to lessen the number of non-emergency abortions than would a government ban or extra restrictions.

So, in short, I'm supportive of the abortion law reform.

[Sundiata]

No, abortion should certainly be banned,

Are you having fun with indirectly murdering 50,000 women a year yet?

Excuse me?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Are you having fun with indirectly murdering 50,000 women a year yet?

Excuse me?

68,000 women per year were dying of unsafe abortions back in 2009. It could be 0.

[Sundiata]

Excuse me?

68,000 women per year were dying of unsafe abortions back in 2009. It could be 0.

In 2016 alone, the CDC reported 623,471 abortions. It could be 0.

Abortion is murder.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

68,000 women per year were dying of unsafe abortions back in 2009. It could be 0.

In 2016 alone, the CDC reported 623,471 abortions. It could be 0.

Abortion is murder.

Are you seriously trying to compete with actual dying people in a gruesome Death Olympics?

[New haven america]

1. Well then how do you know God didn't invent abortion and intend it to be used considering actually aborting a fetus nearly as difficult as it apparently should be.
2. No, this is how it's going to go: You either prove your argument correct with your chosen viewpoint (Religion) or you don't and prove to the rest of us that religion isn't a good reason to oppose abortion.

Your call.

I answered your question in the Christian discussion thread because the scope of your question exceeds the specific context of abortion law reform in New Zealand.

Thank you.

Got it, so you admit that religion isn't a good argument against abortion.

Thank you~

[New haven america]

Now if only America could get its shit together.

America did get it's shit together in the 60's.

And then states realized that they couldn't outright ban it, but limit it enough to basically be completely ineffective.

[Sundiata]

In 2016 alone, the CDC reported 623,471 abortions. It could be 0.

Abortion is murder.

Are you seriously trying to compete with actual dying people in a gruesome Death Olympics?

I'm trying to express the magnitude of our failure toward these dying people, including the unborn.

[The Alma Mater]

Are you seriously trying to compete with actual dying people in a gruesome Death Olympics?

I'm trying to express the magnitude of our failure toward these dying people, including the unborn.

Do the unborn give a damn ?

[New haven america]

Are you seriously trying to compete with actual dying people in a gruesome Death Olympics?

I'm trying to express the magnitude of our failure toward these dying people, including the unborn.

How do you know it's not part of God's plan for them?

After all, he has no problem killing people who exist outside of the womb, why would he give a shit about fetuses?

[Polding]

In 2016 alone, the CDC reported 623,471 abortions. It could be 0.

Abortion is murder.

Are you seriously trying to compete with actual dying people in a gruesome Death Olympics?

You can minimise the deaths in both cases by never conducting abortions.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Are you seriously trying to compete with actual dying people in a gruesome Death Olympics?

You can minimise the deaths in both cases by never conducting abortions.

The Sun would sooner explode by an Act of God than that happening.

[Sundiata]

Are you seriously trying to compete with actual dying people in a gruesome Death Olympics?

You can minimise the deaths in both cases by never conducting abortions.

And also treating women and girls with dignity.